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Post by lirette on Aug 18, 2015 7:50:40 GMT -4
Rage drop Alex Ranger 20 F CAP
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 18, 2015 8:51:50 GMT -4
Done, BUT...I'm changing the rule for next year. Something along the lines of if you protect a guy and then drop him afterward, his replacement costs you one of your three Post Draft Free Agency Adds. I'm effectively allowing you this year to have taken a bet on a guy, and then cut him loose without penalty. We've added transactions to help overcome moves like this, so I'm going to force you to use them  And this is absolutely nothing against the moves lirette and catnut made, they were completely legal, and if there are more drops that need to be made, they can be - provided they were your property before the draft. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 18, 2015 8:55:52 GMT -4
What if there was a '1 exception per team' rule to account for these odd unexpectedly going pro or retiring scenarios? I guess it's not a big deal either way.
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Post by catnut on Aug 18, 2015 9:05:48 GMT -4
What if there was a '1 exception per team' rule to account for these odd unexpectedly going pro or retiring scenarios? I guess it's not a big deal either way. That is why we added the 3 pre-season roster moves. I don't mind if one is used in this case for Bureau. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 18, 2015 9:07:15 GMT -4
What if there was a '1 exception per team' rule to account for these odd unexpectedly going pro or retiring scenarios? I guess it's not a big deal either way. That is why we added the 3 pre-season roster moves. I don't mind if one is used in this case for Bureau. ok that makes sense |
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 18, 2015 9:14:55 GMT -4
I'm not changing my ruling retroactively; I don't think that's fair. But next year, any players retained post-protection deadline will be yours until after the draft, at which point, you can use one of you moves to replace them. I'd allow a goalie to be dropped, so you can draft another other than after the draft, but the move would still cost.
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Post by lirette on Aug 18, 2015 9:27:53 GMT -4
I could have just waited to make the move after the draft. I essentially only dropped him in case others wanted to take a chance on him late in the draft with a late round pick in case he didn't make the pro team. I made a trade to aquire an extra draft pick, so I could have just kept him and dropped him after the draft when my team was too big. Its not really any advantage to me to let him go now, only a benefit to others.
Just to explain why I made the drop
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Post by johnstrow on Aug 18, 2015 9:34:58 GMT -4
Just going to put this here ....
One scenario that needs to be taken into consideration is that fact that some teams end up with more picks then they need. If someone you protected ends up going somewhere (outside the q) then you should be able to drop them and use an extra pick (you accumulated) instead of waiting till the draft is over and using a move then.
Maybe the rule should be if you have to drop and draft a guy outside of round 5 then you have to use a add/drop pre season move, but if you have a pick in the first 5 rounds to use then you shouldnt be penalized...
Not sure this is coming across as clear as I see it but if it doesn't make sense let me know and ill try to clarify
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 18, 2015 9:38:11 GMT -4
I could have just waited to make the move after the draft. I essentially only dropped him in case others wanted to take a chance on him late in the draft with a late round pick in case he didn't make the pro team. I made a trade to aquire an extra draft pick, so I could have just kept him and dropped him after the draft when my team was too big. Its not really any advantage to me to let him go now, only a benefit to others. Just to explain why I made the drop You can't draft your team "too big". Once you hit ten players on your roster, you forfeit all further picks. You can draft the wrong mix (too many F/D/Euros/20s), but no more than ten, and no more than one goalie.
The drop is no big deal, but I think if we're going to add the three post draft roster moves for exactly this type of situation, then we should rework things so that they're used up.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 18, 2015 9:40:33 GMT -4
Just going to put this here .... One scenario that needs to be taken into consideration is that fact that some teams end up with more picks then they need. If someone you protected ends up going somewhere (outside the q) then you should be able to drop them and use an extra pick (you accumulated) instead of waiting till the draft is over and using a move then. Maybe the rule should be if you have to drop and draft a guy outside of round 5 then you have to use a add/drop pre season move, but if you have a pick in the first 5 rounds to use then you should be penalized... Not sure this is coming across as clear as I see it but if it doesn't make sense let me know and ill try to clarify I considered this. Maybe if you can acquire a pick to fill the spot during the first four rounds (the draft is one round shorter next year), then you don't need to use an add. If your roster is short after the draft, you'll need to. |
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Post by johnstrow on Aug 18, 2015 9:41:51 GMT -4
Just going to put this here .... One scenario that needs to be taken into consideration is that fact that some teams end up with more picks then they need. If someone you protected ends up going somewhere (outside the q) then you should be able to drop them and use an extra pick (you accumulated) instead of waiting till the draft is over and using a move then. Maybe the rule should be if you have to drop and draft a guy outside of round 5 then you have to use a add/drop pre season move, but if you have a pick in the first 5 rounds to use then you should be penalized... Not sure this is coming across as clear as I see it but if it doesn't make sense let me know and ill try to clarify I considered this. Maybe if you can acquire a pick to fill the spot during the first four rounds (the draft is one round shorter next year), then you don't need to use an add. If your roster is short after the draft, you'll need to. I think this would be a fair deal. If you have the picks its doesn't seem fair to not be able to use them to fill up your team and have to be forced to use a pre season move |
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Post by catnut on Aug 18, 2015 9:42:37 GMT -4
I could have just waited to make the move after the draft. I essentially only dropped him in case others wanted to take a chance on him late in the draft with a late round pick in case he didn't make the pro team. I made a trade to aquire an extra draft pick, so I could have just kept him and dropped him after the draft when my team was too big. Its not really any advantage to me to let him go now, only a benefit to others. Just to explain why I made the drop You can't draft your team "too big". Once you hit ten players on your roster, you forfeit all further picks. You can draft the wrong mix (too many F/D/Euros/20s), but no more than ten, and no more than one goalie.
The drop is no big deal, but I think if we're going to add the three post draft roster moves for exactly this type of situation, then we should rework things so that they're used up.
Why not just change "Post draft" moves to "Pre-season" moves to include moves like mine and Lirette's made between the protected list submission and the beginning of the regular season. |
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Post by Pepsipete on Aug 18, 2015 10:20:08 GMT -4
one thing we could do about this is to have Bureau and Ranger not be allowed to be drafted.. if someone wants someone that has been dropped during the draft they'd have to wait until free agency opens.
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Post by Penguins23® on Aug 18, 2015 10:47:10 GMT -4
I'm fine with letting this go but in my opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to drop someone DURING the draft. Before the draft and after the draft is fine but what if I drop Beauvillier right now? Chootoi gets to draft him. Not fair for anyone else really. Sucks that Catnut got some bad news in the middle of the draft, I'd be willing to make an exception but lirette received no new information on Ranger during the draft. Where did we find this guy? Don't we have application processes? Did he slip through the cracks or is he a better GM than he appears? Not to pick on the new guy, just wondering.  |
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 18, 2015 10:50:47 GMT -4
That's a fair point. I think Bureau and Ranger should be off limits to draft. They can be picked up as free agents after the draft, when everyone has an equal shot.
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