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Post by Dalkiel on Nov 9, 2008 22:38:00 GMT -4
I actually think he is too focused on his balance (or as you say, lack-there-of). He does not instinctually know how to reposition his weight during a fight. He is so focused on not losing his balance, he is losing his height & weight advantage. You guys seem to be missing it IMO. He doesn't have a fighter's heart/mentality. Sure he knows the only chance he has to stay with the Cats is to fight so that is what he is going to do. I am torn between whether he fights scared or fights nervous. He uses his reach to keep his opponent away but he doesn't use it to setup any punches. He actually keeps people too far for him to reach. So, he is either afraid to let someone close incase he catches some shots. Or the nervous side would be that he doesn't want to let anyone close incase he catches some shots and loses. Being so large would make it a little embarassing to lose. I have seen no mean streak or that carziness we've seen in past fighters in the Q. There were a few big hits by the Moose last night and some of the Cats stood up on the bench but he wasn't one of them. I really believe he is looking at the fighting as a way to play. What am I missing??? I understand he is here to fight, I'm just stating my opinion on his fighting ability as did you so does that mean you don't get it as well???
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 10, 2008 1:56:11 GMT -4
Cats have the record !!! 7-4 nice game with lots of action. Looked like both teams were up for this one. Congrats on the record. After watching them tonight I can see how they got there. Very oportunistic.........some great goals on break outs. I think my Moose aquited themselves well..........they did not give up and played the Cats tough. It was a very entertaining game. Cudos to the Cats fans who were there I know I enjoyed the ones I talked to and I think they had a good time too. We did have a good time ;D Glad I made the trip down as it was a fun game to watch, there was a good crowd and it was a good atmosphere. I totally agree that the Mooseheads did well for themselves and it was not an easy 2 points by any means. Kudos to the Moose on the nice jerseys as well, they were a definite improvement on their pink ones.
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Post by Rocky Saganiuk on Nov 10, 2008 7:15:26 GMT -4
I... Pender won the fight over Lane in my opinion. I think even giving Pender a draw in that fight is a stretch. There was no change in momentum based on the outcome of this fight. None whatsoever. I would love to see Lane leap right into a fight swinging instead of the dance and tie-up. He can not seem to free himself enough to get a finishing shot. By the way, Lane played his best shifts last night too. He continues to improve. wow hockey moron you chose the perfect name! when lane is on the ice we are short handed! while Andrew Roski is healthy and sitting in the stands! and to top things off he lost his fight! Are you talking specifically about Saturday's game, or, are you just upset about Lane playing in general? The way things are going for Moncton, I find it difficult to believe anyone can criticize Flynn's line-up decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2008 8:32:09 GMT -4
Cats have the record !!! 7-4 nice game with lots of action. Looked like both teams were up for this one. Congrats on the record. After watching them tonight I can see how they got there. Very oportunistic.........some great goals on break outs. I think my Moose aquited themselves well..........they did not give up and played the Cats tough. It was a very entertaining game. Cudos to the Cats fans who were there I know I enjoyed the ones I talked to and I think they had a good time too. We did enjoy ourselves to the max. Thanks for noticing hahah! Maybe we made it a little too obvious. As soon as the game ended, security was telling us to leave.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 10, 2008 11:34:24 GMT -4
wow hockey moron you chose the perfect name! when lane is on the ice we are short handed! while Andrew Roski is healthy and sitting in the stands! and to top things off he lost his fight! Here is how the Cats are big winners when Lane fights a guy like Pender or O'Connor - both guys go to the box for 5 minutes ... we don't miss Lane, as he probably wouldn't have played a shift in those 5 minutes anyway ... but the Moose lose one of their top 4 d-men for 5 minutes - which our forwards then get to exploit by facing a #5/6 guy forced to step up who is likely more error prone ... You could argue from a momentum point of view that if Lane were to lose, the other team would gain an edge - but as of now, I have yet to see anyone lay a beating on Lane - the best you can argue is that some guy MAY have gotten an edge ... Short of Lane getting beat up, he is doing his job if he is taking a key opposition player, or a loose cannon who would otherwise be doing something dirty, off the ice for five minutes at a time. Roski will get his ice time eventually - if he was playing so well in practice, I am sure Flynn would rotate him with the likes of Petterson, Bissonette, and Lahey ... You can argue whether or not the team should employ a guy in the role that Lane has - but I think you have to concede that Lane has been quite effective in that role ... I like the fact that he doesn't take stupid penalties like so many goons do, for one ...
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Post by Conky on Nov 10, 2008 11:51:33 GMT -4
wow hockey moron you chose the perfect name! when lane is on the ice we are short handed! while Andrew Roski is healthy and sitting in the stands! and to top things off he lost his fight! Here is how the Cats are big winners when Lane fights a guy like Pender or O'Connor - both guys go to the box for 5 minutes ... we don't miss Lane, as he probably wouldn't have played a shift in those 5 minutes anyway ... but the Moose lose one of their top 4 d-men for 5 minutes - which our forwards then get to exploit by facing a #5/6 guy forced to step up who is likely more error prone ... You could argue from a momentum point of view that if Lane were to lose, the other team would gain an edge - but as of now, I have yet to see anyone lay a beating on Lane - the best you can argue is that some guy MAY have gotten an edge ... Don't kid yourself, you exploited the defense all game even when he was playing.
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Post by canbeer on Nov 10, 2008 11:52:57 GMT -4
Here is how the Cats are big winners when Lane fights a guy like Pender or O'Connor - both guys go to the box for 5 minutes ... we don't miss Lane, as he probably wouldn't have played a shift in those 5 minutes anyway ... but the Moose lose one of their top 4 d-men for 5 minutes - which our forwards then get to exploit by facing a #5/6 guy forced to step up who is likely more error prone ... You could argue from a momentum point of view that if Lane were to lose, the other team would gain an edge - but as of now, I have yet to see anyone lay a beating on Lane - the best you can argue is that some guy MAY have gotten an edge ... Don't kid yourself, you exploited the defense all game even when he was playing. And Moncton didn't score in either game while O'Connor and Pender were in the box.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 10, 2008 12:49:46 GMT -4
Don't kid yourself, you exploited the defense all game even when he was playing. And Moncton didn't score in either game while O'Connor and Pender were in the box. Perhaps not - obviously it doesn't work every time ... but clearly going by ice time, your own coaching staff feels Pender/O'Connor are better defensemen than say, Scott MacDonald ... so if them being in the box means we get to see more of MacDonald, then I think it is an advantage to us ... sooner or later it comes back to burn you if key players are in the box.
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Post by MikeC on Nov 10, 2008 13:23:23 GMT -4
And Moncton didn't score in either game while O'Connor and Pender were in the box. Perhaps not - obviously it doesn't work every time ... but clearly going by ice time, your own coaching staff feels Pender/O'Connor are better defensemen than say, Scott MacDonald ... so if them being in the box means we get to see more of MacDonald, then I think it is an advantage to us ... sooner or later it comes back to burn you if key players are in the box. That's the trade off, isn't it? You're trying to spark your team. O'Connor's fight was right after Moncton scored to make it 4-1. Pender's fight was with Moncton leading 5-2 in the 3rd. If it's 2-2 in the 3rd, or even the 2nd, it's unlikely either of those fight happen. You don't take the risk. Although, you likely don't have the option either, since Lane probably wouldn't see the ice in those situations. It's got a downside, for the reason you mentioned, but really, what did they have to lose?
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Post by canbeer on Nov 10, 2008 13:30:28 GMT -4
And Moncton didn't score in either game while O'Connor and Pender were in the box. Perhaps not - obviously it doesn't work every time ... but clearly going by ice time, your own coaching staff feels Pender/O'Connor are better defensemen than say, Scott MacDonald ... so if them being in the box means we get to see more of MacDonald, then I think it is an advantage to us ... sooner or later it comes back to burn you if key players are in the box. But that's "what ifs". What if the Moose took those fights as motivation and lead the comeback... that's a risk Moncton and Lane is taking... giving the other team motivation. What if with Lane in the box O'Connor, Louis-Seize, Bahm, Bona... starting with the dirty hits and going after Moncton's young skill when there's nothing Lane can do... Every decision can have a negative side and worst case scenarios.
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Post by tal on Nov 10, 2008 14:18:18 GMT -4
Perhaps not - obviously it doesn't work every time ... but clearly going by ice time, your own coaching staff feels Pender/O'Connor are better defensemen than say, Scott MacDonald ... so if them being in the box means we get to see more of MacDonald, then I think it is an advantage to us ... sooner or later it comes back to burn you if key players are in the box. But that's "what ifs". What if the Moose took those fights as motivation and lead the comeback... that's a risk Moncton and Lane is taking... giving the other team motivation. What if with Lane in the box O'Connor, Louis-Seize, Bahm, Bona... starting with the dirty hits and going after Moncton's young skill when there's nothing Lane can do... Every decision can have a negative side and worst case scenarios. Then guys like Boyle and Roski would step up on the Moncton side .... it affects Halifax more to have Pender and O'Connor in the box than it does Moncton to have Lane and Boyle in the box.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 10, 2008 14:23:21 GMT -4
Perhaps not - obviously it doesn't work every time ... but clearly going by ice time, your own coaching staff feels Pender/O'Connor are better defensemen than say, Scott MacDonald ... so if them being in the box means we get to see more of MacDonald, then I think it is an advantage to us ... sooner or later it comes back to burn you if key players are in the box. But that's "what ifs". What if the Moose took those fights as motivation and lead the comeback... that's a risk Moncton and Lane is taking... giving the other team motivation. What if with Lane in the box O'Connor, Louis-Seize, Bahm, Bona... starting with the dirty hits and going after Moncton's young skill when there's nothing Lane can do... Every decision can have a negative side and worst case scenarios. Umm...he could go pound the crap out of them after he comes out of the box.
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Post by Conky on Nov 10, 2008 14:51:59 GMT -4
But that's "what ifs". What if the Moose took those fights as motivation and lead the comeback... that's a risk Moncton and Lane is taking... giving the other team motivation. What if with Lane in the box O'Connor, Louis-Seize, Bahm, Bona... starting with the dirty hits and going after Moncton's young skill when there's nothing Lane can do... Every decision can have a negative side and worst case scenarios. Umm...he could go pound the crap out of them after he comes out of the box. With a lot of grabbing and sissy jabs?
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Post by canbeer on Nov 10, 2008 14:53:21 GMT -4
But that's "what ifs". What if the Moose took those fights as motivation and lead the comeback... that's a risk Moncton and Lane is taking... giving the other team motivation. What if with Lane in the box O'Connor, Louis-Seize, Bahm, Bona... starting with the dirty hits and going after Moncton's young skill when there's nothing Lane can do... Every decision can have a negative side and worst case scenarios. Umm...he could go pound the crap out of them after he comes out of the box. He could try and then give the other team a 5 minute powerplay. Maybe he's destroyed some guys on other teams but the intimidation lessens when you see multiple players from your own team willing to go with him and come out of the fight fine. The 6'7" monster sort of looses it's mystery when there's little consequence of fighting him. And with him in the box and players knowing Pender is willing and able then they don't feel they have to deal with Lane but only someone a few notches below.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 10, 2008 14:54:07 GMT -4
Umm...he could go pound the crap out of them after he comes out of the box. With a lot of grabbing and sissy jabs? Yup Seems to have worked so far, we have seen very few cheap shots at our top players.
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