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Post by SteveUL on Dec 23, 2008 9:50:28 GMT -4
It can exist when you have the number of draft picks that we have. Franchise players like Gormley or Steve Bernier don't come along very often. He's the face of the Cat's in a big way for the next few years. The list of reasons he stays is longer than the Cat's new bus IMO.  Every player has their price. If Wayner can get traded, anyone can. Sure, there are obviously some players you would never shop around or think of trading but every player has their price. Cash was involved in the trade for "Wayner" ... and that can't happen here. When you are dealing with fixed hockey assets it becomes out of reach. |
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Post by lalalaprise on Dec 23, 2008 10:15:36 GMT -4
Every player has their price. If Wayner can get traded, anyone can. Sure, there are obviously some players you would never shop around or think of trading but every player has their price. Cash was involved in the trade for "Wayner" ... and that can't happen here. When you are dealing with fixed hockey assets it becomes out of reach. My point is, in theory no one is untouchable. If a team offers you a package that makes your team better, you take it. The odds of someone offering something that substantial for one player is slim, but the odds are still there. |
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Post by pong on Dec 23, 2008 17:40:24 GMT -4
I think guys you may see the Cats make available are: Stephens and Dimitruk. I would not be opposed to dealing MacAusland, provided the Cats get someone that can help this year and next maybe Chris Doyle, or Maxime Sauve or Danick Paquette. With all the picks and prospects the Cats have, MacAusland could be dealt without losing that much in the future. MacAusland is already a fairly advanced 17 yo...he'll be an all-around star for at least 2 (probably 3) years after this one. Plays 1st PK, plays physical, should get right around 30 points this year without any PP time. I would consider him as untouchable as Brown. When Desharnais was playing for Chicoutimi,I wondered why the Cats could never seem to draft a similar player-small,speedy, shifty,dangerous offensively-and I thought that's what they were getting with Devon. But he's playing a role on the checking line this year-is that his future or does his growth in the future project to a more Desharnais-type player? Thoughts? |
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Post by Doublesnipers on Dec 24, 2008 9:55:42 GMT -4
MacAusland is already a fairly advanced 17 yo...he'll be an all-around star for at least 2 (probably 3) years after this one. Plays 1st PK, plays physical, should get right around 30 points this year without any PP time. I would consider him as untouchable as Brown. When Desharnais was playing for Chicoutimi,I wondered why the Cats could never seem to draft a similar player-small,speedy, shifty,dangerous offensively-and I thought that's what they were getting with Devon. But he's playing a role on the checking line this year-is that his future or does his growth in the future project to a more Desharnais-type player? Thoughts? I've always had the same lingering thoughts about our players and the organization. I fully believe, and it is only my opinion, that other teams who draft say a Desharnais type don't preach two way system growth as much as the Moncton Wildcats. There is no way of telling but I've always felt the Wildcats push hard the idea of two way playing, so much in fact that they may indeed have a couple of snipers or high octane offensive players in their lineups, but because they push defense so much they don't let them loose to simply score. Compare that to (Im just guessing again) Chicoutimi who had Desharnais, who scored a great deal and was a very threatening offensive star in this league, and was maybe not pushed defense first as much. I honestly feel that we have a player like Desharnais in Macausland and also a future sniper in Bisonette, as well as a couple others that could be offensive powers, but our team preaches a defense first system, which although great for the team game and outcome (not complaining we are winning) may limit their offensive production or turn them into a two way player instead of an offensive weapon. (again good for NHL draft chance etc, but hindering offensive output) Those are just my thoughts after watching many seasons of the Wildcats and thinking, "why dont we ever have any offensively dominating players, ( I realize we had Steve Bernier, and Dupuis etc but they are few and far between for this organization) and that explanation is my thought on why.. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 24, 2008 10:01:02 GMT -4
MacAusland is already a fairly advanced 17 yo...he'll be an all-around star for at least 2 (probably 3) years after this one. Plays 1st PK, plays physical, should get right around 30 points this year without any PP time. I would consider him as untouchable as Brown. When Desharnais was playing for Chicoutimi,I wondered why the Cats could never seem to draft a similar player-small,speedy, shifty,dangerous offensively I googled that description and a picture of Brad Marchand came up |
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Post by Penguins23® on Dec 24, 2008 11:54:43 GMT -4
When Desharnais was playing for Chicoutimi,I wondered why the Cats could never seem to draft a similar player-small,speedy, shifty,dangerous offensively-and I thought that's what they were getting with Devon. But he's playing a role on the checking line this year-is that his future or does his growth in the future project to a more Desharnais-type player? Thoughts? I've always had the same lingering thoughts about our players and the organization. I fully believe, and it is only my opinion, that other teams who draft say a Desharnais type don't preach two way system growth as much as the Moncton Wildcats. There is no way of telling but I've always felt the Wildcats push hard the idea of two way playing, so much in fact that they may indeed have a couple of snipers or high octane offensive players in their lineups, but because they push defense so much they don't let them loose to simply score. Compare that to (Im just guessing again) Chicoutimi who had Desharnais, who scored a great deal and was a very threatening offensive star in this league, and was maybe not pushed defense first as much. I honestly feel that we have a player like Desharnais in Macausland and also a future sniper in Bisonette, as well as a couple others that could be offensive powers, but our team preaches a defense first system, which although great for the team game and outcome (not complaining we are winning) may limit their offensive production or turn them into a two way player instead of an offensive weapon. (again good for NHL draft chance etc, but hindering offensive output) Those are just my thoughts after watching many seasons of the Wildcats and thinking, "why dont we ever have any offensively dominating players, ( I realize we had Steve Bernier, and Dupuis etc but they are few and far between for this organization) and that explanation is my thought on why.. If you want a perfect example, look no further then Jerome Samson. To make matters worse for him, he had to play on a defensive line. |
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Post by Over60 on Dec 25, 2008 1:04:38 GMT -4
I'm not sure of the previous posts are meant to be criticism of a two-way system or not but how many "offensive" stats of the Q, Sidney Crosby being the exception, have made an impact in the NHL. Bernier and Dupius are mentioned as Wildcat offensive players but I would be surprised if Dupuis gets more than a cup coffee in Colorado and Bernier is with his third team and the best he can do is third and fourth line. I'm told by friends in Vacouver his value to the team is as a "banger and thrasher"( a la Zack Sill) not for his offensive skills.
I thnk the Wildcats with their two way sysyem are preparing players to advance to a higher level better than other teams who let their offensive stars have a free rein.
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Post by nogoal on Dec 25, 2008 9:55:49 GMT -4
How long do you see him in the QMJHL?? At least 2 years, with a better than 50/50 shot at 3. The biggest factor may be which NHL team drafts him and their philosophy on the timing of promoting young d-men to the NHL. I see him getting a 10 game audition in his age 19 season. I'm hoping he gets picked by a team already stacked with defencemen.  I agree. He will be the next islander in the NHL. He has all the tools; size, smarts, skating, poise, shot and he is only 16. He "should" be an early NHL draft pick, meaning a team that needs players. It is harder for a rookie D to crack the line-up than a rookie forward. In the league at 16-17-18, I say he has a 60-40, even 70-30 chance to be in the NHL at 19. So let's enjoy watching him over the next few years. |
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