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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 16:13:52 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 16:13:52 GMT -4
I don't think you should give him away either... none of this will be relevant if he actually has no desire to move as has been rumoured, but he is not going to land you a kid that you will have as a top 6 forward for 2-3 1/2 years.... that's all I also really don't think proposing giving you 2 players plus a pick as giving him away.... i'm not suggesting you take garbage.. Street scored 12 goals for us last year as a third liner on not a very strong team... he also had a hatty against you guys earlier this year.... he is still only halfway thru his 18 year old season.... he's a bit of a reclamation project but I really do think he would excel in an environment like you guys currently have as a second liner .... and then I said take your pick of one of our 3 young forwards that cracked our opening night roster as a future piece.... that's no different than you proposing that tossing in Bishop into a deal to take Oligny from us everybody overvalues their own players I understand that.. but that doesn't mean people can't at least attempt to speculate on possible scenarios without being ridiculous... if you think we're not good trade partners (i actually don't disagree with that) just say so.. but don't suggest a half season of Thomas Knotek is worth 3 plus years of Oligny plus a first or an Escott at the draft.. or a Ben Duffy In all seriousness this is the type of thread that helps make this board interesting, thank-you for starting it. To me trading for a half season of someone is risky at best and I am sure some of the GM's around the league have the Marchand trade in the back of their mind when considering it. I was kind of looking at perhaps trading 2 young Dee, us getting the one with more upside and you getting 1/2 a year of Knotek and us getting a year of Escott may be in the ballpark of a deal. probably not. As a fan who loves to go to the games, although I understand to rebuild you have to give up something, I would miss not seeing Thomas play the last half of the year. My opinion is slightly different then some as to me this has some value. However if we can add a young forward who has potential to be top 6 next 2 years my mind might change some.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 16:41:30 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 16:41:30 GMT -4
Oligny is already better than Bishop.. upside be damned.....
and Escott will be in the Q for 2 more years and despite his game being somewhat soft... he does put points on the board and as a 19-20 he should be one of the better playmakers in the Atlantic Division
so while I respect your opinion that losing a half season of Knotek may not be worth it to you.. I hope you can respect mine that making those kinds of trades would result in us essentially losing a franchise....
I respect all your posters telling us how great Knotek has been for you guys this year..... where I have a slight problem is when those posters diminish the contributions of other players (ie Champagne, Cassavant) for us and toss in stuff about character or crime issues... Doyle made a mistake.... happens to lots of young kids and shouldn't need to be brought up in a thread discussing Thomas Knotek's trade value.. so that comment was not priceless as you said... i actually thought it was distasteful
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 16:56:52 GMT -4
Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 24, 2009 16:56:52 GMT -4
Knotek would be a huge loss for us but right now if he keeps producing at the rate he is I don't see Cam trading him!!!!
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 16:59:07 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 16:59:07 GMT -4
Oligny is already better than Bishop.. upside be damned..... and Escott will be in the Q for 2 more years and despite his game being somewhat soft... he does put points on the board and as a 19-20 he should be one of the better playmakers in the Atlantic Division so while I respect your opinion that losing a half season of Knotek may not be worth it to you.. I hope you can respect mine that making those kinds of trades would result in us essentially losing a franchise.... I respect all your posters telling us how great Knotek has been for you guys this year..... where I have a slight problem is when those posters diminish the contributions of other players (ie Champagne, Cassavant) for us and toss in stuff about character or crime issues... Doyle made a mistake.... happens to lots of young kids and shouldn't need to be brought up in a thread discussing Thomas Knotek's trade value.. so that comment was not priceless as you said... i actually thought it was distasteful I do respect your opinion of you players and any GM has to make trades that improve his team and help them reach their goals. Whether it is to rebuild or to make a run for the top. A lot of the trades made in the Q are because teams are at different stages in the cycle. As for canbeer's comment I though it was witty, it made me laugh. It was tongue in cheek as the comment was on Thomas's character not on anyones else. Just my sense of humour.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 17:04:08 GMT -4
Post by canbeer on Nov 24, 2009 17:04:08 GMT -4
Saying it's an offer of 2 player plus a pick means nothing. How about Lemiux, Pelletier and a 9th for Champagne... would that seem about right? It's about the quality of the assets. Is Corbo, Street or a late pick likely to be an important piece in helping Halifax contend. Quality not a "reclamation project". The fact that Street has scored most of his goals and points vs. Halifax doesn't help his case. If Halifax is looking for a good deal on an 18 yo reclamation player that they like it would be for a 5th round pick or if they want to move a Metcalfe or depth player... they don't target a reclamation project, a late pick and a 16 year old who can't currently cut it in the Q with their top player and most marketable asset.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 17:20:43 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2009 17:20:43 GMT -4
Knotek would be a huge loss for us but right now if he keeps producing at the rate he is I don't see Cam trading him!!!! Unless he can't get a good deal it would be dumb NOT to trade him.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 17:35:53 GMT -4
Post by howitzer on Nov 24, 2009 17:35:53 GMT -4
I agree PEI is an unlikely trading partner when it comes to Knotek. The only way a deal makes sense would be through a 3 way deal. Other then that, their needs, and our needs, don't match at all.
So forget about PEI, and lets forget for a minute that Knotek will, in all likelyhood, have the final say in whether he gets dealt, and where etc etc, what teams are candidates, and what players fit the bill for us? When you break it down, it's tough to pinpoint a market for him, if there even is one. Just quickly:
-Saint John - no -Drummondville - Maybe, they don't have any euros at the moment. But doubt Knotek would want to go there. -Victo - no, already 2 high end euros. -Quebec - I say maybe, only if Delmas is out for the year, they may have to shuffle a bit, and Stefanovich taking up 2 spots (euro, 20) they could offload him. -CB - they make sense, only because Knotek would give them more then Hertberg, and CB is close to Halifax, but I can't see a deal. -Rouyn - They only have one euro, they need forward depth, and even though they're only a tick over .500 it makes sense, but no way in hell Knotek agrees to there. Plus word is Ostapchuk could come back, so they're a no. -Gatineau - no, 2 good euros. and the list probably ends with Moncton, who I'll say are a maybe, but they also don't seem willing to make nig changes.
Tough to figure where Cam could work out a deal.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 18:14:32 GMT -4
Post by Murph on Nov 24, 2009 18:14:32 GMT -4
Oligny is already better than Bishop.. upside be damned..... and Escott will be in the Q for 2 more years and despite his game being somewhat soft... he does put points on the board and as a 19-20 he should be one of the better playmakers in the Atlantic Division so while I respect your opinion that losing a half season of Knotek may not be worth it to you.. I hope you can respect mine that making those kinds of trades would result in us essentially losing a franchise.... I respect all your posters telling us how great Knotek has been for you guys this year..... where I have a slight problem is when those posters diminish the contributions of other players (ie Champagne, Cassavant) for us and toss in stuff about character or crime issues... Doyle made a mistake.... happens to lots of young kids and shouldn't need to be brought up in a thread discussing Thomas Knotek's trade value.. so that comment was not priceless as you said... i actually thought it was distasteful Unfortunately for you, you want something, without having to pay for it. If PEI is going to be a serious buyer, they need a top line defenceman, a top line forward, and some grit/grinder type for the 3rd line. If you want to add all that, you have to be prepared to pay. If you just want to tinker...... roll the dice...... and not get serious about getting out of the 1st round, then David Stich could probably be had for a guy like Street and a 2nd or 3rd rounder. PEI needs a top line forward. Knotek is just that. Do you think Street and a pick lands you Legace? Sauve? Not even close. Teams last year, settled for their high end assets as future considerations (Cornet, Petersen, Hoffman, etc.), but Halifax won't be interested by that (unless you're talking Duffy). Knotek would certainly have lesser value than those guys, being a euro, but he's worth two very good assets. He's worth more than Joly went for last year, which is a far cry from what you're trying to peddle. Street is not a good asset. He's a guy you add to a deal, when you've already given up a high end asset. Street and a 1st.... that sounds like a deal. You're playing him off as a center-piece. He's 18, and doesn't project to be a 20 year old for the Mooseheads (behind Randall, Bernard and Corbeil). What value does he have for the Mooseheads? This year, Halifax is going nowhere, and next year, Street's likely a 3rd line 19 year old, blocking an equally productive 17 year old. Street could break out. He could be a Haddad maybe. But that isn't very likely. The guy's 18, and when you trade for a player that age, it's time to realize that potential, doesn't carry a lot of weight. What you see, is pretty much what you get, and Street looks like a solid player, but nothing more than a 3rd liner.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 18:42:38 GMT -4
Post by chsb on Nov 24, 2009 18:42:38 GMT -4
With all the gorgeous offers popping up for Knotek, I am very curious to see how Eric Faille would be valued, him taking only 1 OA spot....
This is getting funny.....really....
Knotek, Tomas 26 14 12 26 Faille, Éric 27 13 13 26
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 18:48:36 GMT -4
Post by lalalaprise on Nov 24, 2009 18:48:36 GMT -4
With all the gorgeous offers popping up for Knotek, I am very curious to see how Eric Faille would be valued, him taking only 1 OA spot.... This is getting funny.....really.... Knotek, Tomas 26 14 12 26 Faille, Éric 27 13 13 26 If BAT decides to make Faille available he wont be cheap.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 19:04:25 GMT -4
Post by Murph on Nov 24, 2009 19:04:25 GMT -4
With all the gorgeous offers popping up for Knotek, I am very curious to see how Eric Faille would be valued, him taking only 1 OA spot.... This is getting funny.....really.... Knotek, Tomas 26 14 12 26 Faille, Éric 27 13 13 26 If BAT decides to make Faille available he wont be cheap. Agree. But the thing hurting Faille is there are a lot more overagers out there on the market, than euros.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 21:28:02 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 21:28:02 GMT -4
With all the gorgeous offers popping up for Knotek, I am very curious to see how Eric Faille would be valued, him taking only 1 OA spot.... This is getting funny.....really.... Knotek, Tomas 26 14 12 26 Faille, Éric 27 13 13 26 Faille is a good player........ How is this funny? I would prefer Knotek over Faille but that is subjective. How is this thread funny......... Please post when you can add something.........otherwise........while I wont say what I am thinking But FO
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Nov 25, 2009 8:51:49 GMT -4
Post by chsb on Nov 25, 2009 8:51:49 GMT -4
With all the gorgeous offers popping up for Knotek, I am very curious to see how Eric Faille would be valued, him taking only 1 OA spot.... This is getting funny.....really.... Knotek, Tomas 26 14 12 26 Faille, Éric 27 13 13 26 Faille is a good player........ How is this funny? I would prefer Knotek over Faille but that is subjective. How is this thread funny......... Please post when you can add something.........otherwise........while I wont say what I am thinking But FO Someone suggested Oligny and a first round pick for Knotek. If Faille could be worth that much, I would do the trade in a heartbeat, but I know that it is fantasyland to expect that.
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Knotek
Nov 25, 2009 8:58:55 GMT -4
Post by Beaver Banker on Nov 25, 2009 8:58:55 GMT -4
Faille is a good player........ How is this funny? I would prefer Knotek over Faille but that is subjective. How is this thread funny......... Please post when you can add something.........otherwise........while I wont say what I am thinking But FO Someone suggested Oligny and a first round pick for Knotek. If Faille could be worth that much, I would do the trade in a heartbeat, but I know that it is fantasyland to expect that. So to translate: You think Faille and Knotek are both excellent players, with similar values. This value, however is considerably less than the "Oligny and a 1st" offer mentioned above. Therefore, if someone were to offer you Oligny and a 1st for Faille, you'd jump on that deal, as Halifax should if the same offer were presented for Knotek. Is that right? I'm not saying I disagree, I'm just trying to make sure I understand.
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Knotek
Nov 25, 2009 9:02:58 GMT -4
Post by Murph on Nov 25, 2009 9:02:58 GMT -4
Faille is a good player........ How is this funny? I would prefer Knotek over Faille but that is subjective. How is this thread funny......... Please post when you can add something.........otherwise........while I wont say what I am thinking But FO Someone suggested Oligny and a first round pick for Knotek. If Faille could be worth that much, I would do the trade in a heartbeat, but I know that it is fantasyland to expect that. I have gone back through the thread, and I don't see Oligny and a 1st round pick posted anywhere as a reasonable, or realistic trade. I see Oligny or[/i] a 1st round pick though.
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