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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 30, 2008 11:32:30 GMT -4
A wildcast’s poster had posted on our website that your forward lines look something like this. Lessard - Cameron - Eagles Brown - Sill - Brannon MacAusland - Bissonnette - Lahey Roski - Pettersson - Famin First question I would have is why your Euro with 8 goals isn’t on the top two lines but separate from that. I think the upgrading on Lahey is the obvious move. My first reaction would be to simply try and upgrade him with a Petite or another forward but there aren’t many potentially available 20 yr old forwards so the price might be a little high. Plus you are (surprisingly) one of the top teams offensively anyway. So your best move would probably be to upgrade for a solid 20 yr old defensemen. Some of the higher profile guys like Paris or Lessard will cost too much. But there could be a few solid 20's like Gervais (maybe too high given how well he is playing), Legault (maybe still too high) Mallette, Rioux, Guay and a few others. For PP help Legault or Mallette could be the best options. And some may jump on me but as an option B I also think Guay could be a solid low cost option because he won’t be coveted by a contending team and likely obtainable for something like a 2nd/3rd round pick which means you aren't sacrifcing too much of the future. He won’t QB a powerplay but he has decent skating and puck moving skill and his is pretty responsible defensively so he could really add solid depth as your 3rd/4th guy and relieve some pressure on the younger guys. Then as a second move add a 19 yr old depth player like Laroche, Famulare, etc. Jodin might be enough to get a 6th/7th type 19 yr old forward like the above or you may need to package a younger depth player like Jodin with a draft pick depending on who you get. Like SNB experienced last season Moncton likely shouldn’t make any big name additions because they will cost to much but the challenge will be trying to find the right minor tweak or two at a reasonable cost. And separate from winning a championship investing in a long playoff run could be a good investment to help further develop those young core players. Anyway Just some “really” outside thoughts since I haven’t even seen the Wildcats play yet this season. Any comments? Famin like Bissonnette has not gotten much ice on the top 2 lines or PP(Bissonnette is a regular on the 2nd PP), the reasoning I heard was that Flynn wanted Famin to learn the culture/language/systems before he gave him more responsibility. Bissonnette has the skill to play top 6 right now but he needs to round out his game. With the depth the Cats have plying 3rd or 4th lines doesn't strop those guys from contributing offensively because they have pretty good linemates. I don't see adding a depth 19 year old forward, when everybody is healthy, Petterson MacAusland/Leahy and Bissonnette make up the 4th line and Lane/Roski are extras. In order for it to be worth adding a forward, it would need to be a 90+ point guy.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 30, 2008 11:36:14 GMT -4
A wildcast’s poster had posted on our website that your forward lines look something like this. Lessard - Cameron - Eagles Brown - Sill - Brannon MacAusland - Bissonnette - Lahey Roski - Pettersson - Famin First question I would have is why your Euro with 8 goals isn’t on the top two lines but separate from that. I think the upgrading on Lahey is the obvious move. We have a 1st line ... and then 3 other lines ... and many different looks to any of those lines ... which order they come out is unknown. Famin has been playing with Stephens but now Stephens is out for 7 to 10 days with a shoulder injury ... so Famin gets assigned somewhere else. I'm not saying these lines are correct ... and the only thing that we can say for sure with all of these players is that Roski will probably be 4th line ... but will see some PK time. Petterson gets loads of icetime ... in all situations ... Lahey does not. Flynn mixes it up a lot so everybody gets to play with good linemates. We roll 4 lines ... and so everybody (but Lane) gets a lot of icetime. Looking at those lines I would suggest that Famin may actually switch with Lahey and be on the 2nd scoring line ... Eagles line being #1. But it is hard to pin down what our lines are from game to game ... they change often ... and it works.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Oct 30, 2008 11:36:39 GMT -4
I'm not sure Jodoin would fetch a forward that would crack our top 9. Then you're faced with one of our current young forwards losing ice time. By the time you make another deal to replace Jodoin, I'm not sure you accomplish anything other than making trades for the sake of making trades. Besides, Jodoin should blossom over the next two seasons, he is already playing like a veteran. Other than a move that upgrades from Lahey to a 20 yo d-man, like many here have suggested, I just can't see trades making any sense. We have enough forwards that you would really have to land an impact 30+ goal guy to make it worth doing....which is costly. On defense if you added a 20 yr old your defense would be Barberio, Savard, Gormley, Dimitruk, Boyle, Bell, 20 yr old. You wouldn't need to add another defensemen to replace him. As for your forwards I can't speak to whether or you NEED another guy but don't forget my scenerio was subtracting Lahey which is why "on paper" I think adding another experienced forward would help. Right now Moncton has some great young talent and some guys who are off to great starts. But on a team without any real "stars" depth is what wins you games and late in the season/playoffs having that extra 20 goal scorer veteran who is realible can really help. Personally I don't think paying the price for a 90+ point guy would be the right for Moncton because of the cost. As I said finding the right fit at the right cost will be a real challenge maybe not worth it to make any major moves. One final question. If Lahey is subtracted for a 3rd/4th type defensemen like Guay. Is Moncton better? and if a move like that is made do you think the Wildcats currently are solid enough at forward to match up with teams in the second round?
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 30, 2008 13:33:57 GMT -4
[One final question. If Lahey is subtracted for a 3rd/4th type defensemen like Guay. Is Moncton better? and if a move like that is made do you think the Wildcats currently are solid enough at forward to match up with teams in the second round? That was two questions ... Yes Moncton is "better" by upgrading on Lahey with a 20 YO Dman ... of course it depends on who that Dman is ... and that our forwards are all healthy. But are we "better" to the point that we could win a championship ... no I don't think so ... just better ... but anything can happen when you are a hard working team with solid systems.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 30, 2008 14:09:38 GMT -4
[One final question. If Lahey is subtracted for a 3rd/4th type defensemen like Guay. Is Moncton better? and if a move like that is made do you think the Wildcats currently are solid enough at forward to match up with teams in the second round? That was two questions ... Yes Moncton is "better" by upgrading on Lahey with a 20 YO Dman ... of course it depends on who that Dman is ... and that our forwards are all healthy. But are we "better" to the point that we could win a championship ... no I don't think so ... just better ... but anything can happen when you are a hard working team with solid systems. The d-man you are adding would need to be dramatically better than Jodoin/Boyle/Dimitruk, they have been solid so far defensively and moving the puck. I think you'd need a 20 that was at least average defensively and a 50+ point guy on offense and could help the #1 PP. I think Mallette fits the bill, so does Paris and Piche...Rioux?, not sure if that's a big enough upgrade. Legault, he is good offensively on the PP but below average 5 on 5, not worth what he would cost and what it takes out of the lineup(Leahy plus Jodoin/Dimitruk), too one dimensional.
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Post by joepuck on Oct 30, 2008 21:12:08 GMT -4
i think we send Stephens cameron and a first round 09 pick to St John for Despres, or we get southorn from pei for some upcoming picks
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Post by lirette on Oct 30, 2008 21:17:26 GMT -4
i think we send Stephens cameron and a first round 09 pick to St John for Despres, or we get southorn from pei for some upcoming picks Yep, lets get rid of our top 2 centers, they are of no need this season..
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Post by lalalaprise on Oct 30, 2008 21:18:08 GMT -4
Pistilli aint goin nowhere Didnt mean Pistilli...i meant a player in his situation...a 19 year old who is almost assured of being back as a 20 who is great NOW and will be great NEXT year.
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Post by lalalaprise on Oct 30, 2008 21:19:21 GMT -4
It would for sure have to be an upper echelon type of 19 year old who likely wont go pro. A kid like McNicholl or Pistilli... Guys like that carry a 25-50% chance of going pro at 20, look at Demers, Dubuc, Corsi. Corsi went pro because of where he was traded...I figured Demers was for sure going pro after his 19 year old season... For gusy on the borderline they would be a lot more likely to go to Moncton as a 20 instead of a place like DRU or SHA. Plus you can work a stipulation into the deal.
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Post by hockey1981 on Oct 30, 2008 21:28:32 GMT -4
I think Cats should try and go for it this year. Everyone says next year is our year. With the uncertainty of Riopel being back or not. This year, SJ was supposed to be the team and they are struggling big time. Why take the chance of Cats being next year's SJ. I say go for it without selling farm, trading away young players who aren't currently with Cats and picks and see what you can get....
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Post by lalalaprise on Oct 30, 2008 21:33:37 GMT -4
I think Cats should try and go for it this year. Everyone says next year is our year. With the uncertainty of Riopel being back or not. This year, SJ was supposed to be the team and they are struggling big time. Why take the chance of Cats being next year's SJ. I say go for it without selling farm, trading away young players who aren't currently with Cats and picks and see what you can get.... Exactly...you guys are loaded with very good young talent on your team + in Midget AAA and you have 9 picks in 2009 and more than your fair share in 2010. You can essentialy trade 4-5 good young assets, win it all this year....and then go ahead og trade 4-5 assets again next year and win it again... But the thing is, you wont have to trade 4-5 young assets to win it all this year. Saying next year is your year is a greedy way of looking at it in terms of not wanting to part with any assets... You can only dress 20 players...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2008 21:51:01 GMT -4
I believe that Moncton is not that far off of where Gatineau (Hull) was in 2002-2003. Hull made some good trades that year ( Brunelle, Smith and Pottie(?) from Victo, Bellemare from Shaw) that complimented what they already had with their young talent and they won 2 championships in a row. I would say that in the Atlantic , Moncton is the king followed closely by Cape Breton. Overall, they may be behind a team like Quebec but if things click right, Moncton could be there. Zach Sill can be an effective shut-down guy in the playoffs- he was for Truro in 2007 and MVP of the playoffs there.
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