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Post by chootoi on Oct 1, 2008 10:39:46 GMT -4
they've overturned scores before, but for other reasons. remember when the cats lost to victoriaville (i think) a couple of years ago and then a few days later the league ruled that victo had used an ineligible 20 yo. they overturned the win, but i'm not sure how it affected scoring statistics. i don't think they would do anything for the scenario you're describing though. the call is what it is. they certainly wouldn't overturn a score because of a bad call. refs and replay judges make mistakes all the time and teams have to live with it. legit goals are called off all of the time and vice versa. it's part of sports i guess. it sucks sometimes for your team but it happens. This is a little different than a bad call though. The Ref called it a goal on the ice ... and then only after talking to the video goal judge (without seeing the replay himself) did it get overturned ... when it seems it should not have been overturned. Maybe in the future they'll go the baseball route ... have the Ref go into the Officials Room and view a replay feed himself. i certainly hope so. even the NHL still does it this way and it makes no sense to me. there's no reason why the refs can't have a look at the play when the video is already available. it's really a no brainer. in the end it's their opinion that matters so why complicate it by throwing more people into the equation. it's a little ridiculous. on a side note i tried to browse through the rule book to see what it said about video replay and there was nothing at all... that i could find anyway. the Q might want to get that puppy updated. i'm assuming that the rule is something similar to the NHL where the video replay guy has to tell the ref that there's conclusive evidence that the puck never went in to overturn the call on the ice. i never saw the goal in question so i don't know, but from what everyone is saying, there's no doubt it went in. what this would indicate is that either: a) the puck never actually went in... unlikely from all the talk b) the goal judge made the wrong call by telling the ref it was conclusively not in when it was... his error c) the ref overturned the call based on non-conclusive evidence... ref error in any case someone blew the call. in the end it's the ref's decision that counts on the scoreboard so it falls on him. still, the league itself is never going to overturn something like that. well... maybe for roy
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Post by Penguins23® on Oct 1, 2008 13:43:06 GMT -4
The goal judge had no say in it if it went to replay. I wonder if they have the ability to add a goal to the score (days later) if in fact an error was made. I know it makes no difference and it would be pointless in this case. But perhaps in another case where a team has a goal overturned like this ... go on to lose the game in OT ... and miss the playoffs by getting bumped with the first tie-breaker ... wins. It could really make a difference. Nope, the second the next faceoff is taken that play/goal/no goal is forgotten. I've never agreed with the "oh if he would have burried that chance we would of won" when talking about at random play in the first period. It's all about the butterfly effect. Example, if a Team A gets a goal in the first period then it's disallowed and lose the game 5-4. Do you really think that the game would have finished 5-5 if that goal was allowed? No, of course not. Team B would have been in a hole and maybe without all the momentum they would have lost the game 6-1. Or maybe that early goal against would have woke them up and they would have won 5-2. We don't know, we'll never know. Bottom line, Cats won, if that goal was allowed maybe they would have lost...no one knows and no one will ever know.
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Post by zambonidriver on Oct 1, 2008 16:27:30 GMT -4
You know, it's too bad they never announce why the goals are disallowed.
This would have gone a long ways towards ending all the speculation.
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Post by jazz on Oct 2, 2008 15:46:42 GMT -4
Surprise, they finally posted the Moncton vs Halifax game on telus
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Post by catnut on Oct 2, 2008 15:53:54 GMT -4
You know, it's too bad they never announce why the goals are disallowed. This would have gone a long ways towards ending all the speculation. They often announce it at the Coliseum. Usually, the reason is obvious though.
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Post by tostitos on Oct 6, 2008 10:57:39 GMT -4
back to the original topic...prime example in yesterdays game..they kept switching the angles and someone obviously hit the wrong button and went to an overhead shot of the sea dogs goalie...while the play was at hte other end of the ice...and didomenico scored the winner...so anyone watching never got to see the actual shot...just an overhead view of the sea dogs goalie standing there...morons.
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Post by joepuck on Oct 6, 2008 11:43:45 GMT -4
how come we offer such poor video coverage, if money is the problem im sure most of the fans would be willing to pay for high def, the picture is so bad i get a headache watching the games, not sure if its because of the bad quality of the picture from the video feed or the terrible camera work, the camera keeps switching angles in and out and then to kids in the stands while the play is whistled, guys we want to see what is happening on the ice, take your center ice view from high up and just follow the play from there, atleast we can see what is happening, how come the ushl offer games on b2 networks where the pic and quality are far more superior? for a low cost of 6 bucks?
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Post by Optimus Reim on Oct 6, 2008 12:07:50 GMT -4
I have watched a couple of OPHL games on B2 and they have one camera fixed in one position. Like someone else stated, just use the one camera and quit trying to get different views. I was stuck getting to my seat before play stopped so I watched the monitors and man it is not good. If I could not make the game I would not watch it on the comp I would listen to it on the radio instead. I know they are volunteers but it is not easy to watch.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 6, 2008 12:13:40 GMT -4
I have watched a couple of OPHL games on B2 and they have one camera fixed in one position. Like someone else stated, just use the one camera and quit trying to get different views. I was stuck getting to my seat before play stopped so I watched the monitors and man it is not good. If I could not make the game I would not watch it on the comp I would listen to it on the radio instead. I know they are volunteers but it is not easy to watch. Yeah the video is poor ... the production of it is the problem. But to say such a comment that you would rather just listen to the radio than watch the video feed is assinine. It is not 100% bad ... only about 25% when they switch angles ... thats still a lot but for the most part you can watch the game and see what is happening. I think I'd rather watch the game than take Gerry Green for his word on the radio ... I find his call of the game leaves a lot to be desired. I'd rather form my own opinions with a weak video production.
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 6, 2008 12:19:34 GMT -4
I agree with Steve. For whatever reason, I find myself unable to stream online video with Windows Media Player now, so I have been forced to listen to Green's play by play, and man, do I wish I could watch instead, even with the constant angle changes.
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Post by Optimus Reim on Oct 6, 2008 12:47:23 GMT -4
It gives me a headache unfortunately. I thought that people were over reacting but everytime they change cameras the screen seems like it pops up from the bottom. I give them all their due for trying to be different and more professional but its too hard on the head IMO.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 6, 2008 13:13:58 GMT -4
It gives me a headache unfortunately. I thought that people were over reacting but everytime they change cameras the screen seems like it pops up from the bottom. I give them all their due for trying to be different and more professional but its too hard on the head IMO. Too hard on the head ? ... what a candy ass ... Maybe you are a little too focussed on the tiny screen trying to follow along closely. Normally I just put the game up on my screen in the corner and play online poker while its playing. I'm not following the play closely ... just checking it out depending how the action is developing.
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Post by Optimus Reim on Oct 6, 2008 13:24:11 GMT -4
That's funny but you have your opinion and I have mine. But It really makes no difference cause I very seldomly miss a game anyways.
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Post by jazz on Oct 6, 2008 15:27:50 GMT -4
I was at the game on sunday and I thought of another reason the video is so bad. They stream the video to the scoreboard in Moncton and the fans who are there see the whole ice so the video is showing detail on plays, closeups, etc. The fact that they are adding to the fans that see the whole ice allows them to bounce back and forth without anyone missing anything. Could it be that they are focusing on the videoscreen first? And telus coverage is just secondary?
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 6, 2008 15:32:26 GMT -4
I was at the game on sunday and I thought of another reason the video is so bad. They stream the video to the scoreboard in Moncton and the fans who are there see the whole ice so the video is showing detail on plays, closeups, etc. The fact that they are adding to the fans that see the whole ice allows them to bounce back and forth without anyone missing anything. Could it be that they are focusing on the videoscreen first? And telus coverage is just secondary? Yes ... that has always been the problem ... they are just picking up the inhouse feed from the score board. Our video is for the fans in the rink first ... not for Telus.
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