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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 16, 2008 9:22:46 GMT -4
It was real good reading, the one about the 10 interesting stories to follow.
The part about players breaking out and 19 year olds possibly being moved are 2 of the ones talked about on here.
Brannon and Stephens, if they can keep up some semblance of the offense they have provided so far, should help make the team more than a 1 line team it could be. Cameron, Brown and MacAusland taking the proverbial "next step" would also greatly boost the offense.
Thoughs?
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Sept 16, 2008 9:38:33 GMT -4
It was real good reading, the one about the 10 interesting stories to follow. The part about players breaking out and 19 year olds possibly being moved are 2 of the ones talked about on here. Brannon and Stephens, if they can keep up some semblance of the offense they have provided so far, should help make the team more than a 1 line team it could be. Cameron, Brown and MacAusland taking the proverbial "next step" would also greatly boost the offense. Thoughs? Are you saying that some of the 19 year olds might be moved? It doesn't make sense to talk about it now that trading is halted till Christmas. Flynn doesn't usually play anyone who isn't in the long term cards and that would mean sitting either Lessard, Cameron, Brannon or Boyle. It doesn't make any sense to even hint at it at this early point. |
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Post by 1fan on Sept 16, 2008 9:54:40 GMT -4
It was real good reading, the one about the 10 interesting stories to follow. The part about players breaking out and 19 year olds possibly being moved are 2 of the ones talked about on here. Brannon and Stephens, if they can keep up some semblance of the offense they have provided so far, should help make the team more than a 1 line team it could be. Cameron, Brown and MacAusland taking the proverbial "next step" would also greatly boost the offense. Thoughs? Are you saying that some of the 19 year olds might be moved? It doesn't make sense to talk about it now that trading is halted till Christmas. Flynn doesn't usually play anyone who isn't in the long term cards and that would mean sitting either Lessard, Cameron, Brannon or Boyle. It doesn't make any sense to even hint at it at this early point. Keep in mind it's Hodge talking about stories to follow including what happens to the 19 year olds, not the coach. I think he's bang on in mentioning that it's a story to follow for the season....it does make sense to talk about it now in terms of following their progression individually and as a team. What happens to the 19 year olds does depend on how they play ( individually and as a team) from now until Christmas. I think Hodge is pointing out some great story lines that make this a particularly interesting year. Watching players develop and watching the GM/coach decide what moves to make/not make is the best part of junior hockey. I agree with Carey that this type of article makes for great reading and let's fans develop a better knowledge of their team. Ask any fans and they'll agree that things are getting a lot more interesting from here on in for the next couple of years. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 16, 2008 10:04:45 GMT -4
It was real good reading, the one about the 10 interesting stories to follow. The part about players breaking out and 19 year olds possibly being moved are 2 of the ones talked about on here. Brannon and Stephens, if they can keep up some semblance of the offense they have provided so far, should help make the team more than a 1 line team it could be. Cameron, Brown and MacAusland taking the proverbial "next step" would also greatly boost the offense. Thoughs? Are you saying that some of the 19 year olds might be moved? It doesn't make sense to talk about it now that trading is halted till Christmas. Flynn doesn't usually play anyone who isn't in the long term cards and that would mean sitting either Lessard, Cameron, Brannon or Boyle. It doesn't make any sense to even hint at it at this early point. I don't think you are understanding the process. At midseason, teams that are not contenders usually look at their 19 year olds(and 20's also) to see which will be among their 20's the next year. If a guy like Cameron is going to sign with Detroit, maybe he gets moved if the return is good. If a guy like Boyle can get you a 3rd or decent young player from a contender needing depth, maybe you move him...same goes for Lessard and Brannon depending on how well they are playing. If the Cats are close enough to make a pretty good playoff run, then they probably don't move those 19 year olds. |
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Post by catnut on Sept 16, 2008 10:08:31 GMT -4
It was real good reading, the one about the 10 interesting stories to follow. The part about players breaking out and 19 year olds possibly being moved are 2 of the ones talked about on here. Brannon and Stephens, if they can keep up some semblance of the offense they have provided so far, should help make the team more than a 1 line team it could be. Cameron, Brown and MacAusland taking the proverbial "next step" would also greatly boost the offense. Thoughs? Are you saying that some of the 19 year olds might be moved? It doesn't make sense to talk about it now that trading is halted till Christmas. Flynn doesn't usually play anyone who isn't in the long term cards and that would mean sitting either Lessard, Cameron, Brannon or Boyle. It doesn't make any sense to even hint at it at this early point. He played Marquardt, Mangan all last fall even though they were not in the long term plans. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Sept 16, 2008 10:53:04 GMT -4
I understand the positioning of the players and extracting the value out of them in trades if you can and if they don't fit into plans in the future, my point is that you don't discuss this openly. Neither Mangan or Marquardt were discussed although it was widely understood that Marquardt would be probably traded. During the Christmas break last year Flynn mentioned that all the Wildcats were open for trade if the price was right but he didn't do it until the Christmas break had started.
How demotivating would it be for Flynn to openly talk about you being traded at Christmas in the first week of the year. If Hodge is simply armchair GMing like we all do fine but if he is reporting the thoughts of Flynn than its not. Also this team is surprising us all so far and what Cameron are we going to see return from camp? I'd say first of December is a better time to evaluate and right now its too early.
I was talking to Sills and I asked if he thought he would be traded at Christmas and his expression told me he would be crushed if that happened even though it would provide him a great stage and a real chance to go to the Mem Cup. These are young guys who don't always understand the messy business or are even just so loyal that they put what would be personaly best for them behind them. That Sills is a great kid and a great Captain.
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Post by catnut on Sept 16, 2008 11:11:24 GMT -4
Hodge just mentioned things to watch this year, it was more like what they would do: either trade some picks to improve or trade vets also to improve. He just mentioned possible scenarios, there was no mention of Flynn.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 16, 2008 11:20:22 GMT -4
I was talking to Sills ... Did he correct you on the proper spelling or pronounciation of his name ? S-I-L-L ... Sill |
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Post by 1fan on Sept 16, 2008 11:57:17 GMT -4
I was talking to Sills ... Did he correct you on the proper spelling or pronounciation of his name ? S-I-L-L ... Sill Sills is hockey for Sill...same as Barbs is hockey for Barberio  |
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Post by jimmy on Sept 16, 2008 12:22:09 GMT -4
Hodge just mentioned things to watch this year, it was more like what they would do: either trade some picks to improve or trade vets also to improve. He just mentioned possible scenarios, there was no mention of Flynn. Flynn has put us in a very enviable position from an organizational depth perspective ... we have plenty of surplus picks and prospects we could deal for an impact player of two at Xmas if we think we can go for it ... we also have surplus 19 year olds, so if we don't think we can make a run this year, we can move a couple at Xmas for a much better return than we would get for them as extra 20s next summer - and this year's team may not even suffer much if at all because we have so many good young prospects knocking at the door for increased ice time. If we have a good first half, I can see us being buyers at Xmas ... if we are smart we can set up to contend the next couple of years ... adding more picks isn't going to help us much at this point, as we will only end up having to cut good players later - we have plenty of picks already for 2009, some good prospects from the 2008 draft already in the system. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Sept 16, 2008 12:35:33 GMT -4
Did he correct you on the proper spelling or pronounciation of his name ? S-I-L-L ... Sill Sills is hockey for Sill...same as Barbs is hockey for Barberio Yeah, its not like I said Silly or Barby. |
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Post by tal on Sept 16, 2008 13:05:16 GMT -4
Hodge just mentioned things to watch this year, it was more like what they would do: either trade some picks to improve or trade vets also to improve. He just mentioned possible scenarios, there was no mention of Flynn. Flynn has put us in a very enviable position from an organizational depth perspective ... we have plenty of surplus picks and prospects we could deal for an impact player of two at Xmas if we think we can go for it ... we also have surplus 19 year olds, so if we don't think we can make a run this year, we can move a couple at Xmas for a much better return than we would get for them as extra 20s next summer - and this year's team may not even suffer much if at all because we have so many good young prospects knocking at the door for increased ice time. If we have a good first half, I can see us being buyers at Xmas ... if we are smart we can set up to contend the next couple of years ... adding more picks isn't going to help us much at this point, as we will only end up having to cut good players later - we have plenty of picks already for 2009, some good prospects from the 2008 draft already in the system. Those 2009 picks, beyond the two in the 1st round, will have a tough time cracking the lineup next year anyway. By my count, we stand to lose 6 players from this years' roster - Eagles, Biduke and Sill (20s), and 3 of the 19yos. (I'm not counting Voynov who isn't here yet). Then, we have Downe, Noseworthy, Daoust, O'Brien, Martin and Cadet waiting to come up - 4 of those 6 will likely make the team next year. Add the 2 2009 1st rounders, and that's a full roster. If Cisse decides to come, that bumps one of the other youngers (I suspect). Maybe a 19yo will be traded for a 2010 pick plus a young player, but the offer would have to be good. The Cats are in an enviable position of being able to demand a lot for anyone another team is interested in. If Voynov is as good as they say, he might be the most sought-after asset (assuming he reports to Moncton, of course). |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 16, 2008 13:22:34 GMT -4
Flynn has put us in a very enviable position from an organizational depth perspective ... we have plenty of surplus picks and prospects we could deal for an impact player of two at Xmas if we think we can go for it ... we also have surplus 19 year olds, so if we don't think we can make a run this year, we can move a couple at Xmas for a much better return than we would get for them as extra 20s next summer - and this year's team may not even suffer much if at all because we have so many good young prospects knocking at the door for increased ice time. If we have a good first half, I can see us being buyers at Xmas ... if we are smart we can set up to contend the next couple of years ... adding more picks isn't going to help us much at this point, as we will only end up having to cut good players later - we have plenty of picks already for 2009, some good prospects from the 2008 draft already in the system. Those 2009 picks, beyond the two in the 1st round, will have a tough time cracking the lineup next year anyway. By my count, we stand to lose 6 players from this years' roster - Eagles, Biduke and Sill (20s), and 3 of the 19yos. (I'm not counting Voynov who isn't here yet). Then, we have Downe, Noseworthy, Daoust, O'Brien, Martin and Cadet waiting to come up - 4 of those 6 will likely make the team next year. Add the 2 2009 1st rounders, and that's a full roster. If Cisse decides to come, that bumps one of the other youngers (I suspect). Maybe a 19yo will be traded for a 2010 pick plus a young player, but the offer would have to be good. The Cats are in an enviable position of being able to demand a lot for anyone another team is interested in. If Voynov is as good as they say, he might be the most sought-after asset (assuming he reports to Moncton, of course). Having too many QMJHL calibre players is never a bad thing. You can always move some to add draft picks next year or the following one. Guys like Lariviere, Martin and Noseworthy will have to show improvement this season in order to have a realistic shot at next year's roster. The 2009 picks other than the 2 1st rounders can be 15 year olds and sent down for further development, so it's not like the team will be stuck with 28 players and no place for them to go. If the team as individuals has a good developmental year, they could be 1-2 players from being a top 3-4 team next year with Rio in nets plus the strong group of 1990 d-men and an improving group up front. |
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Post by Rocky Saganiuk on Sept 16, 2008 14:53:22 GMT -4
I During the Christmas break last year Flynn mentioned that all the Wildcats were open for trade if the price was right ... Insert any team name and any coach in the above statement and you have covered 95% of all Q team philosophies at Christmas, whether the organization publicly states it or not. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 16, 2008 15:10:56 GMT -4
I During the Christmas break last year Flynn mentioned that all the Wildcats were open for trade if the price was right ... Insert any team name and any coach in the above statement and you have covered 95% of all Q team philosophies at Christmas, whether the organization publicly states it or not. Yup ... every player is for sale ... but the price for many is outrageous. We could trade Gormley at Xmas if a team was willing to provide us two top 10 1st round picks in each of the next 3 drafts. |
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