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Post by falcon on May 29, 2010 11:54:22 GMT -4
First off let me say that I wouldn't be surprised to see the Moose hang onto Thomas until after training camp. That said, I had a quick scan of potential teams he may accept a trade to. To me the potential partners would be Montreal and Quebec, Bathurst would be a good fit as well but Im not sure Knotek would go there and besides GM in training CHSB has stated that the Titan expect great things from the Euro duo on the protected list.
All three of these teams have a nice cupboard full of high picks to get a deal done. Thoughts?
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Post by Murph on May 29, 2010 14:31:50 GMT -4
I don't think anybody will be willing to give up a high pick for Knotek right now. For one, most teams don't know what their euro, or overage situation will be like until at least after the euro draft. Knotek is also a candidate to get an AHL deal, and not even return to junior, so there's risk in adding him in June for the other team.
Halifax doesn't have to release him to make their selection in the euro draft, so there's no panic on their end. Wost case for Halifax, is all the potential contenders are set with euro's and 20's, and the Moose deal him to an non-contender, who probably gives up a 4th or something. Right now, I can't see anybody giving up a 2nd for him given the uncertainty around him.
Best case for Halifax, is a couple teams (like Montreal and Bathurst) have both holes come end of September, and then Halifax can cash in and get quality value for him.
It's not the same situation for Knotek this year as far as vetoing any deals (like he did with VDO). He's already said if he can't turn pro, he'd accept a deal to any team.
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Post by chsb on May 31, 2010 14:48:47 GMT -4
Looking at OA Euro trades in the last few years:
1-in 08-09: David Stich to Montreal for a 3rd 2010
-Simon Ollson to BC for a 5th 2010
2- in 07-08: Patrick Prokop to Drummond for a 6th 2009 and a 3rd 2010 .
Thomas Svoboda to Bathurst for free.
3- in 06-07: None
So I would not put my hopes too high if I was a Moose fan....
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 31, 2010 15:13:10 GMT -4
Looking at OA Euro trades in the last few years: 1-in 08-09: David Stich to Montreal for a 3rd 2010 -Simon Ollson to BC for a 5th 2010 2- in 07-08: Patrick Prokop to Drummond for a 6th 2009 and a 3rd 2010 . Thomas Svoboda to Bathurst for free. 3- in 06-07: None So I would not put my hopes too high if I was a Moose fan.... I'm pretty sure Svoboda was related to a prior deal that had happened at midseason. Don't think he was "free" as you seem to think. I think in the off season a guy like Knotek could be moved for a 2nd rounder or a good but not great young player...considering he is 20, it's a deal Halifax should take if it's there. |
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Post by oilers4ever on May 31, 2010 22:24:04 GMT -4
I don't think any deal happens until the other team is assured that he is returning to North America. So it will not happen before the Draft, maybe just before the season starts
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2010 8:07:55 GMT -4
I don't think any deal happens until the other team is assured that he is returning to North America. So it will not happen before the Draft, maybe just before the season starts The good news for Halifax is they can keep him as insurance for their 2nd Euro to agree to report, then trade him in August or September, as he doesn't even use a 50 player protected list spot. |
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Post by lalalaprise on Jun 1, 2010 8:09:42 GMT -4
Yeah, im not expecting Knotek to be traded before August...if he does ill be surprised.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 1, 2010 8:53:05 GMT -4
Looking at OA Euro trades in the last few years: 1-in 08-09: David Stich to Montreal for a 3rd 2010 -Simon Ollson to BC for a 5th 2010 2- in 07-08: Patrick Prokop to Drummond for a 6th 2009 and a 3rd 2010 . Thomas Svoboda to Bathurst for free. 3- in 06-07: None So I would not put my hopes too high if I was a Moose fan.... Svoboda was traded for a 5th or 6th. I can't remember which of the 2 it was. |
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Post by moosefan25 on Jun 3, 2010 20:07:18 GMT -4
Can you draft a Euro (Maybe a Russian who would not report this year) and keep the two current Euros for the whole season? Or is there a drop dead date that three Europeans can not be on a teams roster during the season?
Either way I can't see trading Knotek this weekend or even before the season starts. Scoring isn't something the Mooseheads can be trading away!
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 4, 2010 8:08:03 GMT -4
Can you draft a Euro (Maybe a Russian who would not report this year) and keep the two current Euros for the whole season? Or is there a drop dead date that three Europeans can not be on a teams roster during the season? Either way I can't see trading Knotek this weekend or even before the season starts. Scoring isn't something the Mooseheads can be trading away! As soon as the season starts ... if Knotek is in your starting lineup ... you have 2 weeks to part ways with one of your 3 Euros. If Knotek is elsewhere (ECHL perhaps) then you can keep all 3 since Knotek goes on the "special list". But if Knotek decides to return to the Q ... then you have 2 weeks to move one out. |
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Post by jimmy on Jun 4, 2010 8:30:42 GMT -4
Can you draft a Euro (Maybe a Russian who would not report this year) and keep the two current Euros for the whole season? Or is there a drop dead date that three Europeans can not be on a teams roster during the season? Either way I can't see trading Knotek this weekend or even before the season starts. Scoring isn't something the Mooseheads can be trading away! As soon as the season starts ... if Knotek is in your starting lineup ... you have 2 weeks to part ways with one of your 3 Euros. If Knotek is elsewhere (ECHL perhaps) then you can keep all 3 since Knotek goes on the "special list". But if Knotek decides to return to the Q ... then you have 2 weeks to move one out. I think if you draft a guy that does not report, he also goes on a special list, allowing you to bring back Knotek. Not sure about exactly how it works, but pretty sure there is a way. |
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 4, 2010 8:39:02 GMT -4
As soon as the season starts ... if Knotek is in your starting lineup ... you have 2 weeks to part ways with one of your 3 Euros. If Knotek is elsewhere (ECHL perhaps) then you can keep all 3 since Knotek goes on the "special list". But if Knotek decides to return to the Q ... then you have 2 weeks to move one out. I think if you draft a guy that does not report, he also goes on a special list, allowing you to bring back Knotek. Not sure about exactly how it works, but pretty sure there is a way. I think the guy that does not report only goes on that special list after missing an entire season. In that first year ... if Knotek shows up and plays ... I think you have to delete the guy that didn't report. Otherwise ... they could draft a guy ... tell him to stay home til November ... play Knotek for the first half and then deal him at Xmas ... all the while the new guy is practicing with the team for a few months ... maybe attends the WJC ... and getting accustomed to the culture shock. Sounds like a great plan ... but why isn't anybody else doing it ? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 4, 2010 8:49:34 GMT -4
I think if you draft a guy that does not report, he also goes on a special list, allowing you to bring back Knotek. Not sure about exactly how it works, but pretty sure there is a way. I think the guy that does not report only goes on that special list after missing an entire season. In that first year ... if Knotek shows up and plays ... I think you have to delete the guy that didn't report. Otherwise ... they could draft a guy ... tell him to stay home til November ... play Knotek for the first half and then deal him at Xmas ... all the while the new guy is practicing with the team for a few months ... maybe attends the WJC ... and getting accustomed to the culture shock. Sounds like a great plan ... but why isn't anybody else doing it ? That's correct, the way that rule works is...if you draft player X that doesn't report and you have player Y on your roster who is also on your roster. At that point if you trade with Victo for player Z that season, you have to drop player X from your 50 man roster after 2 weeks I believe. If players X stays on your roster all year without reporting and you only have 1 Euro, then at the end of the season he goes on your "special" list and you can have 2 other Euros(current or draft that year). I can think of 2 such situations, with Shkotov drafted in 2002 and showing in 2003 along with 2003 picks Karsums and Zakharov. It also happened with Sherbrooke having drafted Stehlik in 2001 and Balaz and Igloo in 2002 and all 3 were in camp for them until they traded Igloo to CB(Ithink). |
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