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Post by Murph on Apr 1, 2014 8:21:39 GMT -4
The paying customer typically demands to know why players are out of the line up. They pay money to watch these guys. So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer. However, that doesn't mean the team has to be truthful with that information. Jonathan Drouin missed time with a "groin" injury earlier in the year, and Logan McMillian suffering from "extreme fatigue" a few years back, gives fans their explanation but doesn't disclose the actual nature of why they're out of the lineup violating any private info.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 8:45:47 GMT -4
I can understand why any team wouldn't disclose the exact nature of an injury during playoff time; all I would like is to know appx how long a player is out for.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 1, 2014 8:51:16 GMT -4
I can understand why any team wouldn't disclose the exact nature of an injury during playoff time; all I would like is to know appx how long a player is out for. It's almost impossible to tell with a concussion (Which we can only assume Ashley has). We've listed the concussion protocol before, but simply put, he has to be symptom free for a week before he can even start skating. If symptoms re-occur, he has to start over. That's why "day to day" is the best way to put it. I always like to know the extent of a player's injury, just because it affects the team obviously. But if a team/player wants to keep that information confidental, I have no issue with that. We have enough media covering the team that if any information is known, we'll know about it soon enough.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 1, 2014 9:12:17 GMT -4
The paying customer typically demands to know why players are out of the line up. They pay money to watch these guys. So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer. However, that doesn't mean the team has to be truthful with that information. Jonathan Drouin missed time with a "groin" injury earlier in the year, and Logan McMillian suffering from "extreme fatigue" a few years back, gives fans their explanation but doesn't disclose the actual nature of why they're out of the lineup violating any private info. The team has no right to disclose the injury unless the player or parent (for a minor) approve the release of that information. When you make a media release you are informing everybody of what the condition is ... not just the paying customer. The paying customer has no "right" to know anything about the players problems. They certainly have a desire to know the information but they don't have the right. Sports teams and media have been reporting on injuries to athletes for years ... but privacy laws have only really taken hold in the last 10 years. It is time that sports teams get up with the times and follow the rules. I get a kick out of an NHL Coach giving his daily press conference and being grilled on player injuries and how long a player will be out and how he is feeling today. I can't wait for the day that the Coach actually says ... "the players medical condition is a privacy issue that am not permitted to comment on by law ... you'll have to ask him".
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 1, 2014 9:13:01 GMT -4
I can understand why any team wouldn't disclose the exact nature of an injury during playoff time; all I would like is to know appx how long a player is out for. And that should be fine ... you aren't discussing the medical issue ... just the absence from the lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 9:19:00 GMT -4
I can understand why any team wouldn't disclose the exact nature of an injury during playoff time; all I would like is to know appx how long a player is out for. It's almost impossible to tell with a concussion (Which we can only assume Ashley has). We've listed the concussion protocol before, but simply put, he has to be symptom free for a week before he can even start skating. If symptoms re-occur, he has to start over. That's why "day to day" is the best way to put it. I always like to know the extent of a player's injury, just because it affects the team obviously. But if a team/player wants to keep that information confidental, I have no issue with that. We have enough media covering the team that if any information is known, we'll know about it soon enough. And if it is a concussion then that explains why we won't know if he is back in until he is back in then.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 1, 2014 9:21:31 GMT -4
It's almost impossible to tell with a concussion (Which we can only assume Ashley has). We've listed the concussion protocol before, but simply put, he has to be symptom free for a week before he can even start skating. If symptoms re-occur, he has to start over. That's why "day to day" is the best way to put it. I always like to know the extent of a player's injury, just because it affects the team obviously. But if a team/player wants to keep that information confidental, I have no issue with that. We have enough media covering the team that if any information is known, we'll know about it soon enough. And if it is a concussion then that explains why we won't know if he is back in until he is back in then. You'll probably find out when he is skating again ... and that might give you an indication when he is close to being back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 10:50:23 GMT -4
I would prefer to have all 3 of them back but if it were to be only 2 , which it is of coures, I would prefer Andrew and Hardie over Ashley. Andrews for depth at center and PK, Hardie which we need for defence so Lussier and Lovell don't have to play as much. Ashley is a hard worker but I can see Gatineau playing a more sophisticated, subtler version of what teams have been trying to do for weeks/months and Ashley is susceptible to taking bad penalties and Gatineau would have been targetting him for sure.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 1, 2014 10:52:22 GMT -4
I am ok with knowing generally what a players injury is. I don't really have to know and I understand medical stuff is covered under privacy laws. I do think when u play hockey at this level a hockey related injury is an ok thing to let the fans in on. You don't seem to understand what privacy is. It has nothing to do with you being ok in knowing what a player's injury is. It isn't about you at all. Thanks for clarifying Steve.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 1, 2014 11:28:32 GMT -4
I'd like to see Ashley back, simply because I'd like to see him finish his jr career on the ice instead of the pressbox.
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Post by Murph on Apr 1, 2014 12:08:33 GMT -4
The paying customer typically demands to know why players are out of the line up. They pay money to watch these guys. So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer. However, that doesn't mean the team has to be truthful with that information. Jonathan Drouin missed time with a "groin" injury earlier in the year, and Logan McMillian suffering from "extreme fatigue" a few years back, gives fans their explanation but doesn't disclose the actual nature of why they're out of the lineup violating any private info. The team has no right to disclose the injury unless the player or parent (for a minor) approve the release of that information. When you make a media release you are informing everybody of what the condition is ... not just the paying customer. The paying customer has no "right" to know anything about the players problems. They certainly have a desire to know the information but they don't have the right. Sports teams and media have been reporting on injuries to athletes for years ... but privacy laws have only really taken hold in the last 10 years. It is time that sports teams get up with the times and follow the rules. I get a kick out of an NHL Coach giving his daily press conference and being grilled on player injuries and how long a player will be out and how he is feeling today. I can't wait for the day that the Coach actually says ... "the players medical condition is a privacy issue that am not permitted to comment on by law ... you'll have to ask him". I didn't say they had a right. You're the one arguing "rights". Who are you debating that point with?
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Post by stooy44 on Apr 1, 2014 12:32:46 GMT -4
It is good that both teams are healthy, all of the best players are in the lineups! I really think this is going to be some great hockey.
A question to Moosehead fans? Am I right in believing that your club is NOT any kind of a goon squad, and that your boys stick to hockey as long as the other team does? This is certainly the way the Olympiques play hockey. I am hoping for a fast, clean (but tough) brand of hockey for this series.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 1, 2014 12:38:54 GMT -4
It is good that both teams are healthy, all of the best players are in the lineups! I really think this is going to be some great hockey. A question to Moosehead fans? Am I right in believing that your club is NOT any kind of a goon squad, and that your boys stick to hockey as long as the other team does? This is certainly the way the Olympiques play hockey. I am hoping for a fast, clean (but tough) brand of hockey for this series. Only if we're losing. As long as we're winning we don't play dirty. Darcy Ashley is a pretty significant loss. 80 points in 48 regular season games, and plays in every situation. But other than that, we're healthy.
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Post by Citris on Apr 1, 2014 13:52:14 GMT -4
It is good that both teams are healthy, all of the best players are in the lineups! I really think this is going to be some great hockey. A question to Moosehead fans? Am I right in believing that your club is NOT any kind of a goon squad, and that your boys stick to hockey as long as the other team does? This is certainly the way the Olympiques play hockey. I am hoping for a fast, clean (but tough) brand of hockey for this series. Well Darcy is probably our chippiest player after whistles and whatnot, and he's out. The only time I've found the team "goonish" or dirty this year is when they were looking for revenge, once against Quebec for the Drouin hit from behind and once against CB for the Hache hit on Gadoury. I'm hearing a lot of people say Halifax may be overrated because they're in a weak division, which is true that we're in the weaker division, however I think we are highly underrated because of it. Our record isn't just a result of the weak division. The Mooseheads are stronger than a lot of people realize. Especially since one of our biggest trips to Quebec this season was with 9 guys out of the line-up and before Gadoury. We need this series against Gatineau because we have to play against a competitive group; Mooseheads have home ice and Gatineau would have to beat them in the Metro Center to win the series. the 2-3-2 format could work in the 'Piqes favor, but I'd be surprised if this one goes past 5 games. Then again I know I'm a bit biased as well. Steeves is going to have to be great and they're going to need to get Reway off the point on the PP. He's far too exploitable for players like Drouin, Ehlers and Andrews. If Gatineau sticks to their guns and keeps him back there, I'd expect at least 2-3 shorthanded goals from the Moose in this series. Here's a question for you, how has Alexis Pepin been since the trade? His numbers are much better since leaving the island. I always thought he was lazy, do you think the trade lit a fire under him? The stats sure seem to indicate that.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 1, 2014 13:56:42 GMT -4
The team has no right to disclose the injury unless the player or parent (for a minor) approve the release of that information. When you make a media release you are informing everybody of what the condition is ... not just the paying customer. The paying customer has no "right" to know anything about the players problems. They certainly have a desire to know the information but they don't have the right. Sports teams and media have been reporting on injuries to athletes for years ... but privacy laws have only really taken hold in the last 10 years. It is time that sports teams get up with the times and follow the rules. I get a kick out of an NHL Coach giving his daily press conference and being grilled on player injuries and how long a player will be out and how he is feeling today. I can't wait for the day that the Coach actually says ... "the players medical condition is a privacy issue that am not permitted to comment on by law ... you'll have to ask him". I didn't say they had a right. You're the one arguing "rights". Who are you debating that point with? You said this ... "So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer" ... and I said they have no right to do that ... they are not obligated to disclose anything to the fans. The team doesn't even have a right to discuss the players condition with the team doctor.
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