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Trump
Feb 15, 2019 17:06:57 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 15, 2019 17:06:57 GMT -4
Religious beliefs is a fine line to walk. Depends on each individuals interpretation of the religion. None of which are very simple and almost 100% of which have evolved over time to either suit hate filled agendas or to try and get rid of them. I agree a church gets to set its own rules in terms of who they will marry. But if 2 dudes want to go down to city hall and get legally married I don't think it's now ok for someone to refuse to bake them a cake based on their own religious beliefs unless one of those 2 people wronged the bakery owner in some way. Religious based hate and discrimination is what we need to be removing from society not using it as a crutch to further more hate. In regards to your last sentence I agree with that but I just don't think it is fair to force the bakery owner to violate his or her religious beliefs, just go to a different bakery. Now me on the other hand , I would gladly take the money if I was the bakery owner. Being a decent human being isn't going against any religious beliefs. It's an owner using it as an excuse to be an asshole to a group of people he doesn't like. The logic of "just go to a different bakery" is how we end up with "white's only" restrooms because why should other races care if they just need to go somewhere else? Discrimination against anyone isn't ok. Religious or not. The only situation I can see fathom that would be even close to ok would be a jewish baker telling a Nazi to get bent...but thats not because of the discrimination of the baker...it's all to do with the actions of the Nazi.
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Trump
Feb 15, 2019 17:08:18 GMT -4
Post by asleepinthedeep on Feb 15, 2019 17:08:18 GMT -4
What about the sin tax on violent video games? ??
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Trump
Feb 15, 2019 17:10:53 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 15, 2019 17:10:53 GMT -4
In regards to your last sentence I agree with that but I just don't think it is fair to force the bakery owner to violate his or her religious beliefs, just go to a different bakery. Now me on the other hand , I would gladly take the money if I was the bakery owner. Let’s be honest here, what would a cake have to do with religious beliefs? It’s a cheap PR stunt by the people that dit it. The right wingers who defend this type of discrimination are the same people who comment on facebook articles with things like "if you want to live here you should follow our rules!" and none of them see how laughable their double sided stance is. Using religion as a right to be a miserable piece of shit is all this is. Unless there's a legitimate personal beef among the people involved. But to say "my religion doesn't agree with people being gay" might be the most laughable thing i've heard as a defensible reason to not do anything for another human being.
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Trump
Feb 15, 2019 17:13:40 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 15, 2019 17:13:40 GMT -4
What about the sin tax on violent video games? ?? Is there a sin tax on guns? That might be a better place to start. Pornography is a bigger issue then violent video games in terms of its impact on society. That might also be a better place to look. Charging a 16yr old an extra $2.75 for Grand Theft Auto isn't changing anything.
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Trump
Feb 15, 2019 17:24:47 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 15, 2019 17:24:47 GMT -4
In regards to your last sentence I agree with that but I just don't think it is fair to force the bakery owner to violate his or her religious beliefs, just go to a different bakery. Now me on the other hand , I would gladly take the money if I was the bakery owner. Being a decent human being isn't going against any religious beliefs. It's an owner using it as an excuse to be an asshole to a group of people he doesn't like. The logic of "just go to a different bakery" is how we end up with "white's only" restrooms because why should other races care if they just need to go somewhere else? Discrimination against anyone isn't ok. Religious or not. The only situation I can see fathom that would be even close to ok would be a jewish baker telling a Nazi to get bent...but thats not because of the discrimination of the baker...it's all to do with the actions of the Nazi. hey, I can't go to the gym that is closer to my place because it is a women only gym , I don't make a stink out of it, I just walk the extra 2 blocks and be done with it.
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Trump
Feb 15, 2019 17:30:22 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 15, 2019 17:30:22 GMT -4
Being a decent human being isn't going against any religious beliefs. It's an owner using it as an excuse to be an asshole to a group of people he doesn't like. The logic of "just go to a different bakery" is how we end up with "white's only" restrooms because why should other races care if they just need to go somewhere else? Discrimination against anyone isn't ok. Religious or not. The only situation I can see fathom that would be even close to ok would be a jewish baker telling a Nazi to get bent...but thats not because of the discrimination of the baker...it's all to do with the actions of the Nazi. hey, I can't go to the gym that is closer to my place because it is a women only gym , I don't make a stink out of it, I just walk the extra 2 blocks and be done with it. The fact you think the 2 things are the same is laughable. There are many "gender specific" things in society and almost all done in an attempt to make 1 gender feel safer or more secure whether it be in a gym, a washroom, or a ladies only taxi service. These things come from centuries of men objectifying woman as objects to the point that many women only feel safe working out in a female only environment or using a public restroom that is female only. Me saying "i'm (insert religion here)" and don't agree with homosexuals getting married so I refuse to accept their money for an object i'm selling isn't the same thing.
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Trump
Feb 15, 2019 17:32:13 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 15, 2019 17:32:13 GMT -4
What about the sin tax on violent video games? ?? Sorry for not responding to your earlier and thanks for your tone even though I know you don't agree with me at all in this thread. Kids / young adults who are supposedly influenced by games like GTA are going to so the violent things they did/do/well do not because of these games IMO, they do them due to their upbringing/lack of it or mental illness caused by biological/biochemical imbalances they already have and would have done them without playing GTA. I find that from my point of view it is politicians from the left side of the spectrum that interfere too much in my life- I'm white, straight, English so I don't fit into their identity politics, the only thing they like about me is sticking their hand into my wallet.
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Trump
Feb 16, 2019 15:25:49 GMT -4
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Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 16, 2019 15:25:49 GMT -4
Good to see American finally about to crack down on gun violence and global warming. I mean...they're not yet...but if any Presidents "executive orders" need to be followed without proof or fact....then those with proof and fact should start to have a much easier time fixing the country. Here that idiot Obama was trying to follow silly rules. Next Democratic president gets to really make some differences if what I am reading and hearing today is fact. 2nd amendment will stop any executive order or emergency declaration pertaining to guns.
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Trump
Feb 16, 2019 17:34:47 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 16, 2019 17:34:47 GMT -4
Good to see American finally about to crack down on gun violence and global warming. I mean...they're not yet...but if any Presidents "executive orders" need to be followed without proof or fact....then those with proof and fact should start to have a much easier time fixing the country. Here that idiot Obama was trying to follow silly rules. Next Democratic president gets to really make some differences if what I am reading and hearing today is fact. 2nd amendment will stop any executive order or emergency declaration pertaining to guns. The 25th amendment should stop Trump, he is not sane enough to govern a country.
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Post by hal on Feb 19, 2019 16:54:58 GMT -4
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Trump
Feb 20, 2019 10:02:39 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 20, 2019 10:02:39 GMT -4
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Trump
Feb 21, 2019 9:48:07 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 21, 2019 9:48:07 GMT -4
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Trump
Feb 21, 2019 10:30:27 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 21, 2019 10:30:27 GMT -4
Trump is a cancer on america, he represents everything wrong with their country...racism, greed, entitlement, poor nutrition with no excercise, narcissm, arrogance, fake religiousness and complete lack of self awareness.
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Trump
Feb 21, 2019 10:46:04 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Feb 21, 2019 10:46:04 GMT -4
Trump is a cancer on america, he represents everything wrong with their country...racism, greed, entitlement, poor nutrition with no excercise, narcissm, arrogance, fake religiousness and complete lack of self awareness. So let just if you are right on at least some of these things your TDS is making you regurgitate while pounding your keyboard with froth spewing out of your mouth, if you are right does this excuse Jusse Smolett concocting a bullshit story which could have lead to serious race riots in Chicago and did waste scarce police resources? Since this "incident" there have been over a hundred shootings in Chicago, 26 people murdered and only 6 arrests FYI. It didn't take long for this asshole's story to fall apart: 1) Chicago is anything but MAGA country for one- it has been ruled by the Dems for almost a century so it is the quintessential Democrat big city shithole, rich people in north Chicago hiding behind their gates ( and they refuse a wall on the Mexican border) while the poor are stuck in ghettos. 2) it was done at 2am during the polar vortex and liquid was poured on him? Please, it would have frozen and most certainly killed him. 3) no videotape at all.
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Trump
Feb 21, 2019 11:08:00 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 21, 2019 11:08:00 GMT -4
Trump is a cancer on america, he represents everything wrong with their country...racism, greed, entitlement, poor nutrition with no excercise, narcissm, arrogance, fake religiousness and complete lack of self awareness. So let just if you are right on at least some of these things your TDS is making you regurgitate while pounding your keyboard with froth spewing out of your mouth, if you are right does this excuse Jusse Smolett concocting a bullshit story which could have lead to serious race riots in Chicago and did waste scarce police resources? Since this "incident" there have been over a hundred shootings in Chicago, 26 people murdered and only 6 arrests FYI. It didn't take long for this asshole's story to fall apart: 1) Chicago is anything but MAGA country for one- it has been ruled by the Dems for almost a century so it is the quintessential Democrat big city shithole, rich people in north Chicago hiding behind their gates ( and they refuse a wall on the Mexican border) while the poor are stuck in ghettos. 2) it was done at 2am during the polar vortex and liquid was poured on him? Please, it would have frozen and most certainly killed him. 3) no videotape at all. What does 1 persons stupid actions have anything to do with national politics? If a white person shoots up a school in a Republican strong hold today is that on Trump? Keep blurring the lines...it's fucking laughable how some stupid actor trying to make a name for himself in the dumbest way possible is somehow tied to the democratic party because of potential race riots in Chicago yet a school shooting in Florida doesn't get near the same type of reaction from completely bias right wing morons like yourself.
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