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Post by papadopoulos on Mar 27, 2024 8:02:31 GMT -4
I guess DSE hasn't been doing the best. Obviously hopefully the 2 teams survive, and I don't think that the league will shut them down on April 2nd, but it's a very real possibility that they operate them until the end of the season and then fold.
If I recall correctly, there was a businessman looking to move the Armada to Trois-Rivières. I wonder if they revisit that, or maybe the Titan or expansion should the worst come to pass?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2024 8:26:19 GMT -4
ECHL sells itself as a feeder league to the NHL but most guys that play there never get to play a single game. It's good hockey, just gets lost with junior and AHL. Most ECHL guys play a few years then go to Europe for bigger $$$.
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Post by jimmy on Mar 27, 2024 8:37:28 GMT -4
Would be a nice goodwill gesture if the Habs and Leafs could step in and foot the cost to the end of the season - likely wouldn’t be that much money. However I am not an expert in corporate bankruptcy rules, so it is possible that it would not be so simple even if they wanted to.
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Post by jimmy on Mar 27, 2024 8:38:20 GMT -4
I guess DSE hasn't been doing the best. Obviously hopefully the 2 teams survive, and I don't think that the league will shut them down on April 2nd, but it's a very real possibility that they operate them until the end of the season and then fold. If I recall correctly, there was a businessman looking to move the Armada to Trois-Rivières. I wonder if they revisit that, or maybe the Titan or expansion should the worst come to pass? I would think the Q would be quickly interested in the Trois Rivières market if it opened up.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 27, 2024 8:42:39 GMT -4
ECHL sells itself as a feeder league to the NHL but most guys that play there never get to play a single game. It's good hockey, just gets lost with junior and AHL. Most ECHL guys play a few years then go to Europe for bigger $$$. Its all about perspective and context. Saying its "good hockey" needs both things added to it. What is it good in relation to? High school? The british pro league? Certainly not the top few pro leagues in the world. Its 3rd tier in North America. Definitely behind the KHL and likely the Swiss and Swedish pro leagues. The hockey crowd just can't bring itself to call the ECHL what it is. Its the bottom of the pro rung. Its a certain type of player going to succeed from there. But saying its a feeder system is like saying the CFL feeds the NFL. It develops some players but its not like there's any intent for that league to be what produces players for the higher league, its almost accidental simply because any player that is playing can get better when they do it every day and there's a 0% chance any pro draft pick with high expectations gets purposely developed in that league. A group of 20 ex-junior players playing pro hockey doesn't make it good hockey. But thats the default label we give it while we mock the MLB, NFL, and NBA equivalents.
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Post by MikeC on Mar 27, 2024 10:00:29 GMT -4
ECHL sells itself as a feeder league to the NHL but most guys that play there never get to play a single game. It's good hockey, just gets lost with junior and AHL. Most ECHL guys play a few years then go to Europe for bigger $$$. Its all about perspective and context. Saying its "good hockey" needs both things added to it. What is it good in relation to? High school? The british pro league? Certainly not the top few pro leagues in the world. Its 3rd tier in North America. Definitely behind the KHL and likely the Swiss and Swedish pro leagues. The hockey crowd just can't bring itself to call the ECHL what it is. Its the bottom of the pro rung. Its a certain type of player going to succeed from there. But saying its a feeder system is like saying the CFL feeds the NFL. It develops some players but its not like there's any intent for that league to be what produces players for the higher league, its almost accidental simply because any player that is playing can get better when they do it every day and there's a 0% chance any pro draft pick with high expectations gets purposely developed in that league. A group of 20 ex-junior players playing pro hockey doesn't make it good hockey. But thats the default label we give it while we mock the MLB, NFL, and NBA equivalents. I'd add even more context: It's the bottom of the 'NHL affiliated' pro rung. It's still much better than the SPHL or the FPHL. Almost 10% of the players on NHL opening day rosters this year played in the ECHL. echl.com/news/2023/10/echl-has-72-former-players-on-nhl-opening-day-rosters
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 27, 2024 10:03:28 GMT -4
Its all about perspective and context. Saying its "good hockey" needs both things added to it. What is it good in relation to? High school? The british pro league? Certainly not the top few pro leagues in the world. Its 3rd tier in North America. Definitely behind the KHL and likely the Swiss and Swedish pro leagues. The hockey crowd just can't bring itself to call the ECHL what it is. Its the bottom of the pro rung. Its a certain type of player going to succeed from there. But saying its a feeder system is like saying the CFL feeds the NFL. It develops some players but its not like there's any intent for that league to be what produces players for the higher league, its almost accidental simply because any player that is playing can get better when they do it every day and there's a 0% chance any pro draft pick with high expectations gets purposely developed in that league. A group of 20 ex-junior players playing pro hockey doesn't make it good hockey. But thats the default label we give it while we mock the MLB, NFL, and NBA equivalents. I'd add even more context: It's the bottom of the 'NHL affiliated' pro rung. It's still much better than the SPHL or the FPHL. Almost 10% of the players on NHL opening day rosters this year played in the ECHL. echl.com/news/2023/10/echl-has-72-former-players-on-nhl-opening-day-rostersMost of them only played a handful of games. Very few players will play a full ECHL season and then end up in the NHL.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 27, 2024 10:24:30 GMT -4
Most of them only played a handful of games. Very few players will play a full ECHL season and then end up in the NHL. Its a way to get goaltenders work and develop bottom 6 grinders. Even with the NHL and AHL if you have multiple good young goaltenders not quite NHL ready the ECHL gives you a chance to get them game action while keeping control of their development.
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Post by jimmy on Mar 27, 2024 11:24:13 GMT -4
Most of them only played a handful of games. Very few players will play a full ECHL season and then end up in the NHL. Its a way to get goaltenders work and develop bottom 6 grinders. Even with the NHL and AHL if you have multiple good young goaltenders not quite NHL ready the ECHL gives you a chance to get them game action while keeping control of their development. It definitely seems to be a more viable NHL development path for goalies than it does for skaters.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 27, 2024 11:39:59 GMT -4
Its a way to get goaltenders work and develop bottom 6 grinders. Even with the NHL and AHL if you have multiple good young goaltenders not quite NHL ready the ECHL gives you a chance to get them game action while keeping control of their development. It definitely seems to be a more viable NHL development path for goalies than it does for skaters. Agree. Simply saying 10% isnt a great picture. Of that 10% is probably 0% of the top offensive talent in the NHL. You're not getting anything resembling a high end offensive talent at that level in that 10%. Its not like at this level where in whatever our % is we see future hall of famers and #1 overall draft picks in the mix.
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Post by papadopoulos on Apr 2, 2024 12:58:15 GMT -4
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Post by elementz on Apr 2, 2024 14:27:54 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 2, 2024 14:41:53 GMT -4
There's still no news on whether the teams folded. Can't believe both NHL parent teams wouldn't jump in to prevent them from folding but the fact this is how the ownership is structured says a lot about how that league is being run when this is even a possibility.
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Post by papadopoulos on Apr 2, 2024 16:53:30 GMT -4
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Post by jimmy on Apr 2, 2024 17:29:29 GMT -4
There's still no news on whether the teams folded. Can't believe both NHL parent teams wouldn't jump in to prevent them from folding but the fact this is how the ownership is structured says a lot about how that league is being run when this is even a possibility. I could see the NHL teams being willing to foot the bill for the remainder of the season to keep them alive, but perhaps not willing to cover the tab for past debts? Sounds like creditors forced their hand by calling the debts.
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