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Jun 2, 2020 9:44:35 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2020 9:44:35 GMT -4
His base is nowhere close to get him re elected. The 25-30% of voters that are his base need another 20-30% of voters to jump on board. Right now No democrat will vote for him, he is getting his ass kicked with independants(which he won in 2016) and some republicans will either vote for Biden or stay home. In 2016 his base dd not win the election, it's GOP voters that may not like him but did not want a Democrat and Independants thinking he would actually "drain the swamp" that gave him the electoral college by a slim margin. He has been desperately trying to distract from Covid for 2 or 3 months by trying to create crisis on the Democratic side, similar to 2016 but nobody is biting and his polls keep getting worse, I saw one this morning that had him down by 12. Most have him down by 7-10 points. His only "accomplishment was the economy(stock market and jobs numbers) and both have suffered major blows. Only democrats care about his accomplishments. You still don't seem to get how this works. It's not a popularity contest or battle of who has no morals. It's who navigates the American political system the best. Joe Biden has been basically out of sight and out of mind to millions of Americans these last 3-4 months. Unless he makes huge gains in 3-4 red states he's waiting for Trump's base to turn on him in order to win. Could happen....but to say Trump is doing nothing to get himself re-elected is laughable. His base loved every ounce of that scene last night. Right down to turning the military on American protesters. The fact that Biden is the only thing between Trump and re-election should tell you how absolutely ass backwards the Democrats still are even after multiple years of Trump rule. Similar to Canadian Conservatives putting Scheer up against Trudeau in my opinion. The more people craved an alternative they got what was a younger version of the last guy they grew sour on. Only in this case it's an older and whiter male candidate with a political past ripe for the picking by Trump's strategists. The next 8 months or so are going to be an absolute train wreck down there. I think you're the one that's confused. Biden doesn't need to win red states, there are not enough red states for Trump to even come close with them. Trump won in 2016 with the electoral college with very tight wins in Florida Penn michigan Ohio and Wisconsin. if he loses Florida he is done, he is trailing Fla by 5 points, it was a dead heat in 2016. He is also behind by 6 or 7 in Michigan and Penn. He is behind in Arizona also. he is in a virtual tie in Texas FFS. This was all before the events of the last week. Hiding in his bunker while Biden was out with protesters can't help his polls, especially with women and minorities.
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Jun 2, 2020 9:53:31 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 2, 2020 9:53:31 GMT -4
A real leader would have addressed Americans, acknowledged police murders and brutality and promised to make changes. Gradually this would have diffused the situation. The big problem is, it would have required empathy on his side, which he would have needed to fake. Instead he lights the powder keg by talking tough from his underground bunker and then teargassing quiet protesters for a cheap photo op at a church he never goes. It's great for throwing red meat to his racist base, but doesn't nothing to get him re-elected.
I disagree. His base loves this. All he has to do is not lose much of his base. He doesn't have to earn any more votes to get re-elected. He could poll 20 points below Biden nationally. Means nothing due to the Electoral College. The only opinions that really matter are in places like Ohio and Florida. 100% of NY and California could be against Trump and it would have nothing to do with his re-election. Trump didnt do well in cities the last time - and he won because of the deep urban/rural split in America. What we are seeing again is how they think downtown in big cities. America is so much more than that. The civil unrest while widespread is mostly in urban core areas where the political establishment at the local level is Democrat. And the policing is a local issue. Trump isnt helping because he fans the flames making unrest worse, by the fall the issues might settle back into the same camps though: Urban problems vs rural view of that problem. I know Hillary had more votes in 2016. But Trump won more counties and it wasnt even close. Some of these big cities fit in one whole county. Like Miami Dade one county. The media in North America is mostly centered in big cities. So the way it will always look is Trump is losing then shock and dismay when he doesnt lose. There just isnt a camera on the field in Enid Oklahoma showing how its seen on the outside. I am not against the media. I would fit in well with most media. But the demographic of the media are mostly educated thinking people like most of us here on this board. Educated and with opinions and sometimes an open mind. And they mostly live in the city or work there every day. They see this and live it every day. So their reporting hits close to home and they magnify the urban issue more what they see as important. But that comes across in rural less sophisticated America differently. They cant relate with all the message. Probably by October, pandemic aside, people will look at their unemployment rate and bank accounts and vote on economic issues. If they do...Trump has a shot again. The Dow is still higher today even after a collapse than when Obama left office. I am not saying it wouldnt be where it is if Hillary were President. We cant say that about any event. George Floyd probably still happens. The people who were most likely to vote Trump out cant get more likely to vote him out, but they can get discouraged as they dig deep and conclude 'nothing will change no matter what I do' and they stay home instead of vote. A third of population is for sure voting Trump. Some of them are racists. And the others will vote against campaigns for appearing to lump them in as all racist. That is the battle ground. They dont want to be told how to vote or what is right and what is wrong that will backfire. And whatever you do dont call them names. Hillary insulted all kinds of voters inadvertently when she called some of them deplorables. A hard working farmer in the midwest can vote either way. He may be upset with how Trump has handled some things and will weigh his situation and then vote. If he turns on the news and sees people like him being blamed for what happened in Minneapolis he might take offense. Biden doesnt need just the big cities. He has that. He needs the small towns and small cities, and the white neighbourhoods that ring those bigger cities.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 2, 2020 10:10:28 GMT -4
Only democrats care about his accomplishments. You still don't seem to get how this works. It's not a popularity contest or battle of who has no morals. It's who navigates the American political system the best. Joe Biden has been basically out of sight and out of mind to millions of Americans these last 3-4 months. Unless he makes huge gains in 3-4 red states he's waiting for Trump's base to turn on him in order to win. Could happen....but to say Trump is doing nothing to get himself re-elected is laughable. His base loved every ounce of that scene last night. Right down to turning the military on American protesters. The fact that Biden is the only thing between Trump and re-election should tell you how absolutely ass backwards the Democrats still are even after multiple years of Trump rule. Similar to Canadian Conservatives putting Scheer up against Trudeau in my opinion. The more people craved an alternative they got what was a younger version of the last guy they grew sour on. Only in this case it's an older and whiter male candidate with a political past ripe for the picking by Trump's strategists. The next 8 months or so are going to be an absolute train wreck down there. I think you're the one that's confused. Biden doesn't need to win red states, there are not enough red states for Trump to even come close with them. Trump won in 2016 with the electoral college with very tight wins in Florida Penn michigan Ohio and Wisconsin. if he loses Florida he is done, he is trailing Fla by 5 points, it was a dead heat in 2016. He is also behind by 6 or 7 in Michigan and Penn. He is behind in Arizona also. he is in a virtual tie in Texas FFS. This was all before the events of the last week. Hiding in his bunker while Biden was out with protesters can't help his polls, especially with women and minorities. The entire point is Trump voters in 2016 need to vote Biden in 2020. We know there will be anti-Trump voters. But will there be enough pro-Biden voters? That part is what I am questioning. While everyone is currently concerned with Covid and riots....the actual election is taking a backseat...huge advantage to Trump. And add in the fact that Biden is already a candidate with his own questionable past and it shouldn't shock anyone if a Florida goes Republican again. The "UFC and WWE are essential because they're huge Republican donors" state shouldn't be a shock to anyone if it votes for Trump. The fact 4 more years of tyranny is in the hands of the states you listed should concern everyone. But why the Democrats elect a Biden and allow him to become background noise during all this is quite the tactics to chose during a pandemic when trying to toss out the incumbent elected official. They have enough money and resources that all we should be seeing on our TV's and on our social media is Joe Biden's face and Trump's crimes. But the democrats are letting the MSM news cycle walk Trump to another re-election. And I hope i'm very wrong on that. But there's 4 years of history now telling us that the country and its media have let him blur the lines. And once it gets back to key words like "economy" "jobs" and fear of healthcare/police/gun reform I can see all those Trump states vote the exact same as they did before. All Biden is presenting himself as is the anti-Trump. Not what he'll do for places like Ohio or Florida if he wins. The longer he lets all this keep him from really campaigning the less change he'll have in November. And Trump's voter suppression tactics havent even ramped up yet which will add even more confusion leading up to voting day.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:14:21 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 2, 2020 10:14:21 GMT -4
I disagree. His base loves this. All he has to do is not lose much of his base. He doesn't have to earn any more votes to get re-elected. He could poll 20 points below Biden nationally. Means nothing due to the Electoral College. The only opinions that really matter are in places like Ohio and Florida. 100% of NY and California could be against Trump and it would have nothing to do with his re-election. Trump didnt do well in cities the last time - and he won because of the deep urban/rural split in America. What we are seeing again is how they think downtown in big cities. America is so much more than that. The civil unrest while widespread is mostly in urban core areas where the political establishment at the local level is Democrat. And the policing is a local issue. Trump isnt helping because he fans the flames making unrest worse, by the fall the issues might settle back into the same camps though: Urban problems vs rural view of that problem. I know Hillary had more votes in 2016. But Trump won more counties and it wasnt even close. Some of these big cities fit in one whole county. Like Miami Dade one county. The media in North America is mostly centered in big cities. So the way it will always look is Trump is losing then shock and dismay when he doesnt lose. There just isnt a camera on the field in Enid Oklahoma showing how its seen on the outside. I am not against the media. I would fit in well with most media. But the demographic of the media are mostly educated thinking people like most of us here on this board. Educated and with opinions and sometimes an open mind. And they mostly live in the city or work there every day. They see this and live it every day. So their reporting hits close to home and they magnify the urban issue more what they see as important. But that comes across in rural less sophisticated America differently. They cant relate with all the message. Probably by October, pandemic aside, people will look at their unemployment rate and bank accounts and vote on economic issues. If they do...Trump has a shot again. The Dow is still higher today even after a collapse than when Obama left office. I am not saying it wouldnt be where it is if Hillary were President. We cant say that about any event. George Floyd probably still happens. The people who were most likely to vote Trump out cant get more likely to vote him out, but they can get discouraged as they dig deep and conclude 'nothing will change no matter what I do' and they stay home instead of vote. A third of population is for sure voting Trump. Some of them are racists. And the others will vote against campaigns for appearing to lump them in as all racist. That is the battle ground. They dont want to be told how to vote or what is right and what is wrong that will backfire. And whatever you do dont call them names. Hillary insulted all kinds of voters inadvertently when she called some of them deplorables. A hard working farmer in the midwest can vote either way. He may be upset with how Trump has handled some things and will weigh his situation and then vote. If he turns on the news and sees people like him being blamed for what happened in Minneapolis he might take offense. Biden doesnt need just the big cities. He has that. He needs the small towns and small cities, and the white neighbourhoods that ring those bigger cities. How Biden is handling all this blows me away. All Trump did in 2016 was throw key words out there like "JOBS" and "THE ECONOMY" to get those midwest states support. He literally spoke about sexually assaulting women and how they love it and it didn't even register as a negative because of what he was saying he will do. Biden, from what i've seen, has done nothing to earn 1 single vote but present himself as a democrat not named Trump. There's little policy being discussed. At a time where TV networks need content how are the democrats not filling the airwaves with how poorly Trump has done? While telling us and voters in Ohio and Florida what he will do for them. It's a strategy bordering on complete incompetence.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:32:02 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2020 10:32:02 GMT -4
Trump didnt do well in cities the last time - and he won because of the deep urban/rural split in America. What we are seeing again is how they think downtown in big cities. America is so much more than that. The civil unrest while widespread is mostly in urban core areas where the political establishment at the local level is Democrat. And the policing is a local issue. Trump isnt helping because he fans the flames making unrest worse, by the fall the issues might settle back into the same camps though: Urban problems vs rural view of that problem. I know Hillary had more votes in 2016. But Trump won more counties and it wasnt even close. Some of these big cities fit in one whole county. Like Miami Dade one county. The media in North America is mostly centered in big cities. So the way it will always look is Trump is losing then shock and dismay when he doesnt lose. There just isnt a camera on the field in Enid Oklahoma showing how its seen on the outside. I am not against the media. I would fit in well with most media. But the demographic of the media are mostly educated thinking people like most of us here on this board. Educated and with opinions and sometimes an open mind. And they mostly live in the city or work there every day. They see this and live it every day. So their reporting hits close to home and they magnify the urban issue more what they see as important. But that comes across in rural less sophisticated America differently. They cant relate with all the message. Probably by October, pandemic aside, people will look at their unemployment rate and bank accounts and vote on economic issues. If they do...Trump has a shot again. The Dow is still higher today even after a collapse than when Obama left office. I am not saying it wouldnt be where it is if Hillary were President. We cant say that about any event. George Floyd probably still happens. The people who were most likely to vote Trump out cant get more likely to vote him out, but they can get discouraged as they dig deep and conclude 'nothing will change no matter what I do' and they stay home instead of vote. A third of population is for sure voting Trump. Some of them are racists. And the others will vote against campaigns for appearing to lump them in as all racist. That is the battle ground. They dont want to be told how to vote or what is right and what is wrong that will backfire. And whatever you do dont call them names. Hillary insulted all kinds of voters inadvertently when she called some of them deplorables. A hard working farmer in the midwest can vote either way. He may be upset with how Trump has handled some things and will weigh his situation and then vote. If he turns on the news and sees people like him being blamed for what happened in Minneapolis he might take offense. Biden doesnt need just the big cities. He has that. He needs the small towns and small cities, and the white neighbourhoods that ring those bigger cities. How Biden is handling all this blows me away. All Trump did in 2016 was throw key words out there like "JOBS" and "THE ECONOMY" to get those midwest states support. He literally spoke about sexually assaulting women and how they love it and it didn't even register as a negative because of what he was saying he will do. Biden, from what i've seen, has done nothing to earn 1 single vote but present himself as a democrat not named Trump. There's little policy being discussed. At a time where TV networks need content how are the democrats not filling the airwaves with how poorly Trump has done? While telling us and voters in Ohio and Florida what he will do for them. It's a strategy bordering on complete incompetence. When Trump has been busy lighting himself on fire in 2020, the best thing Biden can do is get out of the way. He has been steadily climbing the polls while Trump shoots himself in the foot with all the bumbling of the pandemic. The best thing Biden can do is let him go. save his bullets for a few months before the election and and target areas to go for the kill, mostly Florida, Penn and Michigan. If he wins those 3 it's game, set and match.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:35:52 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 2, 2020 10:35:52 GMT -4
Trump didnt do well in cities the last time - and he won because of the deep urban/rural split in America. What we are seeing again is how they think downtown in big cities. America is so much more than that. The civil unrest while widespread is mostly in urban core areas where the political establishment at the local level is Democrat. And the policing is a local issue. Trump isnt helping because he fans the flames making unrest worse, by the fall the issues might settle back into the same camps though: Urban problems vs rural view of that problem. I know Hillary had more votes in 2016. But Trump won more counties and it wasnt even close. Some of these big cities fit in one whole county. Like Miami Dade one county. The media in North America is mostly centered in big cities. So the way it will always look is Trump is losing then shock and dismay when he doesnt lose. There just isnt a camera on the field in Enid Oklahoma showing how its seen on the outside. I am not against the media. I would fit in well with most media. But the demographic of the media are mostly educated thinking people like most of us here on this board. Educated and with opinions and sometimes an open mind. And they mostly live in the city or work there every day. They see this and live it every day. So their reporting hits close to home and they magnify the urban issue more what they see as important. But that comes across in rural less sophisticated America differently. They cant relate with all the message. Probably by October, pandemic aside, people will look at their unemployment rate and bank accounts and vote on economic issues. If they do...Trump has a shot again. The Dow is still higher today even after a collapse than when Obama left office. I am not saying it wouldnt be where it is if Hillary were President. We cant say that about any event. George Floyd probably still happens. The people who were most likely to vote Trump out cant get more likely to vote him out, but they can get discouraged as they dig deep and conclude 'nothing will change no matter what I do' and they stay home instead of vote. A third of population is for sure voting Trump. Some of them are racists. And the others will vote against campaigns for appearing to lump them in as all racist. That is the battle ground. They dont want to be told how to vote or what is right and what is wrong that will backfire. And whatever you do dont call them names. Hillary insulted all kinds of voters inadvertently when she called some of them deplorables. A hard working farmer in the midwest can vote either way. He may be upset with how Trump has handled some things and will weigh his situation and then vote. If he turns on the news and sees people like him being blamed for what happened in Minneapolis he might take offense. Biden doesnt need just the big cities. He has that. He needs the small towns and small cities, and the white neighbourhoods that ring those bigger cities. How Biden is handling all this blows me away. All Trump did in 2016 was throw key words out there like "JOBS" and "THE ECONOMY" to get those midwest states support. He literally spoke about sexually assaulting women and how they love it and it didn't even register as a negative because of what he was saying he will do. Biden, from what i've seen, has done nothing to earn 1 single vote but present himself as a democrat not named Trump. There's little policy being discussed. At a time where TV networks need content how are the democrats not filling the airwaves with how poorly Trump has done? While telling us and voters in Ohio and Florida what he will do for them. It's a strategy bordering on complete incompetence. Well you just made the case why Americans who are on the fence may not really want Biden as President. If he can fall into a trap we see coming 3 years ago how will he handle the world? Americans do care about issues like have been in news this week. They also are mostly used to these things being in the news. It's not pretty but it's no shock to anyone. At the end of the day the blue caller worker in Michigan and Ohio will vote but when they do a Trump supporter can say he did exactly what he said he would do. He re-did the trade deal. If there was one thing that Trump promised voters in those states that put him in he did what he promised. American politics comes down to who you trust most (assume they all are shady) and who scares you the least. The devil you know beats the devil you dont most of the time. And it happens in Canada too. These dynamics are in play in Canadian elections too. We are a more Liberal society by and large. That's why I always laugh when people try comparing our politicians to US politicians. What we consider to be a politician on the "right" here is a centrist communist down there.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:39:06 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 2, 2020 10:39:06 GMT -4
When Trump has been busy lighting himself on fire in 2020, the best thing Biden can do is get out of the way. He has been steadily climbing the polls while Trump shoots himself in the foot with all the bumbling of the pandemic. The best thing Biden can do is let him go. save his bullets for a few months before the election and and target areas to go for the kill, mostly Florida, Penn and Michigan. If he wins those 3 it's game, set and match. What if the pandemic and civil unrest essentially create a war time feel meaning the more Biden waits the less chance he has to actually win? The flip side to your plan is he waits and completely blows up within certain counties in those states and ends up having absolutely no shot and looks back on all this wasted time and wonders why the democrats did nothing while Trump had many weekly press conferences. I've heard more from Andrew Scheer, the outgoing Canadian PC leader who lost in 2019, then i've heard from 2020 Presidental candidate Joe Biden whose country is an absolute train wreck. I should be needing to avoid Joe Biden press. Joe Biden's past. Joe Biden's credentials. Joe Biden's family, work history, political wins, etc, etc, etc. All i've noticed is an old man wearing a mask, mostly in a quarantine I have to assume, who has promised some police oversight board within his first 100 days. Pandering to the democratic voters, basically. But zero reason why any 2016 Trump voter should/would vote for him. Other then the fact he's not Trump. Which isn't exactly a great position to take.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:45:52 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 2, 2020 10:45:52 GMT -4
How Biden is handling all this blows me away. All Trump did in 2016 was throw key words out there like "JOBS" and "THE ECONOMY" to get those midwest states support. He literally spoke about sexually assaulting women and how they love it and it didn't even register as a negative because of what he was saying he will do. Biden, from what i've seen, has done nothing to earn 1 single vote but present himself as a democrat not named Trump. There's little policy being discussed. At a time where TV networks need content how are the democrats not filling the airwaves with how poorly Trump has done? While telling us and voters in Ohio and Florida what he will do for them. It's a strategy bordering on complete incompetence. Well you just made the case why Americans who are on the fence may not really want Biden as President. If he can fall into a trap we see coming 3 years ago how will he handle the world? Americans do care about issues like have been in news this week. They also are mostly used to these things being in the news. It's not pretty but it's no shock to anyone. At the end of the day the blue caller worker in Michigan and Ohio will vote but when they do a Trump supporter can say he did exactly what he said he would do. He re-did the trade deal. If there was one thing that Trump promised voters in those states that put him in he did what he promised. American politics comes down to who you trust most (assume they all are shady) and who scares you the least. The devil you know beats the devil you dont most of the time. And it happens in Canada too. These dynamics are in play in Canadian elections too. We are a more Liberal society by and large. That's why I always laugh when people try comparing our politicians to US politicians. What we consider to be a politician on the "right" here is a centrist communist down there. There's just no comparison. Our left wing, the NDP, is the equivalent of Bernie Sanders down there. Too left to belong to a major party but so anti-right that they let him go after the democratic nomination that he would historically not really fit under. Our right wing is becoming way more American with their alt-right media and bat shit crazy conspiracy theories. Luckily a Sun News didn't catch on quite like Fox "News" did in the US. But referring to Fox News as news is like calling TLC The Learning Channel. You don't go to one for news and you're not learning anything on the other. But that far-right base eats it up. And my wife eats up TLC so it is what it is . Its crazy to me that at the end of 4 years of this that Joe Biden is the best they can come up with. It's like all the Democrats sat in a room and realized the closest thing to Obama is what American wants as an alternative to Trump. Showing just how absolutely tone deaf they actually are to their 120 or so million voters.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:46:13 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2020 10:46:13 GMT -4
I think you're the one that's confused. Biden doesn't need to win red states, there are not enough red states for Trump to even come close with them. Trump won in 2016 with the electoral college with very tight wins in Florida Penn michigan Ohio and Wisconsin. if he loses Florida he is done, he is trailing Fla by 5 points, it was a dead heat in 2016. He is also behind by 6 or 7 in Michigan and Penn. He is behind in Arizona also. he is in a virtual tie in Texas FFS. This was all before the events of the last week. Hiding in his bunker while Biden was out with protesters can't help his polls, especially with women and minorities. The entire point is Trump voters in 2016 need to vote Biden in 2020. We know there will be anti-Trump voters. But will there be enough pro-Biden voters? That part is what I am questioning. While everyone is currently concerned with Covid and riots....the actual election is taking a backseat...huge advantage to Trump. And add in the fact that Biden is already a candidate with his own questionable past and it shouldn't shock anyone if a Florida goes Republican again. The "UFC and WWE are essential because they're huge Republican donors" state shouldn't be a shock to anyone if it votes for Trump. The fact 4 more years of tyranny is in the hands of the states you listed should concern everyone. But why the Democrats elect a Biden and allow him to become background noise during all this is quite the tactics to chose during a pandemic when trying to toss out the incumbent elected official. They have enough money and resources that all we should be seeing on our TV's and on our social media is Joe Biden's face and Trump's crimes. But the democrats are letting the MSM news cycle walk Trump to another re-election. And I hope i'm very wrong on that. But there's 4 years of history now telling us that the country and its media have let him blur the lines. And once it gets back to key words like "economy" "jobs" and fear of healthcare/police/gun reform I can see all those Trump states vote the exact same as they did before. All Biden is presenting himself as is the anti-Trump. Not what he'll do for places like Ohio or Florida if he wins. The longer he lets all this keep him from really campaigning the less change he'll have in November. And Trump's voter suppression tactics havent even ramped up yet which will add even more confusion leading up to voting day. Covid is hot helping Trump, he has dropped by 4-5 points in the pools in the last 2 months. Botching a crisis doesn't prove to anybody you should be president. Even Faux News was criticizing his tear gas to peaceful protestors for a photo op at a church.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:50:16 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 2, 2020 10:50:16 GMT -4
Covid is hot helping Trump, he has dropped by 4-5 points in the pools in the last 2 months. Botching a crisis doesn't prove to anybody you should be president. Even Faux News was criticizing his tear gas to peaceful protestors for a photo op at a church. If someone is watching "Faux News" as you call it for their news content then you're not changing their mind about Trump imo. Their criticism is useless at this point. The same group who thought grabbing at female genitalia was funny and no issue for a major politician. Its the equivalent of watching a regional NHL broadcast for your favorite team. The team might lose the game but you're still coming back for the next one. So Fox News might not be 100% backing of every single Trump item. But they're still his base and network.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:52:02 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2020 10:52:02 GMT -4
When Trump has been busy lighting himself on fire in 2020, the best thing Biden can do is get out of the way. He has been steadily climbing the polls while Trump shoots himself in the foot with all the bumbling of the pandemic. The best thing Biden can do is let him go. save his bullets for a few months before the election and and target areas to go for the kill, mostly Florida, Penn and Michigan. If he wins those 3 it's game, set and match. What if the pandemic and civil unrest essentially create a war time feel meaning the more Biden waits the less chance he has to actually win? The flip side to your plan is he waits and completely blows up within certain counties in those states and ends up having absolutely no shot and looks back on all this wasted time and wonders why the democrats did nothing while Trump had many weekly press conferences. I've heard more from Andrew Scheer, the outgoing Canadian PC leader who lost in 2019, then i've heard from 2020 Presidental candidate Joe Biden whose country is an absolute train wreck. I should be needing to avoid Joe Biden press. Joe Biden's past. Joe Biden's credentials. Joe Biden's family, work history, political wins, etc, etc, etc. All i've noticed is an old man wearing a mask, mostly in a quarantine I have to assume, who has promised some police oversight board within his first 100 days. Pandering to the democratic voters, basically. But zero reason why any 2016 Trump voter should/would vote for him. Other then the fact he's not Trump. Which isn't exactly a great position to take. What a ridiculous comment. First of all, Scheer has made an ass of himself and given Trudeau a huge boost in the polls with stupid comments. while trump was in his bunker all weekend Biden was out in the community speaking to protesters and commenting on the situation. What exactly do you expect him to do? storm the White house? The press covers every little thing Trump does, he sucks the media oxygen up, that is both a good and a bad thing, because when he screws up, it gets that much more attention. As I said before,the best thing Biden can do it let Trump keep lighting himself on fire and take the win. trump is clearly frustrated because all these fake conspiracies the media ate up in 2016 are being fact checked and debunked and it's not moving the needle. His own campaign is telling him he is in deep trouble in swing states(Ari Fla Pen Mich Ohio NC Wisc). He basically needs to almost sweep those, especially Florida.
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Jun 2, 2020 10:55:35 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2020 10:55:35 GMT -4
Covid is hot helping Trump, he has dropped by 4-5 points in the pools in the last 2 months. Botching a crisis doesn't prove to anybody you should be president. Even Faux News was criticizing his tear gas to peaceful protestors for a photo op at a church. If someone is watching "Faux News" as you call it for their news content then you're not changing their mind about Trump imo. Their criticism is useless at this point. The same group who thought grabbing at female genitalia was funny and no issue for a major politician. Its the equivalent of watching a regional NHL broadcast for your favorite team. The team might lose the game but you're still coming back for the next one. So Fox News might not be 100% backing of every single Trump item. But they're still his base and network. all it takes is for 10% of those that watch Faux News to tire of the rhetoric and lies and stay home Nov 3rd to make a big impact. Not all GOP voters are Trump's "base", a lot of them held their noses and voted for him in 2016. Project Lincoln is a GOP led group running ads on that very network... lincolnproject.us/
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Jun 2, 2020 11:01:24 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 2, 2020 11:01:24 GMT -4
What if the pandemic and civil unrest essentially create a war time feel meaning the more Biden waits the less chance he has to actually win? The flip side to your plan is he waits and completely blows up within certain counties in those states and ends up having absolutely no shot and looks back on all this wasted time and wonders why the democrats did nothing while Trump had many weekly press conferences. I've heard more from Andrew Scheer, the outgoing Canadian PC leader who lost in 2019, then i've heard from 2020 Presidental candidate Joe Biden whose country is an absolute train wreck. I should be needing to avoid Joe Biden press. Joe Biden's past. Joe Biden's credentials. Joe Biden's family, work history, political wins, etc, etc, etc. All i've noticed is an old man wearing a mask, mostly in a quarantine I have to assume, who has promised some police oversight board within his first 100 days. Pandering to the democratic voters, basically. But zero reason why any 2016 Trump voter should/would vote for him. Other then the fact he's not Trump. Which isn't exactly a great position to take. What a ridiculous comment. First of all, Scheer has made an ass of himself and given Trudeau a huge boost in the polls with stupid comments. while trump was in his bunker all weekend Biden was out in the community speaking to protesters and commenting on the situation. What exactly do you expect him to do? storm the White house? The press covers every little thing Trump does, he sucks the media oxygen up, that is both a good and a bad thing, because when he screws up, it gets that much more attention. As I said before,the best thing Biden can do it let Trump keep lighting himself on fire and take the win. trump is clearly frustrated because all these fake conspiracies the media ate up in 2016 are being fact checked and debunked and it's not moving the needle. His own campaign is telling him he is in deep trouble in swing states(Ari Fla Pen Mich Ohio NC Wisc). He basically needs to almost sweep those, especially Florida. Trudeau gave himself a boost by handling things well. Scheer was non-existant until polling showed Trudeau's popularity soaring and then he started putting himself in front of cameras and pandering for parliament to sit again and for his wife and kids to fly around the country with our politicians. I didn't say Scheer helped himself by opening his mouth....but i'm saying he's been on my TV, in my news articles, etc way more then Joe Biden is. So yes if Biden needs to "storm the white house" to get peoples attention that is what he has to do. It was both Clinton AND Trump doing it in 2016. I'm seeing Biden acting like a secondary character right now. Not a future leader. He should be on newscasts nightly being interviewed about the state of his country. On every social media outlet with interviews, policy announcements.....it's 2020 and it's NEVER been easier to get yourself out there through your own means. We are talking the democratic nominee for President in 2020. They should have endless amounts of money to use to bury Trump, his talking points, and his followers logic. Instead by taking this "let him sink himself" approach they're choosing to proceed with a candidate American's won't feel like they know or trust as compared to the guy 60 million voted for in 2016. I hope his plan of not being present and not being vocal leads to victory. But it's not hard to see how it blows up on him. It already is to me. But the next 5 months will determine if i'm right or if he needs to completely change his strategy and go full court press with the media and his own social media outlets. How there's any option but that right now just blows me away.
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Jun 2, 2020 11:04:23 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jun 2, 2020 11:04:23 GMT -4
I don't love Biden as a candidate but I disagree that he has not been visible. He literally just delivered a public address moments ago, he has delivered several others in the last few days. Has been out to a local protest for George Floyd, was out at a community church speaking to black leaders. Visited a Memorial on Memorial day with his wife. Perhaps he just does not seem visible because he is not an exciting politician and really is just the status quo. He's never going to be a guy that gives reality show soundbites that go viral. To me his VP selection is a bigger deal than himself as a candidate. Someone more progressive and passionate as a speaker to balance him out and bring out the younger voters who haven't been showing up. We're also still 5 months out from the election.
He's not swaying any die hard Trump voters. The biggest issue they have to contend with is Voter Supression which gets zero coverage in the media because its a boring topic. Places with hundreds and hundreds of polling sites in low income areas are going down to 4 or 5. Folks with limited income may have no way to get to these sites. This is the big reason why Trump is being a crybaby on mail in voting. He understands more people voting = Trump losing.
They can prop up the DOW as much as they want to try and keep it high until election time, but the economy is only working for the rich. I honestly laugh and am sad at the same time watching so many of Trumps poor base use "but ECONOMY!!" as an argument for Trump when he doesn't give a shit about them or their economic situation. Millions and millions of these people think they are always 1 break away from being in the 1% like their corrupt republican party representatives. The rest of Trumps base is either extremely rich or evangelicals who think the rapture is coming.
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Jun 2, 2020 11:05:20 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 2, 2020 11:05:20 GMT -4
If someone is watching "Faux News" as you call it for their news content then you're not changing their mind about Trump imo. Their criticism is useless at this point. The same group who thought grabbing at female genitalia was funny and no issue for a major politician. Its the equivalent of watching a regional NHL broadcast for your favorite team. The team might lose the game but you're still coming back for the next one. So Fox News might not be 100% backing of every single Trump item. But they're still his base and network. all it takes is for 10% of those that watch Faux News to tire of the rhetoric and lies and stay home Nov 3rd to make a big impact. Not all GOP voters are Trump's "base", a lot of them held their noses and voted for him in 2016. Project Lincoln is a GOP led group running ads on that very network... lincolnproject.us/Fox News panders to Republicans. CNN tries to walk some center line that doesn't exist. Do you think Fox or CNN turns off more Trump voters? And the same question only for Democrats. I think way more Democrats get frustrated with the system and watching how CNN reports on it then Republicans get fed up with Fox News. The MSM cycle is not turning off the Trump voters in my opinion. It's feeding them more of what they enjoy.
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