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Post by bois on Dec 11, 2007 20:21:30 GMT -4
why don't you guys try and challenge Hali.. you have a much better shot than we do
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Post by canucklehead on Dec 11, 2007 20:40:13 GMT -4
why don't you guys try and challenge Hali.. you have a much better shot than we do While it's true I think the Sea Dogs have a decent chance to compete with the Moose our problem is I don't see us adding much of anything this year to make a serious push their waiting for next year. |
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Post by reggiedunlop7 on Dec 11, 2007 21:43:49 GMT -4
Umm...Canuckle....check the standings...your Dogs are 1 point back of HFX....it's your team that's going to push Halifax for the top spot. CB will tail off.
See there's the difference....we've had 4 years of "taking a run" and we've got 1 first round win to show for it. We need to take an approach like your Dogs did. Draft well, trade well, sign a few key FA's and you get a winner usually.
The Dogs had 3 first overall picks and with some smart trades you're seeing the rewards this season.
You've got that giddy feeling towards a playoff run like the first time you mixed Pop Rocks and soda together....extreme sugar rush.
Enjoy it! Bask in it, but hope that the higher ups did their homework and looked 2 seasons down the line.
Like Buckley's Mixture, sometimes the trades taste bad, but in the end it works adn we've had a nagging development cough that needs addressing.
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Post by canucklehead on Dec 12, 2007 11:34:44 GMT -4
The Sea Dogs are in 3rd and trust me I'm enjoying it ;D
I'm not saying PEI should absolutely drop and everything and go ballz to the wall in the trade market but they are capable of making some noise with an improvement on defense that's all. Gelinas is playing great right now and the scoring is there too.
I think the Rocket will end up sellers it was just a point that they could if they improved their defense but the problem is there isn't alot available.
Not sure if I have the feeling you descibed lol ;D but it sure is nice to have more points now then we did all of last year that is pretty sweet.
I think we can play with the Moose it just seems that alot of teams are almost just giving the thing to the Mooseheads.
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Post by hockeydog on Dec 12, 2007 16:33:48 GMT -4
what happens if the rocket sweep 3 games in quebec this week? and look good doing it? does it make management maybe alter any plans they may have as being sellers?
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Post by Score on Dec 12, 2007 16:41:44 GMT -4
what happens if the rocket sweep 3 games in quebec this week? and look good doing it? does it make management maybe alter any plans they may have as being sellers? I have a feeling that they are really on the bubble about this situation. Mo and Lafleur could be the only "top" players being traded..... .if that.Can't see much interest in Latal, and I think you will see them hold onto Lessard. Mo Lessard Cliche perhaps Malouin |
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Post by queendee on Dec 12, 2007 18:30:36 GMT -4
Nothing has been done properly from the day the deal was signed to move the team to PEI. While the team brought to PEI was the best we've ever seen, Serge didn't properly load up that year for a full run, and in the end didn't compensate for leaving our entire back end with a big gaping hole at the end of the season. In order for him to ice a team in the first year in PEI that would get the crowds going wild over Q hockey, it meant not doing anything to prepare for the losses we suffered the next year. Which all would have been fine had he had the proper fire sale that second year, to sell of the remaining assets we had in order to actually REBUILD PROPERLY. No one knows for sure if he was too greedy or if the deals did get pulled at the last minute for our assets, but it's of no matter, he dropped the ball either way. And there's not been one year since that's made any sense as far as a clear idea as to the direction this team is headed. We are always sellers it seems cause we never have a decent enough team to be buyers to load up for a run. How sad is that? Why is it that every other team in the league seems to have been able to figure out the process to come up with one great year in at least 5??
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Post by bois on Dec 12, 2007 20:35:03 GMT -4
i dont think we needed a great team in year one to sell tickets... the product would have practically sold itself
and we've never been sellers really... except when we dealt Boutin to Que
we've bought some very nice pieces we just never buy them all
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Post by dovs on Dec 12, 2007 22:18:19 GMT -4
The Sea Dogs are in 3rd and trust me I'm enjoying it ;D I'm not saying PEI should absolutely drop and everything and go ballz to the wall in the trade market but they are capable of making some noise with an improvement on defense that's all. Gelinas is playing great right now and the scoring is there too. I think the Rocket will end up sellers it was just a point that they could if they improved their defense but the problem is there isn't alot available. Not sure if I have the feeling you descibed lol ;D but it sure is nice to have more points now then we did all of last year that is pretty sweet. I think we can play with the Moose it just seems that alot of teams are almost just giving the thing to the Mooseheads. Boy ,you are something else.To sit back here and say To these pei posters that the pei brass should make a few trades to go for it this year.I know for a fact there not that gullable to listen to you.Nothing like trying to get somebody to do the dirty work for yas  |
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Post by wingman on Dec 12, 2007 23:20:00 GMT -4
i dont think we needed a great team in year one to sell tickets... the product would have practically sold itself and we've never been sellers really... except when we dealt Boutin to Que we've bought some very nice pieces we just never buy them all It goes back to not having a plan to build/rebuild, doing things half-assed and waiting until last minute (ie. Xmas trading period) to decide on how to proceed with the current season. |
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Post by countsheep on Dec 13, 2007 10:04:09 GMT -4
I have difficulty with this overall concept of 'going for it or bust', to tell you the truth.
How many teams 'go for it' each year? 5? 6?
What about the other teams? Do they all sell their better but older players and go into a rebuilding mode?
What's wrong with being just a good team, year after year? Isn't that what draws the fans, rather than 1 or 2 good years followed by 3 rotten years, à la Rimouski? That's what the Olympiques do, every year, and if being a 'good team' means being the best on that particular year, well, that's all the better.
Lots of teams have not 'gone for it' since the Rocket's been here....they include Bathurst, Drummondville, Victo, Shawi, Chicoutimi, and the two expansion teams in SJ and SJ's.
I see a team like the Rocket trying to improve its overall situation this year and next, rather than planning to 'go for it' in 2 or 3 years.
Thus, I wouldn't be averse to doing whatever is necessary to get another solid defenceman, preferably an 18- or 19-year old, and a promising offensively-minded 17-year-old forward, to replace one of our two 20-year-old stars.
Rocket is just now cresting above .500 for the first time since last March, and I don't think a fire sale would make sense.
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Post by bois on Dec 13, 2007 10:17:55 GMT -4
No a firesale wouldn't make sense.. but neither would dealing (for arguments sake) a Morrison and LaFleur then turning around and dealing Cliche and Clow (again for example )
That's the kind of tinkering we've done every year.. and well nothing is wrong with being a good team every year but we've only really been a good team once
also we don't need another 17 year old forward per se.. an 18 year old would fit in much nicer
and yes most of those teams you mentioned have gone for it.. or dealt vets to rebuild
Bathurst dealt the top scoring dman in the league last year as well as acquiring Bartos .. they added a top 10 scorer this year (at the expense of their captain), the first year they killed us in playoffs they added Olivier Labelle and Petr Pohl (two top scorers) as well as Bouthilette and Joyal in goal
Drummondville sold Pelletier and Howes already this year and will no doubt be selling Paris as well.. that's what teams in last place do.. well except us of course when we were last we sold 17 year olds Dubuc and Boivin but I digress
Victo just moved JC Blanchard .. it's unclear what they might do this trade period
Shawinigan acquired Alex Bourret and (i forget his name.. captain from Gat ) in their go for it year.. they've been rebuilding since
Chicoutimi most certainly did go for it a couple years ago but their team blew up and lost in the 2nd round.. they also have been rebuilding since.. and will be fine next year and the year after
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Post by bois on Dec 13, 2007 10:27:38 GMT -4
oh yeah forgot to mention... the Gatineau method works because they can attract free agents that contribute something the Rocket has never done
also the Piques know when to trade their best players for maximum return
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Post by reggiedunlop7 on Dec 13, 2007 11:29:20 GMT -4
A perfect scenario would be that we move a few older assets and get some 18's and possibly a few 17's and be able to maintain our stride, make the playoffs, actually win a round and have a solid lineup for the next 2 years to make more additions to and keep improving each year without taking too many steps back.
Do that and market the bejezzus out of it and I see season tickets and fans returning.
See if it happens.
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Post by topcon81 on Dec 13, 2007 17:57:51 GMT -4
Is Owens avaiable?
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