regdunlop on point of view

[coreyapple]

bois said:

I suppose it had to happen eventually.. I agree completely with Fr..coreyapple

however I still watch the five minute flurry because at least it's something....

besides they wont change it.... they need Boomer to appear every 9 minutes in some form or other.. I actually get more annoyed by the fact we need 3 seperate weather forecasts in an hour

Three separate weather forecasts?

You count the number of times Boomer appears on Compass tonight - or any night.

I guarantee you it's more than three.

Matter of fact, the over/under on the number of times Boomer appears is 5 1/2, so that should tell you something.

I'm playing the "over" on this one.

[bois]

Wouldn't it be presumptious or arrogant to proclaim neither has stepped foot inside a rocket game this year?

I dunno if they have or haven't.. nor do I base my opinion on their grandstanding.. it's a segment of TV designed to entertain by having strong opionated personalities clash... it's worked on every major network that covers sports... that's all it is

and yes we have 3 weather segments during our supper hour.... I never said anything about his other appearances.. I just think it's stupid to have a preview of the weather followed by the weather followed by a recap of the weather within 20-25 mins

[coreyapple]

bois said:

Wouldn't it be presumptious or arrogant to proclaim neither has stepped foot inside a rocket game this year?

No, neither presumptuous nor arrogant.

I clearly stated that I didn't know, but that I'd NEVER seen Fiddler nor Boomer attending a Rocket as a fan, and supposedly paying for the privilege....and that's not just this year, that's over the last 4+ seasons....that's all I said, and it's the truth.

Reggie said Fiddler hadn't been there this year, and I have no reason to disbelieve that.

Here are two very sports-minded, well-known, recognizable and somewhat (?) influential people who don't bother going to games, but don't mind getting on a soapbox and pontificating about what's wrong with the struggling local Major Junior team, the one they don't follow.

I do NOT like it one bit - people like that could help enhance the local team's visibility and popularity if they bothered to show up once in a while, but they'd rather listen to each other prattle on about the Columbus Blue Jackets or some such irrelevance a thousand miles away.

Boomer is just a self-absorbed showboat, but Fiddler is slothful - he writes reams and reams every Saturday, but can never be bothered to check his facts.

L-A-Z-Y!

[bois]

I dont recall them actually stating anything about what was wrong with the Rocket.. maybe I missed it... they essentially said we're struggling (true), and have a young blueline (true) and our goaltending as been subpar (true again).. what soapbox are they on?


As I said I dont put any stake in what they say... why should you? It's just two guys being stubborn and arguing whatever point they are told to

and if our sports columnists were only allowed to talk about what they have seen live they wouldn't get to talk about much would they?

and isnt Fiddlers weekend piece an opinion column? opinions don't need facts.... it helps lend them creedence if they are based on facts but it's not being presented as such..

[coreyapple]

bois said:

and isnt Fiddlers weekend piece an opinion column? opinions don't need facts.... it helps lend them creedence if they are based on facts but it's not being presented as such..

Sorry, but I disagree completely.

Opinions SHOULD be based on facts! An opinion is one's interpretation of the facts, or the facts as one person sees them - but facts they have to be!

What else should opinions be based on - personal biases? Ignorance? Fantasy? Fabrication?

[bois]

Of course opinions are based on biases... one only needs to read any thread on any messageboard to see that... or watch/listen to any talk show

but now we're arguing semantics and that isn't worth anymore of my time

[North Shore]

bois said:

As I said I dont put any stake in what they say... why should you? It's just two guys being stubborn and arguing whatever point they are told to

and isnt Fiddlers weekend piece an opinion column? opinions don't need facts.... it helps lend them creedence if they are based on facts but it's not being presented as such..

Bois, respectfully, I think your post raised two issues and I don't think the response is simply arguing semantics.

(1) Opinions don't need facts. I totally disagree. An opinion is an interpretation of the meaning or significance of a set of facts. If your underlying facts are wrong then your opinion is meaningless no matter how much knowledge you may have about the general subject matter.

(2) Why should anyone put stock in what they say? Well for what ever reason TV and Print have put these two people in a position where many people in the general public would reasonably believe that they have some level of expertise in the subject matter on which they are giving their opinion.

Unless you're gonna sell it as tabloid journalism/reporting, the media should take some responsibility to ensure the people enlisted for opinions are knowledgeable about the subject matter.

If it's just entertainment then put it on This Hour Has Twenty Two Minutes or in the comic section. Don't try and sell it as a sports editorial.

[coreyapple]

gdc said:

bois said:

As I said I dont put any stake in what they say... why should you? It's just two guys being stubborn and arguing whatever point they are told to

and isnt Fiddlers weekend piece an opinion column? opinions don't need facts.... it helps lend them creedence if they are based on facts but it's not being presented as such..

Bois, respectfully, I think your post raised two issues and I don't think the response is simply arguing semantics.

(1) Opinions don't need facts. I totally disagree. An opinion is an interpretation of the meaning or significance of a set of facts. If your underlying facts are wrong then your opinion is meaningless no matter how much knowledge you may have about the general subject matter.

(2) Why should anyone put stock in what they say? Well for what ever reason TV and Print have put these two people in a position where many people in the general public would reasonably believe that they have some level of expertise in the subject matter on which they are giving their opinion.

Unless you're gonna sell it as tabloid journalism/reporting, the media should take some responsibility to ensure the people enlisted for opinions are knowledgeable about the subject matter.

If it's just entertainment then put it on This Hour Has Twenty Two Minutes or in the comic section. Don't try and sell it as a sports editorial.

Bingo!

Post of the month, I'd say.

Well done.