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Post by countryboy on Apr 7, 2024 18:57:29 GMT -4
Bradly Nadeau signed his entry level deal with Carolina today. Because he was drafted out of Jr A he ja AHL eligible for 24-25 as a 19 y/o.
Rimouski owns his QMJHL rights. Will he be joining the Memorial Cup host team?
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Apr 7, 2024 20:00:48 GMT -4
It’s more likely he plays AHL than Q next year but if he did struggle, it’d be a HUGE gain for them
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Post by sc74 on Apr 7, 2024 20:51:04 GMT -4
It’s more likely he plays AHL than Q next year but if he did struggle, it’d be a HUGE gain for them Carolina doesn’t have a AHL club so they have to rely on other organizations to find roster spots for their players. They didn’t find one for Robidas who played in the ECHL. Although Nadeau did really well with Maine so I doubt he’d go backwards in the Q.
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Post by countryboy on Apr 7, 2024 20:51:47 GMT -4
Looks like they are burning year 1 of the entry level deal this year, 23-24. Any other NHL team would put him in the AHL right away….but Carolina does not have an AHL affiliate. Their AHL prospects are scattered around the AHL and ECHL.
Maybe they have some cap space to shoehorn him onto the NHL roster for now, but he likely joins the Canes once the playoffs start to be part of their taxi squad.
If I were Rimouski I’d be working hard to show the Canes that they are the optimal landing spot.
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Post by sc74 on Apr 7, 2024 21:09:30 GMT -4
Looks like they are burning year 1 of the entry level deal this year, 23-24. Any other NHL team would put him in the AHL right away….but Carolina does not have an AHL affiliate. Their AHL prospects are scattered around the AHL and ECHL. Maybe they have some cap space to shoehorn him onto the NHL roster for now, but he likely joins the Canes once the playoffs start to be part of their taxi squad. If I were Rimouski I’d be working hard to show the Canes that they are the optimal landing spot. Nadeau has never been interested in the QMJHL. I doubt he would have signed if the plan is to send him to the Q.
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Apr 7, 2024 21:37:16 GMT -4
It’s more likely he plays AHL than Q next year but if he did struggle, it’d be a HUGE gain for them Carolina doesn’t have a AHL club so they have to rely on other organizations to find roster spots for their players. They didn’t find one for Robidas who played in the ECHL. Although Nadeau did really well with Maine so I doubt he’d go backwards in the Q. That’s also true, either way the odds of him playing in the Q are 0.0001%
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Post by countryboy on Apr 7, 2024 21:50:15 GMT -4
One aspect of the CBA that I'm not familiar with is this.... In the event Carolina assigns him to the QMJHL for the 24-25 season, will his contract slide?
If he were an 18 y/o player drafted out of major junior, unless he plays in the NHL, he's assigned to junior at either 18 or 19 and his contract "slides". Year 1 of his three year entry level deal does not kick in until he is 20.
But since he was drafted out of the BCHL and went to college, the rules may be different. If the Canes can slide his contract by sending him to junior, this might be in their interest. The decision should be made on best development, but if they can send him to junior in 24-25, then turn him pro in 25-26, then the entry level deal does not kick until 25-26.... that has long term impacts on things like qualifying offers, waiver eligibility, and when he eventually would become a UFA in the NHL. I cannot think right off of another example of a guy who has signed his ELC out of college and then ended up playing in major junior to investigate if their contract "slid".
Carolina also signed Scott Morrow earlier this week. He finished his 3rd year at UMass Amherst and they are burning year one of his deal right now. He's on the NHL roster right now, but hasn't played a game. It will be interesting to see if they fine an AHL spot for him or if they just keep his salary as part of their NHL roster until the end of the season.
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Post by countryboy on Apr 7, 2024 22:27:11 GMT -4
Now that he’s signed the contract, his best interest is to go wherever Carolina tells him to go, including the QMJHL. Now, even with that in mind, he likely doesn’t sign so hastily with the Canes and end his pro career without having a clear idea that his next step is pro hockey rather than the Q. If he wasn’t interested in the Q and felt they might send him there, then he just says “no thanks” to the contract offer and continues his college career at least until he has aged out of junior hockey. Looks like they are burning year 1 of the entry level deal this year, 23-24. Any other NHL team would put him in the AHL right away….but Carolina does not have an AHL affiliate. Their AHL prospects are scattered around the AHL and ECHL. Maybe they have some cap space to shoehorn him onto the NHL roster for now, but he likely joins the Canes once the playoffs start to be part of their taxi squad. If I were Rimouski I’d be working hard to show the Canes that they are the optimal landing spot. Nadeau has never been interested in the QMJHL. I doubt he would have signed if the plan is to send him to the Q.
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Post by sc74 on Apr 8, 2024 6:31:35 GMT -4
One aspect of the CBA that I'm not familiar with is this.... In the event Carolina assigns him to the QMJHL for the 24-25 season, will his contract slide? If he were an 18 y/o player drafted out of major junior, unless he plays in the NHL, he's assigned to junior at either 18 or 19 and his contract "slides". Year 1 of his three year entry level deal does not kick in until he is 20. But since he was drafted out of the BCHL and went to college, the rules may be different. If the Canes can slide his contract by sending him to junior, this might be in their interest. The decision should be made on best development, but if they can send him to junior in 24-25, then turn him pro in 25-26, then the entry level deal does not kick until 25-26.... that has long term impacts on things like qualifying offers, waiver eligibility, and when he eventually would become a UFA in the NHL. I cannot think right off of another example of a guy who has signed his ELC out of college and then ended up playing in major junior to investigate if their contract "slid". Carolina also signed Scott Morrow earlier this week. He finished his 3rd year at UMass Amherst and they are burning year one of his deal right now. He's on the NHL roster right now, but hasn't played a game. It will be interesting to see if they fine an AHL spot for him or if they just keep his salary as part of their NHL roster until the end of the season. I believe that if they burn a year now even if they send him to the Q next season his contract doesn’t slide. But if they don’t burn a year now his contract will slide if they send him to the Q.
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Post by fanofthegame on Apr 8, 2024 8:10:45 GMT -4
All signs point to Carolina having their own AHL team next season. They are signing guys, they need to fill that roster. I would not be surprised if his brother ends up signing this summer as well.
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Post by countryboy on Apr 8, 2024 9:31:59 GMT -4
We are getting into real specifics of the CBA now....so you'd almost have to work at Cap Friendly and/or be a lawyer to get to the bottom of all of this. Remember when the Pens kept Daniel Sprong in the NHL at 18 for half a season and sent him back to junior? The next year at 19 he was either injured or in junior for basically the entire season, but it was year 2 on his entry level deal. When he was 20 and playing in the minors it was year 3/3 of his entry level deal but everyone else his age was on year 1. The case most simlilar to Nadeau I can think of from the Quebec league is that of Stefan Matteau when he was drafted. He was drafted out of the US National Development team at 18 in 2012. The Devils signed him to his ELC that summer, making him ineligible for college, but since he was drafted out of the USHL he was pro eligible right away. Matteau played a bit in the NHL in 12-13 and was eventually sent to the Armada during his 18 y/o season. At 19 and 20 he was in the AHL and those three seasons burned his entry level deal. This was prior to the last lockout so it's entirely possible the CBA has changed, but my feeling is that Nadeau's contract is likely burning years and not subject to slide.... so there's no contract advantage for the Canes to have him in junior... and like has been mentioned, they will have an AHL team next year they will look to populate. Rimouski would have to work hard to convince everyone that they have the best spot for him. He'd be a big star in the league, plus being from northern NB would basically be a local player for the Oceanic. One aspect of the CBA that I'm not familiar with is this.... In the event Carolina assigns him to the QMJHL for the 24-25 season, will his contract slide? If he were an 18 y/o player drafted out of major junior, unless he plays in the NHL, he's assigned to junior at either 18 or 19 and his contract "slides". Year 1 of his three year entry level deal does not kick in until he is 20. But since he was drafted out of the BCHL and went to college, the rules may be different. If the Canes can slide his contract by sending him to junior, this might be in their interest. The decision should be made on best development, but if they can send him to junior in 24-25, then turn him pro in 25-26, then the entry level deal does not kick until 25-26.... that has long term impacts on things like qualifying offers, waiver eligibility, and when he eventually would become a UFA in the NHL. I cannot think right off of another example of a guy who has signed his ELC out of college and then ended up playing in major junior to investigate if their contract "slid". Carolina also signed Scott Morrow earlier this week. He finished his 3rd year at UMass Amherst and they are burning year one of his deal right now. He's on the NHL roster right now, but hasn't played a game. It will be interesting to see if they fine an AHL spot for him or if they just keep his salary as part of their NHL roster until the end of the season. I believe that if they burn a year now even if they send him to the Q next season his contract doesn’t slide. But if they don’t burn a year now his contract will slide if they send him to the Q.
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Post by MikeC on Apr 8, 2024 14:09:30 GMT -4
Jiri Kulich was a 2022 1st round pick by Buffalo out of Czechia. He has played the last 2 seasons (his 18 and 19 year old seasons) in the AHL. Cap Friendly shows his contract as sliding.
I know, an NCAA example would be better, but I can't easily find a list of the ages of players in the AHL.
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Post by scotiahockey on Apr 9, 2024 12:39:02 GMT -4
As long as he doesn’t play 10 games in the NHL this year upcoming year (24/25), his contract is going to slide.
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 9, 2024 12:50:28 GMT -4
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Post by davo1997 on Apr 9, 2024 15:39:03 GMT -4
I dont know if Nadeau plays AHL next season lots of guys in carolinas system looking for a shot at the bigger clubs. wouldnt surprise me if he does but my guess is he doesnt
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