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Post by jimmy on Dec 22, 2008 9:27:36 GMT -4
There seems to be a consensus among fans that we have a core of young players who are untouchable - Gormley, LBD, Bissonnette, Brown, MacAusland, and throw in the B-C first ... unfortunately any team looking to deal with us is going to start by listing off these names ... and I think they will automatically de-value some of our other young players by virtue of the fact that they are not in our top 5 of young talent - think about it - would we have been excited about dealing Bourdon for Cape Breton's 6th best young player while they kept Barberio and Brannon?
So, if it were to come down to it, and one or more of the "untouchables" were to be moved, in what order of value do you place them ... #1 being your absolute keeper, in decreasing order that you would maybe eventually discuss ... Here are mine:
1) Gormley - no brainer - they aren't moving him 2) Bissonette - I wouldn't be surprised if he is a PPG player next year at 17 ... awesome playmaker. Got to think that if the draft was done over he would be a top 10 pick ... 3) Brown - budding power forward, may be a 50 goal man at 19 (on pace for 30 as a 17 year old). 4) MacAusland - showing more grit and defensive presence than I expected, but his playmaking and finishing are behind where I thought they would be. 5) Domingue - promising young goalie, but goalies always seem to be more of a gamble as to how they develop. 6) B-C 1st - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush ... the five guys listed above have proven themselves to be bright prospects with play at the Q level ... with a draft pick, there is always an element of risk that the player will be a complete flop, especially in a weak draft with widely divergent views on player potential.
If it came down to moving a blue chip asset, B-Cs 1st would be what I dangle ...
Wonder if there would be any chance of Cisse reporting to Montreal? Perhaps he could be the centrepiece of a package to get some big pieces out of them ...
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 22, 2008 9:49:00 GMT -4
To me all of the core players are untouchable...I don't think you make a deal that messes in anyway with the next 4 years of the teams future. As a unit th eplayers are developing ahead of the curve and as a result the Cats are much higher in the standings than anyone expected.
But th ekey in all this has been goaltending and defensive play.
Where are the Cats in the standings without Rio getting off to such a great start this year?
I think if you have a 20 year old or a 19 year old that you can move for a player that will help this year and contribute next year fine but it will have to be a supporting player.
I say enjoy this season...keep the core players of the future in tact as a team and continue building...keep the draft pick.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 22, 2008 10:10:20 GMT -4
There seems to be a consensus among fans that we have a core of young players who are untouchable - Gormley, LBD, Bissonnette, Brown, MacAusland, and throw in the B-C first ... unfortunately any team looking to deal with us is going to start by listing off these names ... and I think they will automatically de-value some of our other young players by virtue of the fact that they are not in our top 5 of young talent - think about it - would we have been excited about dealing Bourdon for Cape Breton's 6th best young player while they kept Barberio and Brannon? So, if it were to come down to it, and one or more of the "untouchables" were to be moved, in what order of value do you place them ... #1 being your absolute keeper, in decreasing order that you would maybe eventually discuss ... Here are mine: 1) Gormley - no brainer - they aren't moving him 2) Bissonette - I wouldn't be surprised if he is a PPG player next year at 17 ... awesome playmaker. Got to think that if the draft was done over he would be a top 10 pick ... 3) Brown - budding power forward, may be a 50 goal man at 19 (on pace for 30 as a 17 year old). 4) MacAusland - showing more grit and defensive presence than I expected, but his playmaking and finishing are behind where I thought they would be. 5) Domingue - promising young goalie, but goalies always seem to be more of a gamble as to how they develop. 6) B-C 1st - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush ... the five guys listed above have proven themselves to be bright prospects with play at the Q level ... with a draft pick, there is always an element of risk that the player will be a complete flop, especially in a weak draft with widely divergent views on player potential. If it came down to moving a blue chip asset, B-Cs 1st would be what I dangle ... Wonder if there would be any chance of Cisse reporting to Montreal? Perhaps he could be the centrepiece of a package to get some big pieces out of them ... For Cisse, I think he has a guaranteed NCAA deal so onlt a big market team could pay him an education package to match that...Montreal is not a big Q market. In terms of BC's 1st, I'd trade LBD before it as it's a very good year for goalies in Quebec MAAA. The possibility of a lottery pick is very tantalizing, you never know when a Gormley/Couturier emerges from the pack. Guys like Andrews and Huberleau could emerge as the next Couturier.
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Post by wild1 on Dec 22, 2008 12:36:50 GMT -4
I think guys you may see the Cats make available are: Stephens and Dimitruk. I would not be opposed to dealing MacAusland, provided the Cats get someone that can help this year and next maybe Chris Doyle, or Maxime Sauve or Danick Paquette. With all the picks and prospects the Cats have, MacAusland could be dealt without losing that much in the future.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 22, 2008 12:42:36 GMT -4
I think guys you may see the Cats make available are: Stephens and Dimitruk. I would not be opposed to dealing MacAusland, provided the Cats get someone that can help this year and next maybe Chris Doyle, or Maxime Sauve or Danick Paquette. With all the picks and prospects the Cats have, MacAusland could be dealt without losing that much in the future. Stephens has made huge strides this year, I think he could be an 80-90 point guy at 19 or 20. He has very good hands and vision. That cross ice set up of Jodoin's goal is something you can't teach. If you look at him with Brown and possibly Famin next year, that's a strong 2nd line with 2 potential 30-40 goal scorers and aguy that can set them up.
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Post by 1fan on Dec 22, 2008 12:45:59 GMT -4
Another thing to consider when you talk about "untouchables" is the no trade clause. When players are recruited away from NCAA this clause can be included....don't know personally if the names you have put up have such a clause but it wouldn't suprise me either.
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Post by curtis on Dec 22, 2008 13:31:52 GMT -4
I think guys you may see the Cats make available are: Stephens and Dimitruk. I would not be opposed to dealing MacAusland, provided the Cats get someone that can help this year and next maybe Chris Doyle, or Maxime Sauve or Danick Paquette. With all the picks and prospects the Cats have, MacAusland could be dealt without losing that much in the future. MacAusland is already a fairly advanced 17 yo...he'll be an all-around star for at least 2 (probably 3) years after this one. Plays 1st PK, plays physical, should get right around 30 points this year without any PP time. I would consider him as untouchable as Brown.
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Post by lalalaprise on Dec 22, 2008 18:06:32 GMT -4
Untouchable? Doesnt exist...
Everyone has their price, even Gormley.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 22, 2008 18:16:13 GMT -4
Untouchable? Doesnt exist... Everyone has their price, even Gormley. Well let's say that with all things being equal and nobody makes a mind blowing, off the charts offer.
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Post by 1fan on Dec 22, 2008 22:59:48 GMT -4
Untouchable? Doesnt exist... Everyone has their price, even Gormley. It can exist when you have the number of draft picks that we have. Franchise players like Gormley or Steve Bernier don't come along very often. He's the face of the Cat's in a big way for the next few years. The list of reasons he stays is longer than the Cat's new bus IMO.
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Post by Score on Dec 22, 2008 23:01:03 GMT -4
Untouchable? Doesnt exist... Everyone has their price, even Gormley. He's the face of the Cat's in a big way for the next few years. How long do you see him in the QMJHL??
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Post by lalalaprise on Dec 22, 2008 23:03:28 GMT -4
Untouchable? Doesnt exist... Everyone has their price, even Gormley. It can exist when you have the number of draft picks that we have. Franchise players like Gormley or Steve Bernier don't come along very often. He's the face of the Cat's in a big way for the next few years. The list of reasons he stays is longer than the Cat's new bus IMO. Every player has their price. If Wayner can get traded, anyone can. Sure, there are obviously some players you would never shop around or think of trading but every player has their price.
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Post by curtis on Dec 22, 2008 23:05:47 GMT -4
He's the face of the Cat's in a big way for the next few years. How long do you see him in the QMJHL?? At least 2 years, with a better than 50/50 shot at 3. The biggest factor may be which NHL team drafts him and their philosophy on the timing of promoting young d-men to the NHL. I see him getting a 10 game audition in his age 19 season. I'm hoping he gets picked by a team already stacked with defencemen.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 22, 2008 23:14:59 GMT -4
How long do you see him in the QMJHL?? At least 2 years, with a better than 50/50 shot at 3. The biggest factor may be which NHL team drafts him and their philosophy on the timing of promoting young d-men to the NHL. I see him getting a 10 game audition in his age 19 season. I'm hoping he gets picked by a team already stacked with defencemen. At this point in his career it's a non factor.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 23, 2008 9:48:12 GMT -4
Untouchable? Doesnt exist... Everyone has their price, even Gormley. But without allowing cash to be part of the deal ... who could afford the price ?
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