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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 4, 2009 23:00:52 GMT -4
www.capebretonpost.com/index.cfm?sid=257931&sc=146-Adam and Bernard deals confirmed -“(P.E.I.) doesn’t want to trade in our division and I’m never going to trade Morgan Ellis,” said Durocher. -Piscacek not returning, or very doubtful anyway. -Ward is an FA and will likely have tryout offers but will likely return -As for the three overagers he’s shopping — forwards Vincent Lavigueur, J.C. Gauthier and defenceman Brad Tesink — Durocher said he has multiple offers for each and planned to make his final decisions on those deals with his scouting staff either Thursday night or this morning.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Jun 4, 2009 23:18:18 GMT -4
this is the last thing i wanted. He better pull something off at xmas time if he expects to compete.
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Post by canucklehead on Jun 5, 2009 1:29:39 GMT -4
I think now that Chouinard has been dealt most teams with top end talent are gonna want to start talks with Morgan Ellis  |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jun 5, 2009 6:46:00 GMT -4
Im hearing Mario has a offer for Laviguer from Victo , not sure who / what is the return as of yet.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jun 5, 2009 6:49:02 GMT -4
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Post by Murph on Jun 5, 2009 8:08:37 GMT -4
Most interesting blurb in that piece:
Mario Durocher turned down a straight up one-for-one deal that would have sent Morgan Ellis to Rouyn for Marc-Andre Bourdon.
Horrible non-deal for the Eagles IMO, especially since Bourdon has an outside chance at playing in the league this year. How you justify trading Sam Finn for Michael Ward, and not trading Ellis for Bourdon is mind boggling.
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Post by Gman on Jun 5, 2009 8:23:50 GMT -4
Most interesting blurb in that piece: Mario Durocher turned down a straight up one-for-one deal that would have sent Morgan Ellis to Rouyn for Marc-Andre Bourdon. Horrible non-deal for the Eagles IMO, especially since Bourdon has an outside chance at playing in the league this year. How you justify trading Sam Finn for Michael Ward, and not trading Ellis for Bourdon is mind boggling. Was thinking the same thing. Ellis will be a stud, but best case is that he matches what Bourdon has done. He won't surpsass it. Dumb non-trade for sure. I could see if RN wanted Ellis, a first, and someone else, but one for one, you HAVE to do that trade. |
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Post by bois on Jun 5, 2009 8:41:25 GMT -4
didn't Ellis get a package to report to CB? was he not an NCAA kid.. meaning he had only a handful of teams he said he would report to if drafted?
perhaps there was no chance of trading him to Rouyn or to us
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Post by Murph on Jun 5, 2009 9:09:25 GMT -4
didn't Ellis get a package to report to CB? was he not an NCAA kid.. meaning he had only a handful of teams he said he would report to if drafted? perhaps there was no chance of trading him to Rouyn or to us He got a package but a no-trade wasn't part of it. Being a 16 year old with already lost NCAA eligibility, he wouldn't have had much of a choice. Plus he's good some NHL upside, and should get drafted in 2010, and won't play as a 20 most likely. Finn will likely play as a 20, which gives them the same amount of years remaining. What's Ellis gonna do, play Junior A for 4 years? That will stunt his development, and he can pretty kiss any pro aspirations good-bye. For those will argue that Horyl was part of the deal to..... he was basically a throw in, that could have been had for a 6th or 7th rounder. They could have had Bourdon, and Finn and been without Ward and Ellis. Makes Cape Breton significantly better last year, and doesn't hurt them in the future. Ward and Bourdon have about the same chance of returning as 20's. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 5, 2009 9:12:55 GMT -4
didn't Ellis get a package to report to CB? was he not an NCAA kid.. meaning he had only a handful of teams he said he would report to if drafted? perhaps there was no chance of trading him to Rouyn or to us He got a package but a no-trade wasn't part of it. Being a 16 year old with already lost NCAA eligibility, he wouldn't have had much of a choice. Plus he's good some NHL upside, and should get drafted in 2010, and won't play as a 20 most likely. Finn will likely play as a 20, which gives them the same amount of years remaining. What's Ellis gonna do, play Junior A for 4 years? That will stunt his development, and he can pretty kiss any pro aspirations good-bye. For those will argue that Horyl was part of the deal to..... he was basically a throw in, that could have been had for a 6th or 7th rounder. They could have had Bourdon, and Finn and been without Ward and Ellis. Makes Cape Breton significantly better last year, and doesn't hurt them in the future. Ward and Bourdon have about the same chance of returning as 20's. Ward is 80% sure of returning at 20, he was not signed on June 1st. I believe Bourdon already is and was drafted in the 2nd or 3rd rd. |
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Post by Murph on Jun 5, 2009 9:16:03 GMT -4
He got a package but a no-trade wasn't part of it. Being a 16 year old with already lost NCAA eligibility, he wouldn't have had much of a choice. Plus he's good some NHL upside, and should get drafted in 2010, and won't play as a 20 most likely. Finn will likely play as a 20, which gives them the same amount of years remaining. What's Ellis gonna do, play Junior A for 4 years? That will stunt his development, and he can pretty kiss any pro aspirations good-bye. For those will argue that Horyl was part of the deal to..... he was basically a throw in, that could have been had for a 6th or 7th rounder. They could have had Bourdon, and Finn and been without Ward and Ellis. Makes Cape Breton significantly better last year, and doesn't hurt them in the future. Ward and Bourdon have about the same chance of returning as 20's. Ward is 80% sure of returning at 20, he was not signed on June 1st. I believe Bourdon already is and was drafted in the 2nd or 3rd rd. I'm talking about when the deal was made. Both were unsigned NHL draft picks. At that point, you'd assume that both are gone. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 5, 2009 9:20:13 GMT -4
Ward is 80% sure of returning at 20, he was not signed on June 1st. I believe Bourdon already is and was drafted in the 2nd or 3rd rd. I'm talking about when the deal was made. Both were unsigned NHL draft picks. At that point, you'd assume that both are gone. I'm sure the Eagles have enough contacts to know the odds on Ward signing. Q teams know all the scouts and can get a pretty good read on this stuff. It may have only been 50-50 at midseason, but it was a higher percentage than Bourdon. |
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Post by Murph on Jun 5, 2009 9:21:28 GMT -4
I'm talking about when the deal was made. Both were unsigned NHL draft picks. At that point, you'd assume that both are gone. I'm sure the Eagles have enough contacts to know the odds on Ward signing. Q teams know all the scouts and can get a pretty good read on this stuff. It may have only been 50-50 at midseason, but it was a higher percentage than Bourdon. Even if that's true..... There's still a fairly significant gap between Bourdon and Ward. There isn't one between Finn and Ellis. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2009 10:26:23 GMT -4
I really think the man has no clue how to be a GM.
The fact that we could of had Bourdon and Ward for Finn, Ellis, MacLellan, and a 5th rounder and he said no is mind boggling. While all these other teams were moving piles of picks and players for guys like Bourdon we could of had him straight up for a 16yr old?
And the Adam thing makes no sense. Why not give up more in Jan to get it done and have him for 2 years? Did his value really get cut in half from then to now?
I still think that Pascal should be paying a premium for OUR players, not vice versa because our scouts drafted most of his guys.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 5, 2009 10:30:02 GMT -4
I'm sure the Eagles have enough contacts to know the odds on Ward signing. Q teams know all the scouts and can get a pretty good read on this stuff. It may have only been 50-50 at midseason, but it was a higher percentage than Bourdon. Even if that's true..... There's still a fairly significant gap between Bourdon and Ward. There isn't one between Finn and Ellis. The way I see it, if you're buying then you don't half ass it. You either go all in or you walk away from the table. How do you go from acquiring Ward and making a run at it to turning down a one for one of Ellis for Bourdon when every team is after him? |
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