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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jul 14, 2011 18:21:23 GMT -4
To put things in perspective...Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Brett Connelly, Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, etc etc...all put up over a ppg in their 16 year old season....if MacKinnon cant do that than he probably isnt as good as a lot of people think... RNH and Connolly were under a PPG as 16 year olds; barely under but still under (RNH: 65 PTS in 67 GP, Connolly 60 in 65). Hall was way over 84 in 63 and Seguin was 67 in 61. How did RNH get to play some games at 15? Something to do with a Bantam rather than midget draft and can play after season done or something?
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Post by lalalaprise on Jul 14, 2011 18:27:18 GMT -4
To put things in perspective...Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Brett Connelly, Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, etc etc...all put up over a ppg in their 16 year old season....if MacKinnon cant do that than he probably isnt as good as a lot of people think... RNH and Connolly were under a PPG as 16 year olds; barely under but still under (RNH: 65 PTS in 67 GP, Connolly 60 in 65). Hall was way over 84 in 63 and Seguin was 67 in 61. Should double check my stats...that being said MacKinnon should put up #'s somewhere between Hall and Seguin id say.
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Post by lalalaprise on Jul 14, 2011 18:28:17 GMT -4
RNH and Connolly were under a PPG as 16 year olds; barely under but still under (RNH: 65 PTS in 67 GP, Connolly 60 in 65). Hall was way over 84 in 63 and Seguin was 67 in 61. How did RNH get to play some games at 15? Something to do with a Bantam rather than midget draft and can play after season done or something? WHL teams can call up 15 year olds to play up to 5 games as an AP and than when their club team is eliminated they dont have a limit on the amount of games they can dress a 15 year old. They draft out of Bantam...
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Post by MikeC on Jul 14, 2011 18:44:22 GMT -4
RNH and Connolly were under a PPG as 16 year olds; barely under but still under (RNH: 65 PTS in 67 GP, Connolly 60 in 65). Hall was way over 84 in 63 and Seguin was 67 in 61. Should double check my stats...that being said MacKinnon should put up #'s somewhere between Hall and Seguin id say. That's what I'm thinking too. He'll play around 60 games and get around 75 pts. There's a lot of offensive potential though in both MacKinnon and 6-7 others, and it would only take a couple of them having accelerated breakout years for MacKinnon to have the chance of putting up some really big numbers.
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Post by defresh101 on Jul 14, 2011 19:18:47 GMT -4
Should double check my stats...that being said MacKinnon should put up #'s somewhere between Hall and Seguin id say. That's what I'm thinking too. He'll play around 60 games and get around 75 pts. There's a lot of offensive potential though in both MacKinnon and 6-7 others, and it would only take a couple of them having accelerated breakout years for MacKinnon to have the chance of putting up some really big numbers. There is a good chance of a domino effect. A healthy Ciampini, a Frk that gets better with more talent next to him, a Grenier that builds on what he already started, plus a more mature forward corps could all turn out interesting.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jul 14, 2011 19:32:23 GMT -4
Can Grenier play left-wing? Seems we could do with one of the RW (Frk, Ashley, Grenier) moving.
I'm really interesting to see how they go with the lines and certain positions and which of Drouin/Ryan get tried at C.
I hope Andrews plays third-line centre rather than on the top 2.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 15, 2011 7:36:11 GMT -4
Is it fair or unfair to expect both these guys to contribute right away? Not so much lead the team offensively, but consistently produce? These 2 aren't your "typical" rookies right? Or do we need to just back off on expectations a bit? To put things in perspective...Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Brett Connelly, Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, etc etc...all put up over a ppg in their 16 year old season....if MacKinnon cant do that than he probably isnt as good as a lot of people think... I think MacKinnon will produce right away and be one of Halifax best players night in and night out....Drouin will probably go through some rookie lumps, maybe some 4th line time, but then he will get put on a scoring like an dhave 7 pts in 3 games...that sort of thing...more of an up and down year. You never know with rookies ... Sean Couturier had plenty of hype, and turned out to be an outstanding major junior player who went top 10 in the NHL draft (and was being talked about as a potential #1 for a while) ... he had 31 points in 58 games as a 16 year old. Huberdeau had 35 in 61 games as a 16 year old - and he went #3 in the NHL draft. I just hope MacKinnon doesn't suffer from the burden of sky high expectations of home town fans ... if he puts up 30-40 points at 16, that does not mean he is a flop ... but you get the sense from reading the comments on here that many would perceive it as such.
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Post by oilers4ever on Jul 15, 2011 7:45:59 GMT -4
Wouldn't anything less then winning the scoring title be considered a flop. They gave up 2 players and 3 first round draft picks for a player that most think will only play 2-3 years before being in the NHL
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jul 15, 2011 8:01:07 GMT -4
.....ADAM!!!!!
ADAM where are you buddy? Lets hear what u have to say about the events of the Summer so far.
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Post by Citris on Jul 15, 2011 8:35:55 GMT -4
.....ADAM!!!!! ADAM where are you buddy? Lets hear what u have to say about the events of the Summer so far. lol. hes probably composing a 2-page long cynical rant about how terrible the Mooseheads are doing this summer
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Post by Angry Pirate on Jul 15, 2011 10:00:51 GMT -4
To put things in perspective...Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Brett Connelly, Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, etc etc...all put up over a ppg in their 16 year old season....if MacKinnon cant do that than he probably isnt as good as a lot of people think... I think MacKinnon will produce right away and be one of Halifax best players night in and night out....Drouin will probably go through some rookie lumps, maybe some 4th line time, but then he will get put on a scoring like an dhave 7 pts in 3 games...that sort of thing...more of an up and down year. You never know with rookies ... Sean Couturier had plenty of hype, and turned out to be an outstanding major junior player who went top 10 in the NHL draft (and was being talked about as a potential #1 for a while) ... he had 31 points in 58 games as a 16 year old. Huberdeau had 35 in 61 games as a 16 year old - and he went #3 in the NHL draft. I just hope MacKinnon doesn't suffer from the burden of sky high expectations of home town fans ... if he puts up 30-40 points at 16, that does not mean he is a flop ... but you get the sense from reading the comments on here that many would perceive it as such. Your right, It hardly means he's a flop. But it will me that this was a terrible trade for us. Obviously not financially as the buzz around the Mooseheads is huge right now. Hope they can maintain it until September. But if MacKinnon only puts up 30-40 points this year than I'd say we were better off with Gelinas and Turbide and our 3 first round picks. Low end I'm hoping for 50, with somewhere between 50-60 making this a good "hockey trade", taking everything else (ticket sales, merchandise, etc) out of the equation. Ideally, if he plays on the top line with Grenier and Frk we'll see him put up in the 60-70 range. I'll be over the moon with 70+.
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 15, 2011 10:17:18 GMT -4
7-12 is a pretty huge difference. Last year, the teams on either extreme were Shawinigan and Rimouski. Rimouski wasn`t even a .500 team and Shawinigan had 87 points and a +48 goal differential.
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Post by eastcoastfan on Jul 15, 2011 11:26:34 GMT -4
.....ADAM!!!!! ADAM where are you buddy? Lets hear what u have to say about the events of the Summer so far. I wonder what donger thinks of the moves that the "baboon" has pulled off this summer.
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Post by Qfan69 on Jul 15, 2011 11:51:24 GMT -4
I was thinking about him and how many points he can put up. And Lala compared him to boys who were top drafted players to the NHL. The big thin is the players he named play in the O and West, both better defensive leagues. So if MacKinnon is on the same scale as them he should put up a touch better in a weaker league. I'm thinking he'll play 60 to 65 games (under 17s/ maybe world jr camp invite, big maybe) and a bit better then a point a game. Were looking at 70 to 75ish.
His line mates was another thing I was thinking of. I think Frk is going to be his right winger. I would like to see Luca on the left. Reason being he'll be here next year and that could be a line for 2 years instead of a one and done with Grenier. Someone was saying not to put Ryan at center but him Grenier and Ashley would be a strong second line. Then you gotta look at PP time. We will have the strongest PP we had in a long time. Throw a line of MacKinnon Grenier Luca and Frk and Abby run the point. I like the look of that.
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Post by howitzer on Jul 15, 2011 16:26:15 GMT -4
Wouldn't anything less then winning the scoring title be considered a flop. You can't be serious.....
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