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Post by Stuck in a Loop... on Dec 13, 2007 22:46:58 GMT -4
EN and that game folks 3-1
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Post by yousuckref on Dec 13, 2007 22:48:44 GMT -4
Morrison misses an empty net and Walker takes a slap shot with a guy right on top of him on a 3-1. Got to capitalize.
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Post by tman on Dec 14, 2007 0:05:41 GMT -4
The picture change on the Q site may be a good indication that a trade is in the works for Lafleur. I was hoping they would come back in the 3rd and win this game. I would say Gelinas will start on Saturday. Hoping for a strong 60 minute effort by the Rocket and a win. 4 of 6 points on this road trip would be good. Can't wait until the 28th to see them again at home.
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Post by North Shore on Dec 14, 2007 10:10:37 GMT -4
I only got to see bit of the game from time to time on the web cast but it appears that the guys were always in it. I knew this would be a tough game after the effort required to beat BC the night before so I'm disappointed we did not pick up a point but very pleased with the effort the team put out.
Guy seems to have the team working hard. Also a consideration for last night's game is the larger ice surface. No doubt there is some adjustment required and the home team has an edge over the eastern teams who only get on this pond once a year.
I'm not sure what happened with Southorn. From the thread it looks like he was yapping at the ref. Its out of character for him so I'd guess the ref missed something pretty blatant to set him off. Hopefully he learns from it and finds a better way to express his displeasure with the officials that keeps him in the game. There is nothing wrong with harshly criticizing the official but do it politely and there is very little a ref can do.
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Post by bois on Dec 14, 2007 10:33:46 GMT -4
At least Jordon didn't pull a Mealy on the ref
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Post by countsheep on Dec 14, 2007 10:36:00 GMT -4
There is nothing wrong with harshly criticizing the official but do it politely and there is very little a ref can do. How can you be "harsh" and "polite" at the same time? Actually, there is A LOT wrong with "harshly criticizing" an official. Quite simply, it's not allowed, not in any sport. A player can disagree with a call and voice his disagreement WITH THE CALL, but he can't criticize an official - in any sport. The minute it gets personal, the player is gone. You can say to a referee or umpire "That was a terrible call", but you can't say "You're a terrible referee/umpire". I wouldn't assume the ref missed something, and that it "caused" Southorn to lose it. All we know is that Southorn had a very uncharacteristic fit, and it cost him a game misconduct. Maybe Jordan will learn from this, shut the hell up next time, and act like an adult. |
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Post by bois on Dec 14, 2007 10:38:22 GMT -4
There is nothing wrong with harshly criticizing the official but do it politely and there is very little a ref can do. How can you be "harsh" and "polite" at the same time? Actually, there is A LOT wrong with "harshly criticizing" an official. Quite simply, it's not allowed, not in any sport. A player can disagree with a call and voice his disagreement WITH THE CALL, but he can't criticize an official - in any sport. The minute it gets personal, the player is gone. You can say to a referee or umpire "That was a terrible call", but you can't say "You're a terrible referee/umpire". I wouldn't assume the ref missed something, and that it "caused" Southorn to lose it. All we know is that Southorn had a very uncharacteristic fit, and it cost him a game misconduct. Maybe Jordan will learn from this, shut the hell up next time, and act like an adult. why do you expect kids to act like adults? |
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Post by countsheep on Dec 14, 2007 10:44:33 GMT -4
How can you be "harsh" and "polite" at the same time? Actually, there is A LOT wrong with "harshly criticizing" an official. Quite simply, it's not allowed, not in any sport. A player can disagree with a call and voice his disagreement WITH THE CALL, but he can't criticize an official - in any sport. The minute it gets personal, the player is gone. You can say to a referee or umpire "That was a terrible call", but you can't say "You're a terrible referee/umpire". I wouldn't assume the ref missed something, and that it "caused" Southorn to lose it. All we know is that Southorn had a very uncharacteristic fit, and it cost him a game misconduct. Maybe Jordan will learn from this, shut the hell up next time, and act like an adult. why do you expect kids to act like adults? Well now, that's an interesting question. Yes, I do expect 17-to-20-year-old hockey players to act like adults when they play Major Junior. They're away from home (most of them), they're past puberty, they drive cars, they get a regular, albeit small paycheque, they have huge responsibilities to their teammates, they travel a lot, they have to wear suits when they're scratched and at the game, and they represent their team, their league, and their city. Most of them aspire to play in a professional league within a few short years. All of them are subject to strict disciplinary standards, on and off the ice. Yes, I do expect them to act like adults - don't you? |
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Post by bois on Dec 14, 2007 10:53:10 GMT -4
nope
I see nothing wrong with a player losing it on the ice once in awhile
if it becomes a regular occurrence or the player does what Mealy did .. then that's a bit different
but no I don't expect a 17 year old kid to act like an adult
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Post by rf1 on Dec 14, 2007 10:56:54 GMT -4
you've got to be kidding me, maybe you don't have kids in that agebracket. Yes they have a huge responsibility to be in thier position but most adults in their early 20's don't act like adults, how can you expect these players to all be adults at the prime age of 17??
btw, i spoke to someone at the game and it was a bogus call on the ref's part just so you know
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Post by countsheep on Dec 14, 2007 11:19:30 GMT -4
btw, i spoke to someone at the game and it was a bogus call on the ref's part just so you know Well, that settles it. If "someone" said it was a "bogus call", that's pretty convincing. |
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Post by countsheep on Dec 14, 2007 11:21:24 GMT -4
nope I see nothing wrong with a player losing it on the ice once in awhile if it becomes a regular occurrence or the player does what Mealy did .. then that's a bit different but no I don't expect a 17 year old kid to act like an adult Well, we disagree on the "adult" part, and I also don't have a problem with a player losing it once in a while - shows there's some intensity there, and that's good. I have a lot more difficulty with players who act as if they don't care, but that's something we don't have with the Rocket this year. |
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Post by wingman on Dec 14, 2007 11:30:55 GMT -4
Maybe Jordan will learn from this, shut the hell up next time, and act like an adult. I've seen adults get tossed from games from yapping at refs, does mean they are not an adult? Ever see baseball managers get tossed from baseball games from arguing calls with the umpires, and some managers have even kicked dirt and went chest to chest sometimes, does that mean they are not adults? It was likely the heat of the moment type thing where the wrong thing was said, no big deal. No need to comment on the kid's maturity especially where it was the first time since he has been a Rocket that he has gotten a game misconduct for something like that. |
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Post by countsheep on Dec 14, 2007 11:42:51 GMT -4
Maybe Jordan will learn from this, shut the hell up next time, and act like an adult. I've seen adults get tossed from games from yapping at refs, does mean they are not an adult? Ever see baseball managers get tossed from baseball games from arguing calls with the umpires, and some managers have even kicked dirt and went chest to chest sometimes, does that mean they are not adults? a No, it doesn't mean they're not adults - it means they didn't ACT like adults at that particular time....and that's why they got tossed, presumably. I'm fully aware that 17-year-olds are not adults - they're older teenagers, part-way to adulthood. But when in uniform, Major Junior players expected to ACT in a mature way, for all the reasons I've outlined in my previous post. If something untoward happens on the ice, they should be able to handle it in a reasonable way, without losing their cool....most of the time, anyway. It's a responsibility they have towards their teammates. Same as older children are expected to act like adults when they have attend a funeral in church or a concert at the Arts Centre, or eat in a nice restaurant, for example. That's how you grow up. |
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Post by wingman on Dec 14, 2007 12:12:44 GMT -4
It's hockey and I've yet to see anybody who has always kept their cool and always act in a calm, cool manner. Even the best have lost their cool at someone at one time or another....Gretzky, Richard, Lemieux, etc but yet have they ever been labeled as "not acting like adults"? It's a fast paced sport where tempers flare and emotions run high and because someone loses their cool doesn't mean they are not acting like an adult or be expected to handle everything in a "reasonable way" 100% of the time.
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