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Post by forrest on Sept 22, 2008 7:21:32 GMT -4
Were the refs really bad last night or is this the kind of BS the league told them to call. IMO, if you look at every minor penalty called, they were all technically penalties, but we have seen a lot worst being let go in front of the officials.
Another thing is when Eagles got hit from behind and fell head first on the board... None other than Lessard was next to him and he couldn't do anything. Is this really what the Q is going to be from now on. Great team will have a hard time keeping their best players uninjured until the end of the season.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 22, 2008 7:30:12 GMT -4
Were the refs really bad last night or is this the kind of BS the league told them to call. IMO, if you look at every minor penalty called, they were all technically penalties, but we have seen a lot worst being let go in front of the officials. Another thing is when Eagles got hit from behind and fell head first on the board... None other than Lessard was next to him and he couldn't do anything. Is this really what the Q is going to be from now on. Great team will have a hard time keeping their best players uninjured until the end of the season. Mills was a sideshow last night ... he must have thought everybody came to see him. Some of the calls were so lame ... the call on Monaghan for lifting the stick of Lessard (??) and preventing a goal ... and then seeing the same thing ignored 4 or 5 times further on in the game. VD did take several penalties that were deserved ... they were tired and stopped skating ... looking for the short cuts. But there came a time in that game when the Refs (mostly Mills) needed to just let them play as they took the entertainment out of the game. On the hit on Eagles ... that happened many times last year when you were allowed to do something about it without huge repercussions ... and it didn't change anything. But Lessard did the right thing ... he immediately went at the Dman but realized it was suddenly a 5 on 3 ... saw Eagles was fine ... so he let it slide. Good decision by him. |
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Post by AceKikr on Sept 22, 2008 15:22:56 GMT -4
Well, I wasn't at the game, but I heard from a friend that it was kind of brutal...
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Post by hockey1981 on Sept 22, 2008 15:26:23 GMT -4
Well, I wasn't at the game, but I heard from a friend that it was kind of brutal... When aren't the Ref's in the Q brutal....  |
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Post by Penguins23® on Sept 22, 2008 19:20:34 GMT -4
Well, I wasn't at the game, but I heard from a friend that it was kind of brutal... When aren't the Ref's in the Q brutal.... I'm waiting... |
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Post by zambonidriver on Sept 22, 2008 20:29:05 GMT -4
When aren't the Ref's in the Q brutal.... I'm waiting... Go for a beer, it's going to be a while... |
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Post by Rocky Saganiuk on Sept 22, 2008 20:44:54 GMT -4
Wasn't it great to have Lane on the bench last night? Not only was he not a waste of a roaster spot last night, by taking on McNeil, he may have saved us a roaster move.
Yes, the penalty calls were ridiculous at the end. It was almost like they were punishing the Foreurs. Frustration was naturally building... and the chances of someone on the Foreurs taking their frustraions out on one of our skilled players was becoming more likely if we didn't have someone legitimate to take it out on.
The cheap high stick McNeil put on Lane to begin the second fight would have surely been destined to attempt to injure another player if Lane was not available.
Tightening the fighting rules (if that indeed is what has happened, I'm not yet convinced) will only make situations like last night with a tired, frustrated team getting blown out on the road, that much more dangerous. In actuality, the need for a player like Lane might become even more important if fighting comes with too steep a punishment.
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Post by jimmy on Sept 23, 2008 8:33:45 GMT -4
Wasn't it great to have Lane on the bench last night? Not only was he not a waste of a roaster spot last night, by taking on McNeil, he may have saved us a roaster move. Yes, the penalty calls were ridiculous at the end. It was almost like they were punishing the Foreurs. Frustration was naturally building... and the chances of someone on the Foreurs taking their frustraions out on one of our skilled players was becoming more likely if we didn't have someone legitimate to take it out on. The cheap high stick McNeil put on Lane to begin the second fight would have surely been destined to attempt to injure another player if Lane was not available. Tightening the fighting rules (if that indeed is what has happened, I'm not yet convinced) will only make situations like last night with a tired, frustrated team getting blown out on the road, that much more dangerous. In actuality, the need for a player like Lane might become even more important if fighting comes with too steep a punishment. I am not sure I agree with that ... I don't think McNeil would have lined up and high-sticked Eagles or MacAusland in the face before the puck dropped if Lane wasn't in the lineup ... he wanted to get in a scrap with Lane to make up for losing the first one. A guy like McNeil is a complete liability on the ice, if Lane isn't in the lineup to oblige him with a scrap (and vice versa) I doubt anyone, fans or players, even notice they are in the lineup. It is not as though either of them are flying around the ice hammering non-fighters with big checks and need to be reigned in - their skating is not good enough to allow that to happen. I guarantee that the odds of a good skating, tough hitter like Brannon or Sill catching a buffalo like McNeil with his head down and putting him into next week with a clean hit are much higher than the odds of McNeil actually landing a damaging hit on one of our players. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 23, 2008 8:41:24 GMT -4
Wasn't it great to have Lane on the bench last night? Not only was he not a waste of a roaster spot last night, by taking on McNeil, he may have saved us a roaster move. Yes, the penalty calls were ridiculous at the end. It was almost like they were punishing the Foreurs. Frustration was naturally building... and the chances of someone on the Foreurs taking their frustraions out on one of our skilled players was becoming more likely if we didn't have someone legitimate to take it out on. The cheap high stick McNeil put on Lane to begin the second fight would have surely been destined to attempt to injure another player if Lane was not available. Tightening the fighting rules (if that indeed is what has happened, I'm not yet convinced) will only make situations like last night with a tired, frustrated team getting blown out on the road, that much more dangerous. In actuality, the need for a player like Lane might become even more important if fighting comes with too steep a punishment. I am not sure I agree with that ... I don't think McNeil would have lined up and high-sticked Eagles or MacAusland in the face before the puck dropped if Lane wasn't in the lineup ... he wanted to get in a scrap with Lane to make up for losing the first one. A guy like McNeil is a complete liability on the ice, if Lane isn't in the lineup to oblige him with a scrap (and vice versa) I doubt anyone, fans or players, even notice they are in the lineup. It is not as though either of them are flying around the ice hammering non-fighters with big checks and need to be reigned in - their skating is not good enough to allow that to happen. I guarantee that the odds of a good skating, tough hitter like Brannon or Sill catching a buffalo like McNeil with his head down and putting him into next week with a clean hit are much higher than the odds of McNeil actually landing a damaging hit on one of our players. The thing is though, if you don;t have a guy like Lane(or Herr) on your team, guys like McNeil will take liberties on your players, especially with a smaller/younger team. |
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Post by jimmy on Sept 23, 2008 8:57:56 GMT -4
I am not sure I agree with that ... I don't think McNeil would have lined up and high-sticked Eagles or MacAusland in the face before the puck dropped if Lane wasn't in the lineup ... he wanted to get in a scrap with Lane to make up for losing the first one. A guy like McNeil is a complete liability on the ice, if Lane isn't in the lineup to oblige him with a scrap (and vice versa) I doubt anyone, fans or players, even notice they are in the lineup. It is not as though either of them are flying around the ice hammering non-fighters with big checks and need to be reigned in - their skating is not good enough to allow that to happen. I guarantee that the odds of a good skating, tough hitter like Brannon or Sill catching a buffalo like McNeil with his head down and putting him into next week with a clean hit are much higher than the odds of McNeil actually landing a damaging hit on one of our players. The thing is though, if you don;t have a guy like Lane(or Herr) on your team, guys like McNeil will take liberties on your players, especially with a smaller/younger team. McNeil got about four shifts all night, and the ones he got he wobbled around as if he was on training wheels ... he was a non-factor when he was on the ice ... if Lane would not have been dressed, would he have seen any more ice time? And if he did, would he have spent his time "taking liberties" with our players, or taking stupid penalties and causing his team to be shorthanded (including when he is on the ice and two steps behind the play)? When we played PEI and Saint John, was Lane a factor, intimidating the other team? No - they had no one interested in fighting Lane, and Lane seldom left the bench. The shifts he did get, he was pretty quiet - not much intimidating going on that I saw. One dimensional fighters pretty much operate in a parallell world - their only purpose is to fight amongst themselves ... if the other team doesn't have one of their ilk in the lineup, they become non-factors. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 23, 2008 9:04:14 GMT -4
The thing is though, if you don;t have a guy like Lane(or Herr) on your team, guys like McNeil will take liberties on your players, especially with a smaller/younger team. McNeil got about four shifts all night, and the ones he got he wobbled around as if he was on training wheels ... he was a non-factor when he was on the ice ... if Lane would not have been dressed, would he have seen any more ice time? And if he did, would he have spent his time "taking liberties" with our players, or taking stupid penalties and causing his team to be shorthanded (including when he is on the ice and two steps behind the play)? When we played PEI and Saint John, was Lane a factor, intimidating the other team? No - they had no one interested in fighting Lane, and Lane seldom left the bench. The shifts he did get, he was pretty quiet - not much intimidating going on that I saw. One dimensional fighters pretty much operate in a parallell world - their only purpose is to fight amongst themselves ... if the other team doesn't have one of their ilk in the lineup, they become non-factors. McNeil got a regular shift on the 2nd line and even got some PP time on a few of them. He may be aone dimensional fighter but he played a regular shift. |
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Post by jimmy on Sept 23, 2008 9:09:48 GMT -4
McNeil got about four shifts all night, and the ones he got he wobbled around as if he was on training wheels ... he was a non-factor when he was on the ice ... if Lane would not have been dressed, would he have seen any more ice time? And if he did, would he have spent his time "taking liberties" with our players, or taking stupid penalties and causing his team to be shorthanded (including when he is on the ice and two steps behind the play)? When we played PEI and Saint John, was Lane a factor, intimidating the other team? No - they had no one interested in fighting Lane, and Lane seldom left the bench. The shifts he did get, he was pretty quiet - not much intimidating going on that I saw. One dimensional fighters pretty much operate in a parallell world - their only purpose is to fight amongst themselves ... if the other team doesn't have one of their ilk in the lineup, they become non-factors. McNeil got a regular shift on the 2nd line and even got some PP time on a few of them. He may be aone dimensional fighter but he played a regular shift. Goes to show how much of an impact he had - I didn't even notice him on the ice ...  |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 23, 2008 11:23:50 GMT -4
When aren't the Ref's in the Q brutal.... I'm waiting... We have had many well Reffed games over the years. Last year we were one of the least penalized teams ... we played disciplined and were rewarded for it most nights. Brutal is a pretty strong word ... Guy Pellerin doesn't do brutal games ... he might have an off night (IMO) from time to time but he is never brutal. I've seen the more notourious guys like Arsenault and Mills actually do decent games ... Thomander for the most part does a decent job. Francis Charron and Jean Hebert are pretty good ... Ghislaine Hebert was so good he got picked up for the pros. I would put Carruthers and Dutil in the brutal category ... I don't think I've ever left a game that they worked feeling the Ref did a good job. But we don't get them too much anymore. |
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Post by zambonidriver on Sept 23, 2008 18:21:02 GMT -4
IMHO there were at least 2 things that I noticed that bothered me about the officiating:
1. I found it a little inconsistent at times (like that's a surprise). Like failing to make the call when they were standing right beside and looking right at the offense; and
2. I also found the difference from the last game was like night and day. Probably because somebody said something to them.
The refs are human and prone to error like the rest of us. I guess we just expect much more from them.
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