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Post by freddy on Nov 1, 2009 7:52:52 GMT -4
I am sure if we can package some players Cam can find a Scorer out there and we will not have to turn to trading off the younger players this season...We don't need our 20 year olds and they can go with maybe some help to may trades with an added 19 year old ..Suchas Betty,or Bernard..Also Alex Mac Donald too..I am sure that they can get some returns on those players even if it is draft choices which now they could trade off for players Remember we are not going to get the top stars of league for these guys but can get players that are leaders and can put puck in net under the right roles within the team..
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Post by bsm on Nov 1, 2009 8:05:02 GMT -4
Honest if we can get two scorers and only really give up one major role player in Thomas we will win some games and not hurt our youth development but will better the efforts of players and team to fans for sure your right the fans would love more than one win in 15 games.. Also if we can trade off our 20's for draft choices or for 18 year olds we will be in better shape to add three 20 year olds to finish season that can score goals even 15-20 each for rest of year..Also would have two good scoring lines ...Maybe even three if Cam can work some Mircles...Go Moose Go!!! What two scorers are you going to acquire and what are you willing to spend to get them? Trading your youth would be foolish ... and you don't have vets that anyone wants enough to give up a young player who can contribute offensively now. One move you may want to consider, with your stockpile of good young d-men, is dangling a kid like Bishop for a young (16-17-18)forward ... it seems like he isn't quite as good as advertised, and the emergence of Hannay and Lewis makes him even more expendable ... maybe you could find a team with a logjam of good young forwards and a lack of depth on defense that may be willing to make a deal. St. John has that logjam you speak of but they would have no interest in Bishop.
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Post by sharrow on Nov 1, 2009 10:00:03 GMT -4
Hey Jimmy, I like that idea of trading Bishop for a young forward or he could be coupled with another older player for even a better player and we would still be solid on D with Clark, Gillard, Abeltshauser, Lewis, Hannay (whose looks like a possible replacement for Metcalfe) all 17's plus the 20 yr old Dimitruk and we will have picks to fill any other D openings. I like that alot.
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Post by curtis on Nov 1, 2009 11:13:17 GMT -4
I am sure if we can package some players Cam can find a Scorer out there and we will not have to turn to trading off the younger players this season...We don't need our 20 year olds and they can go with maybe some help to may trades with an added 19 year old ..Suchas Betty,or Bernard..Also Alex Mac Donald too..I am sure that they can get some returns on those players even if it is draft choices which now they could trade off for players Remember we are not going to get the top stars of league for these guys but can get players that are leaders and can put puck in net under the right roles within the team.. You may want to upgrade your 20 yo's, but nobody else is going to want them...they are not an improvement for anybody else. They have little to no trade value.
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 1, 2009 11:41:33 GMT -4
Honest if we can get two scorers and only really give up one major role player in Thomas we will win some games and not hurt our youth development but will better the efforts of players and team to fans for sure your right the fans would love more than one win in 15 games.. Also if we can trade off our 20's for draft choices or for 18 year olds we will be in better shape to add three 20 year olds to finish season that can score goals even 15-20 each for rest of year..Also would have two good scoring lines ...Maybe even three if Cam can work some Mircles...Go Moose Go!!! What two scorers are you going to acquire and what are you willing to spend to get them? Trading your youth would be foolish ... and you don't have vets that anyone wants enough to give up a young player who can contribute offensively now. One move you may want to consider, with your stockpile of good young d-men, is dangling a kid like Bishop for a young (16-17-18)forward ... it seems like he isn't quite as good as advertised, and the emergence of Hannay and Lewis makes him even more expendable ... maybe you could find a team with a logjam of good young forwards and a lack of depth on defense that may be willing to make a deal. I agree that Bishop isnt as good as advertised, wasnt a fan of his last year, but i doubt his trade value is going to be high right now. Halifax picked him 19th overall, almost a 1st rd pick...i dont think they would be able to recover the equivelent of that in a deal. So you may as well just keep the kid and hope he develops.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 1, 2009 13:47:23 GMT -4
What two scorers are you going to acquire and what are you willing to spend to get them? Trading your youth would be foolish ... and you don't have vets that anyone wants enough to give up a young player who can contribute offensively now. One move you may want to consider, with your stockpile of good young d-men, is dangling a kid like Bishop for a young (16-17-18)forward ... it seems like he isn't quite as good as advertised, and the emergence of Hannay and Lewis makes him even more expendable ... maybe you could find a team with a logjam of good young forwards and a lack of depth on defense that may be willing to make a deal. I agree that Bishop isnt as good as advertised, wasnt a fan of his last year, but i doubt his trade value is going to be high right now. Halifax picked him 19th overall, almost a 1st rd pick...i dont think they would be able to recover the equivelent of that in a deal. So you may as well just keep the kid and hope he develops. Or cut your losses ... because if he can't earn ice time next season, his value will be next to nil ... you won't get 1st pick value for him, but if you even get 2nd or 3rd pick type value (not saying a draft pick, but that type of value), it may be worthwhile ... maybe you can land an 18 year old forward that is either a former high pick who has struggled to emerge and could use a change of scenery, or a guy who was maybe a later round pick who has been a bit of a late bloomer. One mark of a good GM is turning a player who is not in the plans into an asset before his value falls completely off the radar ... And I think you have the makings of a good blueline for the next 2 or 3 years even if you exclude Bishop from the equation.
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 1, 2009 13:58:22 GMT -4
I agree that Bishop isnt as good as advertised, wasnt a fan of his last year, but i doubt his trade value is going to be high right now. Halifax picked him 19th overall, almost a 1st rd pick...i dont think they would be able to recover the equivelent of that in a deal. So you may as well just keep the kid and hope he develops. Or cut your losses ... because if he can't earn ice time next season, his value will be next to nil ... you won't get 1st pick value for him, but if you even get 2nd or 3rd pick type value (not saying a draft pick, but that type of value), it may be worthwhile ... maybe you can land an 18 year old forward that is either a former high pick who has struggled to emerge and could use a change of scenery, or a guy who was maybe a later round pick who has been a bit of a late bloomer. One mark of a good GM is turning a player who is not in the plans into an asset before his value falls completely off the radar ... And I think you have the makings of a good blueline for the next 2 or 3 years even if you exclude Bishop from the equation. I like Lewis more than Bishop, but Lewis still has some question marks to his game. People are already penciling him into a top 6 role next year when he hasnt really done anything to prove he can play at this level. Halifax has the 'makings' of a great group of dmen, but a lot of things can happen between now and 2 years to change that.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 1, 2009 14:42:52 GMT -4
Is Fraser even property of the Mooseheads that would be an excellent call up along with Blois who is shining in Halifax but I'm not sure he is Q ready yet if he decides to go the Q route and not the NCAA route!!!
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Post by Murph on Nov 1, 2009 16:41:50 GMT -4
Okay if you are going to say that Marcel Patenaude is NOT ultimately responsible for the mess that Russell has inherited could you please elaborate on why you feel this way because from where I sit and I assume quite a few other fans may feel the same way it appears that Marcel is very responsible for the mess that the Mooseheads are in right now. Patenaude could get away with pissing away picks when Halifax was one of the very few that could pull off the NCAA bluff, now it's pretty common so they need the extra picks because they have had some busts(Greer MacAskill etc). "Piss away" would imply he moved picks in deals that didn't pan out, and were essentially no-deals. That was rarely the case. More often than not, he got equal, or exceeded value in those deals. He definately traded away a lot of picks.... but didn't "piss away" very many.
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Post by freddy on Nov 1, 2009 17:16:33 GMT -4
Marcel track record for most part was very good for the Mooseheads in his last few seasons he pulled out of deals and lost some faith of other teams and that is why he ran into trouble in the last few seasons and then came the crazy deal for Brad Marchant just plain stupid ...
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Post by thecaptain on Nov 1, 2009 17:52:58 GMT -4
There is an 18 yr old in the MJAHL named Nick Huard who is having a strong season. Just named to team canada east in World Jr A Challenge. Might be Lewiston property but he is a good player...played 51 games in the league last yr for a couple bad teams. As for Bahm, take your pick of 20 yr olds in the MJAHL. I bet some of them would produce more offence than him which is what the team is really lacking. (Mickey MacDonald in Bridgewater or Dana Fraser in Truro would be good candidates to come up. Both sound hockey players defensively who can produce some offense. MacDonald almost made Dalhousie last yr I am told and Fraser attended an OHL camp a few yrs back and did well.) Andrew Langan another 18 yr old, late cut from Sea Dogs this yr who are pretty deep up front. And while Blois may or may not be a Q goalie....there has been nothing to prove to me that Corbeil is either. I would call up Blois or Collier and give them a start. To me, as long as your not tinkering with your young guys, why not bring in some different older guys to audition? Stoddard, Bahm, Brunet, Metcalfe, are not going to be here next yr so imagine if someone was called up and played better than them....wouldnt that be terrible! We might win another game! Same with the goalies. If one was called up and they actually stood on their head imagine that! I like rebuilding but as a paying customer I also like to see a win more than once every 10-15 games. You have to realize the difference between JR A and the Q. It's been posted many times on many different boards but brett gallant was top 5 in scoring in JR A last year. That should be enough of a hint that offensive players in junior A are not necessarily offensive in the Q. While I am well aware of the difference between the Q and Jr A. There are exceptions to the rule. Horyl and MacDonald both came from Truro to the Q and flourished. Brett Gallant played on an incredible team last yr in Jr A and scored alot of pts on reputation giving him space to do what he wanted on the ice. There are players that are late bloomers and slip through the cracks. When your 1-17 would it hurt to bring some of these guys in to have a look? If Matt Stoddard sat a game while a MacDonald or Fraser played what effect would that have on the team?
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Post by sharrow on Nov 1, 2009 19:18:02 GMT -4
Lala, can you explain for us all, how this works for unaffliated players. Surely we can't just call up who we like, for example Blois as I understand it he is on our protected list but not an A/P player, what rights do we have and what rights do the Lions have in regards to him and how would it work for guys like Myers, MacQuigan etc. I do remember when we traded Pardy to Cape Breton a few years ago during the Christmas break (BOMMERRANG TRADE) Antigonish refused to allow him to go to the Cape until the season ended even though he was owned by us.
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 1, 2009 21:02:41 GMT -4
Lala, can you explain for us all, how this works for unaffliated players. Surely we can't just call up who we like, for example Blois as I understand it he is on our protected list but not an A/P player, what rights do we have and what rights do the Lions have in regards to him and how would it work for guys like Myers, MacQuigan etc. I do remember when we traded Pardy to Cape Breton a few years ago during the Christmas break (BOMMERRANG TRADE) Antigonish refused to allow him to go to the Cape until the season ended even though he was owned by us. All he has to do is sign a player card and he can play. Teams have something like 31 player cards... I know there was a dispute at the time with Pardy and Antigonish but there hasnt been a situation like that since. Halifax right now only has one player signed as an affiliate...Jamie Bishop. But if they wanted to call up Myers, McGuigan, Boudreau, Lewis or Belanger all theyd have to do is sign them to a card.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 1, 2009 21:33:44 GMT -4
We'll for the most part I'm enjoying them grow we haven't gotten blown out every game and they are working hard a win can't be too far away and finally within the next 2 weeks they play 5 at home bout time!!!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 1, 2009 23:31:24 GMT -4
Patenaude could get away with pissing away picks when Halifax was one of the very few that could pull off the NCAA bluff, now it's pretty common so they need the extra picks because they have had some busts(Greer MacAskill etc). "Piss away" would imply he moved picks in deals that didn't pan out, and were essentially no-deals. That was rarely the case. More often than not, he got equal, or exceeded value in those deals. He definately traded away a lot of picks.... but didn't "piss away" very many. A lot of them were busts and some of the others were just players to fill holes, guys he could have found as FA's.
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