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Post by Conky on Nov 19, 2014 19:34:37 GMT -4
looks like willys planning the parade for cb after reading his article today. i guess beating the powerhouse moose means a lot
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Post by guru on Nov 19, 2014 20:50:31 GMT -4
I agree. Trying to create controversy where none exists for one's own personal amusement doesn't interest me either. That is why I'm not a fan of Skip Bayless.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 20, 2014 10:00:30 GMT -4
I think when you have teammates that are minors and are dealing in DUI's and cocaine possession that the team needs to completely seperate that individual from the rest of the team for everyones own good. You can help the guy get help without putting him back on the ice. I agree with supporting him, but not through putting him back on the ice. Release him and help him through his medical issues and more importantly do whats best for the 22 players remaining. Sure ... but innocent until proven guilty still holds true. So the team stands with him until it is proven that he broke the law and team rules ... and then you release him into the care of his parents. The league also has substance abuse rules that may give the Mooseheads no choice but to release him. But there is also this issue ... the Mooseheads have no business whatsoever knowing what is going on as this is a criminal matter between Vuic and his lawyer ... and the Police and Prosecutor. For Vuic to tell them what is going on could jeopardize his defense ... and he certainly won't talk to the media. The Mooseheads also have zero right to inform the media what is going on. All they can talk about is his involvement with the team. To be honest, considering what the climate is in professional sports right now, I am surprised the league hasn't gotten involved. Look at the heat the NFL got over the Ray Rice situation, and how they have subsequently handled the Adrian Peterson matter. Also, look at how the NHL has come off in a more positive light for their proactive handling of the Voynov matter. It would not be a total shock if the league were to say to any player who finds themselves facing charges that they are suspended indefinitely pending resolution for conduct detrimental to the image of the league. If the player and his lawyer refused to cooperate with a league investigation (which would be their right, as you allude to above), I think the league would be within their rights to suspend the player until the player is either cleared of charges or has served their time, whichever the case may be. Something tells me Branch in the OHL would rule with an iron fist on this type of matter ... perhaps not.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 20, 2014 10:57:51 GMT -4
Sure ... but innocent until proven guilty still holds true. So the team stands with him until it is proven that he broke the law and team rules ... and then you release him into the care of his parents. The league also has substance abuse rules that may give the Mooseheads no choice but to release him. But there is also this issue ... the Mooseheads have no business whatsoever knowing what is going on as this is a criminal matter between Vuic and his lawyer ... and the Police and Prosecutor. For Vuic to tell them what is going on could jeopardize his defense ... and he certainly won't talk to the media. The Mooseheads also have zero right to inform the media what is going on. All they can talk about is his involvement with the team. To be honest, considering what the climate is in professional sports right now, I am surprised the league hasn't gotten involved. Look at the heat the NFL got over the Ray Rice situation, and how they have subsequently handled the Adrian Peterson matter. Also, look at how the NHL has come off in a more positive light for their proactive handling of the Voynov matter. It would not be a total shock if the league were to say to any player who finds themselves facing charges that they are suspended indefinitely pending resolution for conduct detrimental to the image of the league. If the player and his lawyer refused to cooperate with a league investigation (which would be their right, as you allude to above), I think the league would be within their rights to suspend the player until the player is either cleared of charges or has served their time, whichever the case may be. Something tells me Branch in the OHL would rule with an iron fist on this type of matter ... perhaps not. I'm willing to bet that the league doesn't want to have anymore lawsuits at this time. Suspending a player until the issue is resolved isn't really the same as suspending you or I from our place employment ... essentially sending us home for a paid vacation with no end date. Suspending a hockey player in a developmental league, where there is an age limit, takes away an opportunity he has signed on for, takes away precious development time, and opportunities to be seen by scouts. This isn't like a dirty hit that the league can investigate ... they aren't even qualified to investigate this. The best position they can take is wait for the issue to get through the courts ... and then react accordingly. If they suspend him now ... it could take 6 months before this is resolved ... and he misses the rest of the season. Then come to find out that he was determined to be not guilty. Guess who could then sue the Q and win ... or at least work out a settlement. If they decide to suspend him for not being cooperative in their investigation ... from the instructions of his own lawyer ... they'll find themselves in a world of trouble. Branch's often over-reactions may catch up to him someday. It is fine for him to go nuts on suspending somebody for a dirty hit that he can review on video ... but criminal charges for a non-hockey incident should be none of his business. A year ago Branch would have been all over an issue like this ... but now with all of the lawsuits coming at the CHL, he is choosing his battles more wisely. Speaking of lawsuits ... I'm waiting for the day that a former enforcer that now suffers from post-concussion issues and maybe even PTSD ... decides to sue the Coaches and the teams he played for ... that tapped him on the shoulder to go out and fight the other team's tough guy. A guy like Cody Doucette that was always game ... but took some beatings along with winning fights.
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 20, 2014 11:41:27 GMT -4
Sure ... but innocent until proven guilty still holds true. So the team stands with him until it is proven that he broke the law and team rules ... and then you release him into the care of his parents. The league also has substance abuse rules that may give the Mooseheads no choice but to release him. But there is also this issue ... the Mooseheads have no business whatsoever knowing what is going on as this is a criminal matter between Vuic and his lawyer ... and the Police and Prosecutor. For Vuic to tell them what is going on could jeopardize his defense ... and he certainly won't talk to the media. The Mooseheads also have zero right to inform the media what is going on. All they can talk about is his involvement with the team. To be honest, considering what the climate is in professional sports right now, I am surprised the league hasn't gotten involved. Look at the heat the NFL got over the Ray Rice situation, and how they have subsequently handled the Adrian Peterson matter. Also, look at how the NHL has come off in a more positive light for their proactive handling of the Voynov matter. It would not be a total shock if the league were to say to any player who finds themselves facing charges that they are suspended indefinitely pending resolution for conduct detrimental to the image of the league. If the player and his lawyer refused to cooperate with a league investigation (which would be their right, as you allude to above), I think the league would be within their rights to suspend the player until the player is either cleared of charges or has served their time, whichever the case may be. Something tells me Branch in the OHL would rule with an iron fist on this type of matter ... perhaps not. The league is involved. If you read the Herald, and not the little bleeps from the Metro, Russell said they consulted with the League on this issue as its new territory with the team. Like explained by Steve its not exactly the same contracts/situation etc.
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Post by MikeC on Nov 20, 2014 20:29:35 GMT -4
Professional leagues have a Collective Bargaining Agreement with the Players that allows them to suspend players in that manner. As we are all aware, CHL players do not have a union, and no collective agreement. I'm not sure what is in the individual contracts as far as off-ice behaviour is concerned, but like Steve said, I'm sure the CHL doesn't want anymore law suits.
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Post by seαωo|f on Feb 9, 2015 16:20:37 GMT -4
Vuic pleads not guilty to charges of drunk-driving, blood alcohol level above .08 & possession of cocaine. Trial will take place on October 27th.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Feb 9, 2015 16:24:02 GMT -4
Vuic pleads not guilty to charges of drunk-driving, blood alcohol level above .08 & possession of cocaine. Trial will take place on October 27th. Man I hope Palov reported that first.
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Post by nsvees on Feb 9, 2015 16:57:19 GMT -4
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Post by crash on Feb 9, 2015 18:46:40 GMT -4
Vuic pleads not guilty to charges of drunk-driving, blood alcohol level above .08 & possession of cocaine. Trial will take place on October 27th. Man I hope Palov reported that first. No he didn't but he retweeted the story right after it was posted.
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Post by Gman on Feb 9, 2015 23:22:17 GMT -4
Vuic pleads not guilty to charges of drunk-driving, blood alcohol level above .08 & possession of cocaine. Trial will take place on October 27th. Damn that's a long wait. He won't even be a Moosehead on that date, so how will that work? I assume he'll go home after this season is over.
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 10, 2015 8:19:57 GMT -4
Vuic pleads not guilty to charges of drunk-driving, blood alcohol level above .08 & possession of cocaine. Trial will take place on October 27th. Damn that's a long wait. He won't even be a Moosehead on that date, so how will that work? I assume he'll go home after this season is over. I think he just asks for permission to leave the Province with a promise to return. I doubt he has any prior incidents that would indicate that he is a risk to not show up.
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Post by bois on Feb 10, 2015 11:06:01 GMT -4
long wait designed to let him finish his hockey season.... probably pleads out after the year is over
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Post by SteveUL on Feb 10, 2015 12:03:38 GMT -4
long wait designed to let him finish his hockey season.... probably pleads out after the year is over Yes, he probably will, if he feels he is guilty of course. But the long wait is pretty typical for matters like this. If he had plead guilty at the preliminary then it would be over ... but he'd probably be suspended from the Q. Now the Crown has to prepare for a trial and so does the defense ... while both juggle other matters ... so time is required.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 10, 2015 12:09:44 GMT -4
long wait designed to let him finish his hockey season.... probably pleads out after the year is over Doubt that has anything to do with it. I think that's a typical wait in a case like this after a not guilty plea.
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