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Post by lalalaprise on May 22, 2009 20:59:40 GMT -4
The cost was only a 5th rd pick...not a huge deal. It's a lot for a guy who was sent home during the playoffs. True...hes always had attitude issues... I dont see a 5th as being a high cost though.
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Post by Smiley on May 22, 2009 21:58:41 GMT -4
It's a lot for a guy who was sent home during the playoffs. True...hes always had attitude issues... I dont see a 5th as being a high cost though. But the 5th round is the last round where you gamble on 16 yr old projects. As an outsider, I always looked at 5th rounds as the round you would like to keep. Take a chance on a 16 yr old who you think MAY develop, but not a stud right now. Without the 5th rounder you can't really take that gamble, without sacrificing.
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Post by lalalaprise on May 22, 2009 22:19:22 GMT -4
True...hes always had attitude issues... I dont see a 5th as being a high cost though. But the 5th round is the last round where you gamble on 16 yr old projects. As an outsider, I always looked at 5th rounds as the round you would like to keep. Take a chance on a 16 yr old who you think MAY develop, but not a stud right now. Without the 5th rounder you can't really take that gamble, without sacrificing. If you look at the last 6-7 drafts, on average more 4th rd picks make it to the Q than 5th...and more 6th rd picks make it to the Q than 5th's...sure you can gamble in rd 5...but its still just a 5th rd pick.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 22, 2009 22:58:15 GMT -4
True...hes always had attitude issues... I dont see a 5th as being a high cost though. But the 5th round is the last round where you gamble on 16 yr old projects. As an outsider, I always looked at 5th rounds as the round you would like to keep. Take a chance on a 16 yr old who you think MAY develop, but not a stud right now. Without the 5th rounder you can't really take that gamble, without sacrificing. I agree, very stupid trade considering the upside of Bernard and the fact he's a 19yr old in a year we're not going to contend. Considering the circumstances I wouldn't of gave them more then an 8th rounder.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 22, 2009 22:59:10 GMT -4
But the 5th round is the last round where you gamble on 16 yr old projects. As an outsider, I always looked at 5th rounds as the round you would like to keep. Take a chance on a 16 yr old who you think MAY develop, but not a stud right now. Without the 5th rounder you can't really take that gamble, without sacrificing. If you look at the last 6-7 drafts, on average more 4th rd picks make it to the Q than 5th...and more 6th rd picks make it to the Q than 5th's...sure you can gamble in rd 5...but its still just a 5th rd pick. But how many teams were looking for this guy? I doubt there was much of a bidding war.
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Post by hal on May 23, 2009 7:46:02 GMT -4
entertaining? only if the other teams have someone willing to fight him Exactly. There's not much room for a goon in today's game. That Post desrves a Lifetime Ban ! ;D
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 23, 2009 13:56:17 GMT -4
Exactly. There's not much room for a goon in today's game. That Post desrves a Lifetime Ban ! ;D I know but that's how the game is evolving. Maybe when we see what we look like when everything is done in about a months time this trade will make a little more sense then it does right now.
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Post by Clubber Lang on May 23, 2009 15:48:14 GMT -4
I think they are looking at an additional 200-400 fans a game as well so maybe the gate situation played a role. I don't mind the trade because of teams taking liberties over the past few years but a fifth (thankfully we had two) seems a little steep and would have felt a 7th or 8th would be sufficient
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Post by senatorz2 on May 23, 2009 19:11:42 GMT -4
he had a very bad temper in midget.. and i need to agree 100% because a 5th round for him is a big thing.. could of got a prospect that could of developped in the system just incase that the Eagles do host the Memorial Cup.. could of been a project but i guess that it's too late now.. and now that the style of hockey changed it doesnt mean that there will be a fight or two per game and no one will challenge him.. i do not beleive that he can produce some points some i think that this is a bad move.. just my opinion
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 23, 2009 19:17:19 GMT -4
I think they are looking at an additional 200-400 fans a game as well so maybe the gate situation played a role. I don't mind the trade because of teams taking liberties over the past few years but a fifth (thankfully we had two) seems a little steep and would have felt a 7th or 8th would be sufficient I'd be absolutely shocked if he brought in an extra 400 per game.
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Post by hal on May 23, 2009 21:00:47 GMT -4
I think they are looking at an additional 200-400 fans a game as well so maybe the gate situation played a role. I don't mind the trade because of teams taking liberties over the past few years but a fifth (thankfully we had two) seems a little steep and would have felt a 7th or 8th would be sufficient I'd be absolutely shocked if he brought in an extra 400 per game. He will make a difference that's for sure ...........I'd say it will result in at least 15-20 Season Ticket Packages for his close family and most likely that many Flex packages that they will buy for the kids involved in the Youth Groups / Youth Hockey on the Reserve .
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Post by Murph on May 23, 2009 22:04:57 GMT -4
I'd be absolutely shocked if he brought in an extra 400 per game. He will make a difference that's for sure ...........I'd say it will result in at least 15-20 Season Ticket Packages for his close family and most likely that many Flex packages that they will buy for the kids involved in the Youth Groups / Youth Hockey on the Reserve . The team allots a certain amount of tickets for family/billets of all players that are signed to cards. So him being on the team will give his family tickets. Sure there may be some members of his family and friends that still want to see all the games, but 15-20 is a huge stretch IMO. The guy is 19. How many of his friends can actually afford season tickets? Likely not many. They'll probably buy walk up tickets for games where there's a good chance he'll scrap. It's still what?... 45 minute drive from his hometown? Me thinks you're over estimating the ticket amounts he'll bring in. I doubt he affects the season ticket draw by much more than 5. Plus you also have to factor that the spot he takes on the roster, could be of a local player (generally teams tend to find spots for locals towards the end of the roster, especially in rebuilding years), which would then results in ticket losses from that player's family. The big draw will be the walk ups. The fans that don't have season tickets..... that like fighting...... that follow the league closely enough, to know which teams have fighters that he may get to go with. Again, I don't think that's a huge number of people coming over a 34 games period. As it stands now, the only other team in the division with a fighter is Bathurst (Worden) and he's really no gaurentee to make the team given the amount of forwards they're returning.
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Post by pucksense on May 23, 2009 22:15:28 GMT -4
Sometimes it's nice to have an enforcer, but I tend to agree with Smiley. Take a chance on a 16 year old who may surprise. We got pretty good mileage out of Culligan, I believe a 5th rounder in '04.
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Post by lalalaprise on May 24, 2009 1:32:13 GMT -4
Sometimes it's nice to have an enforcer, but I tend to agree with Smiley. Take a chance on a 16 year old who may surprise. We got pretty good mileage out of Culligan, I believe a 5th rounder in '04. Seems like the Eagles either get a really good player in rd 5 or a complete bust... Your 5th rd picks since 2004. 2004 - Culligan 2005 - MacNeil and Vasseur 2006 - Watts and Chouinard 2007 - Fontaine Eagles have generally done well in rd 5...but if the 5th rd pick going to shawi is a 2009 pick...i wouldnt be too worried.
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Post by Clubber Lang on May 24, 2009 8:29:22 GMT -4
Sometimes it's nice to have an enforcer, but I tend to agree with Smiley. Take a chance on a 16 year old who may surprise. We got pretty good mileage out of Culligan, I believe a 5th rounder in '04. I don't think we would have made that deal if we only had one 5th round pick but we had 3 so giving up one may not be that bad after all.
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