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Post by bjindaho on Jul 28, 2008 14:25:28 GMT -4
The heart to turn when he saw David Stich coming...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 28, 2008 14:28:48 GMT -4
Outside looking in here but I am surprise that there is so much discussion that Brenton shouldn't be back on the Wildcats this season. To me he exibits exactly what you want to bring back. He is a great skater, tremendous character and work ethic and the type of player who is a good role model for all that young high end talent you have. Of course he isn't a high end offensive player but is that even a role that you need him to fill? Looking at your roster your top 9 are roughly: Bidduke, Cameron, Eagles, Sill, Lessard, Brannon, Brown, MacAusland, Formier. And you have several 16/17 yr olds who will likely make the team. But wouldn't Brenton be a good to play 4th line / penatly kill where he doesn't need to be an offensive presence but instead contribute with his solid play and to provide some experience/stability for the rest of that 4th line. That way the rest of the 4th line can be filled with 16/17 yr old rookies if needed. To me the question shouldn't be should Brenton return it is will he return for that 4th line role? And if I were a wildcat fan I would be hoping he does. Just like when they kept Morehouse when his production on the team was minimal. Morehouse was last year, they didn't cut any good prospects to keep him because they had very few of them, plus he brings a crash banging side that Brenton does not have...plus he played 3rd line(2nd after the Mangan and Marquardt trades) not 4th line.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 28, 2008 14:29:59 GMT -4
You need experience in your regular forwards, not on the 4th line...and especially not on a rebuilding team. On a team like the Cats(around .500 at best next year), it makes no sense to cut a young player and keep a 19 year old with not much upside. The Wildcats kept Morehouse didn't they. Physical play and dumb penalties is what he brought..... along with leadership on a team that was rebuilding for 2 years. As I said in my last post, he was not 4th line and he didn't take the place of a young prospect on the roster.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Jul 29, 2008 6:55:27 GMT -4
You need experience in your regular forwards, not on the 4th line...and especially not on a rebuilding team. On a team like the Cats(around .500 at best next year), it makes no sense to cut a young player and keep a 19 year old with not much upside. Normally I would agree with Billy that 4th line role is better suited for players younger than 19 but in this case Moncton doesn't really have any experienced 17 or 18 yr olds just a lot of rookie 16 & 17 yr olds. So without Brenton you will end up with a line of Cisse-Bissonnette-Roski as an all young rookie line which opposing coaches would target in matchups so they would never play. And keeping Brenton doesn't mean you cut any of those player he is simply an experienced player to stablize that line and the 4 rookies share 2 regular spots. Then if after 30 games they show they can handle it Brenton could be moved. We did something similar last season with Paynter primarily playing with rookies MacLean, CoonCome and DesRoches. Just offering a different opinion. And if things don't work out for Brenton in Moncton I am sure that he will get selected on waivers.
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Post by dar on Jul 29, 2008 8:11:16 GMT -4
Two years ago we had an all-rookie line of Lessard-Lepage-Labelle and they handled themselves pretty good.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 29, 2008 8:20:13 GMT -4
You need experience in your regular forwards, not on the 4th line...and especially not on a rebuilding team. On a team like the Cats(around .500 at best next year), it makes no sense to cut a young player and keep a 19 year old with not much upside. Normally I would agree with Billy that 4th line role is better suited for players younger than 19 but in this case Moncton doesn't really have any experienced 17 or 18 yr olds just a lot of rookie 16 & 17 yr olds. So without Brenton you will end up with a line of Cisse-Bissonnette-Roski as an all young rookie line which opposing coaches would target in matchups so they would never play. And keeping Brenton doesn't mean you cut any of those player he is simply an experienced player to stablize that line and the 4 rookies share 2 regular spots. Then if after 30 games they show they can handle it Brenton could be moved. We did something similar last season with Paynter primarily playing with rookies MacLean, CoonCome and DesRoches. Just offering a different opinion. And if things don't work out for Brenton in Moncton I am sure that he will get selected on waivers. Depends on which rookies are out there ... Cisse, if he were to report, is supposed to be quite advanced physically for his age ... so he probably would be solid on a 4th line and may push for top 9 ice time as the year goes on. Roski and Noseworthy are 17 year olds who are reputed to be grinder types ... probably can play right away on a 4th, or maybe even a 3rd line. Bissonette and O'Brien, on the other hand, are both 16 year old kids who are supposed to be offensive players in the future - they likely won't thrive in a 3rd or 4th line role this year. I think if Brenton has a good camp he will be on the team ... they won't want to lose him on waivers and he won't have much trade value. But I think if he is on the team, another vet may go ... could be Stephens (needs to have a good camp to stick IMO), could be Biduke (Flynn may decide Eastman fills a need more), could be Cameron or Lessard (if they show up to camp and are unimpressive, I can see either of them being dealt for a pick, especially if Biduke, Brenton and Stephens are outplaying them).
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Post by IslandersHKY on Jul 29, 2008 8:31:48 GMT -4
Two years ago we had an all-rookie line of Lessard-Lepage-Labelle and they handled themselves pretty good. Two years agao Labelle was 18, Lessard was 17 & Lepage was 17. That would be different than a line of 16 yr old rookies with maybe 1 17 yr old rookie. But Jimmy makes a good point if Roski & Noseworthy are solid grinder type 17 yr olds then maybe it will be fine especially if Cisse plays strong. I just thought it isn't really a good way to develop your young rookies not to surround then with a little experience to support them.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 29, 2008 8:48:44 GMT -4
Two years ago we had an all-rookie line of Lessard-Lepage-Labelle and they handled themselves pretty good. Two years agao Labelle was 18, Lessard was 17 & Lepage was 17. That would be different than a line of 16 yr old rookies with maybe 1 17 yr old rookie. But Jimmy makes a good point if Roski & Noseworthy are solid grinder type 17 yr olds then maybe it will be fine especially if Cisse plays strong. I just thought it isn't really a good way to develop your young rookies not to surround then with a little experience to support them. They'll be well surrounded, it may not be on the same line...but a 4th line doesn't have the responsibilities of a 1st or 2nd. A 19 year old on the 4th is always a bad idea IMHO.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 29, 2008 8:55:20 GMT -4
Two years agao Labelle was 18, Lessard was 17 & Lepage was 17. That would be different than a line of 16 yr old rookies with maybe 1 17 yr old rookie. But Jimmy makes a good point if Roski & Noseworthy are solid grinder type 17 yr olds then maybe it will be fine especially if Cisse plays strong. I just thought it isn't really a good way to develop your young rookies not to surround then with a little experience to support them. They'll be well surrounded, it may not be on the same line...but a 4th line doesn't have the responsibilities of a 1st or 2nd. A 19 year old on the 4th is always a bad idea IMHO. A 19 year old on the 4th is okay if you are a contender, providing it is a kid who has the proper character and isn't going to be a distraction ... a championship team that is hoping to go all the way to the Mem Cup is going to need it's 4th line to contribute once in a while, and also the depth is nice to have in case of an injury.
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Post by mongoose on Jul 29, 2008 10:44:13 GMT -4
What you all should be thinking about, is why haven't the Cats trade Cameron. He had a terrible season last year. Getting drafted went to his head and most the of the time, he looked like he was just floating. If not trade him, put HIM on the forth line to regain a work ethic.
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Post by Optimus Reim on Jul 29, 2008 11:07:38 GMT -4
Why would we trade Cameron at this point. His value is obviously low after the season he had last year. But I think he will snap out of it and help this team. Obviously someone saw something in him to be drafted but now its up to him to bounce back. This is when you see what kind of character and grit the players will show. I can't wait to see if he can vcome back better and stronger than last year. If by X mas he's in the same position than rethink it then but noe is the wrong time to move him. IMO
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 29, 2008 22:41:18 GMT -4
What you all should be thinking about, is why haven't the Cats trade Cameron. He had a terrible season last year. Getting drafted went to his head and most the of the time, he looked like he was just floating. If not trade him, put HIM on the forth line to regain a work ethic. They didn't even have a #2 center, pretty hard to trade Cameron when you don't even have somebody to step in to his spot. I agree he needs to play a lot better and be pushed, the Cats didn't ahve the depth to afford trading him.
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