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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 5, 2014 10:13:19 GMT -4
This will be a terrible decision, to try and make playoff noise with the group we have, in a year multiple teams will be adding for a run at a Memorial Cup berth. Seeing that, I am almost hoping for a December nose dive. Hopefully some forward thinking takes over by the time January comes around.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 5, 2014 10:13:48 GMT -4
Sure...why not trade away our first rounder this year and next and take a run at it. Yes hopefully Palov isn't getting the feel from Russell that they are going to go for it. If they put that out there to the league, maybe the price for our players goes up? Who knows. I will be totally pissed if they trade away picks to "go for it."
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 5, 2014 10:31:07 GMT -4
What real building blocks are in place in terms of players U18? They risk having some real down years if they just lose Fucale and Ehlers this year without retooling. that's where smart teams know when to sell and jump start a rebuild.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 10:31:37 GMT -4
This will be a terrible decision, to try and make playoff noise with the group we have, in a year multiple teams will be adding for a run at a Memorial Cup berth. Seeing that, I am almost hoping for a December nose dive. Hopefully some forward thinking takes over by the time January comes around. I'm really hoping Charlottetown has their A game on display tonight then. Not worried about Saint John because they have our number this year so far. I know it looks bad hoping for the team to lose but in the long term it is for the best. Hopefully Cam takes note of how hard it is for the team once Fucale, Ehlers and Meier are away at national camps/juniors and realizes what he is setting up for next year by not selling.
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 5, 2014 10:33:29 GMT -4
The 2 games this weekend you would expect to be the last wins until some of Ehlers, Meier, Fucale are back. That would seem to point to the weekend games as important in determining standings for the moose short term.
That would only cover much of the trade period and it would be a guess as to what management thinks things look like with a full team in January. Certainly Palov is just writing from the perspective of the average fan who sees the Moose close to the top. If some teams especially in the Maritime Division improve early in the trade period that may push the Moose one way or the other. SJ, Moncton, CB, Cha could all improve in some way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 10:34:18 GMT -4
What real building blocks are in place in terms of players U18? They risk having some real down years if they just lose Fucale and Ehlers this year without retooling. that's where smart teams know when to sell and jump start a rebuild. In total agreement- we do have Fortier and Nauss who are 17 and 16 respectively and we have a few 16s who are in midget but don't project as future stars. I really hope Cam has learned from the mistakes of the past and isn't turning into another Marcel Patenaude.
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Post by bois on Dec 5, 2014 10:35:18 GMT -4
what team has ever won 4 division titles in a row?
there are two sides to look at
also reading that article it really doesn't suggest Halifax will go for it... merely states that the division is up for grabs..... which is true
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 5, 2014 10:43:59 GMT -4
what team has ever won 4 division titles in a row? there are two sides to look at also reading that article it really doesn't suggest Halifax will go for it... merely states that the division is up for grabs..... which is true Never really thought of that. I guess I tend to not put much into the division title other than a bit of Maritime bragging rights. That can also come from having a teams number so not that big a deal. The league title, Memorial Cup made me forget.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 10:56:08 GMT -4
what team has ever won 4 division titles in a row? there are two sides to look at also reading that article it really doesn't suggest Halifax will go for it... merely states that the division is up for grabs..... which is true The Mooseheads haven't won 3 in a row like Willy says. They won in 2013 and 2014 but Saint John won in 2012. Maybe I am reading too much into it- I am clearly on the sell side of the fence and I am getting really antsy about not selling and even more about the possibility of buying. As for the streak the Mooseheads are currently on- they lucked out with Desrosiers having a horrible game, Moncton not playing Dubeau who has our number and their backup sucking and then playing some other bottomfeeders. Ehlers also went beast mode but that increases the likelihood he won't be back next year and makes trading him now even more important.
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Post by nsvees on Dec 5, 2014 14:57:22 GMT -4
I would like to think Cam Russell is smart enough to realize this is not the season to "go for it", and should begin to sell off his best assets to build for the future when the trading period begins. They have next to no assets to trade for a run and trading whatever ones they do have would be the dumbest thing Russell could do. The long term ramifications of doing that would be disasterous.
At this point Russell is just keeping his cards close to the vest. It's not his fault the rest of the division sucks.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 5, 2014 15:18:22 GMT -4
Two things I'm almost positive Ehlers can't be traded, we don't want Brassard he can't stop the puck lots of issues with that in CB. Not looking very likely we deal Fucale there would be a lot more hype this being his last weekend as a Moosehead if he was being dealt, seems all the other teams even those going for it are set in Goal. Why can't he be traded? No trade clauses are illegal...and even if he had one, I'm sure he'd agree to go play in Quebec to finish the season. Just common sense. How are no trades illegal exactly? We all know they exist, whether they're technically legal or not. This is a league that doesn't even enforce contracts for management of individual teams.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 5, 2014 15:23:12 GMT -4
Why can't he be traded? No trade clauses are illegal...and even if he had one, I'm sure he'd agree to go play in Quebec to finish the season. Just common sense. How are no trades illegal exactly? We all know they exist, whether they're technically legal or not. This is a league that doesn't even enforce contracts for management of individual teams. They are not enforceable.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 5, 2014 15:32:27 GMT -4
How are no trades illegal exactly? We all know they exist, whether they're technically legal or not. This is a league that doesn't even enforce contracts for management of individual teams. They are not enforceable. Not sure how. Certain players have certain conditions listed in their contracts restricting movement that are enforced. Bathurst didn't move a player they wanted to last year because of a NTC. How not enforceable was that? They don't enforce contracts of GM's but it doesn't make stipulations in their contracts illegal because the contract itself is not enforced by the league.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 5, 2014 16:05:30 GMT -4
They are not enforceable. Not sure how. Certain players have certain conditions listed in their contracts restricting movement that are enforced. Bathurst didn't move a player they wanted to last year because of a NTC. How not enforceable was that? They don't enforce contracts of GM's but it doesn't make stipulations in their contracts illegal because the contract itself is not enforced by the league. They didn't want to piss off the player, Bathurst isn't a wanted destination for most players. Bottom line if Halifax wants to sell, I'm sure Ehlers would probably prefer to go to a contender regardless of NTC.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 5, 2014 16:23:57 GMT -4
Not sure how. Certain players have certain conditions listed in their contracts restricting movement that are enforced. Bathurst didn't move a player they wanted to last year because of a NTC. How not enforceable was that? They don't enforce contracts of GM's but it doesn't make stipulations in their contracts illegal because the contract itself is not enforced by the league. They didn't want to piss off the player, Bathurst isn't a wanted destination for most players. Bottom line if Halifax wants to sell, I'm sure Ehlers would probably prefer to go to a contender regardless of NTC. How could they piss off a player if they gave out an illegal clause? I'm not sure if you're saying teams give out legal no trade clauses which are not enforced or are giving out illegal no trade clauses that are enforced through not wanting to upset the player. I've never seen a Q player contract, but in the OHL some players have NTC's specifically written into their SPC with clear rules in terms of how the NTC is to be enforced. I fail to understand how that may be illegal in a legal document.
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