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Jun 2, 2020 15:12:53 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2020 15:12:53 GMT -4
"They need an all in front from everyone, celebrities like Taylor Swift who have way more rabid fans than Joe Biden have been speaking out more, and that needs to continue from every one of these larger than life figures. Fans of the Taylor Swifts and Beyonces will do just about anything to get attention from their heroes." ------ I wish somebody would do a study on the effectiveness of this because they use this tactic all the time and it fails as much as it ever succeeds. I think for reason. First the followers of those celebrities already hated Trump, they hated George W and Reagan too. Didnt help Gore or Hillary. In fact the night b4 Hillary lost they had a big celebrity rock concert in Philly and it was all over social media and the news showing how the next day America would be this great place when Hillary wins. If you dont get a push from that you just wont. They lost Pennsylvania! These events make it look like rich Hollywood people without a care in the world supporting this candidate and so it often drives away support they may have accidentally got. And every day it's pretty clear where Hollywood types stand. Just watch the shows they produce and the causes they support year round. People vote more based on relationships with people similar to them. The people in the community and on the ground. Success to candidates at the grassroots well organized. How Trump won in 2016 was only chasing 35% of the vote. You need to come across as being the only dude in their corner and lock them in. Hollywood is not really in your corner. If your election depends on me checking my Twitter to see if PK Subban can say something suave enough to remind me to vote you might not win. My point being, they need to get more creative to get them out. Yes many of these followers already hate trump, but didnt vote so they can hate him all they want and question why hes in power but if they don't show up at the polls they are part of the problem. They need to double, triple their efforts whatever they have to do to get them out. The other point that needs to be made is that this isn't all Trumps fault. The republican party who sits back silently, going anonymously to news sources of how disgusted they are by his behaviour but rarely publicly speaking out for fear of dear leader are just as much as part of the problem and in all honestly a bigger part of the problem. The senators had their chance to remove him from office in January. Susan Collins said she thought by impeaching him he's "learned his lesson" but continues to make statements on twitter about how "concerned", or "disappointed" she is by the moves he makes but takes no actual action. The ones who sit silently never to criticize him are even worse. Flipping the Senate is just as important in this election. Democrats and Independants voted in big numbers in 2018, that's why the dems did so well in the mid terms. Trump is not really doing anything in 2020 to kill the passion to vote him out. His voter supression just fuels them more.
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Trump
Jun 2, 2020 15:17:11 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 2, 2020 15:17:11 GMT -4
John Harwood (@johnjharwood) tweeted at 9:44 a.m. on Tue., Jun. 02, 2020: Morning Consult national poll, May 31-June1, in Trump’s handling of protest: all adults 20% excellent/good 54% only fair/poor age 18-34 16%-57% age 65+ 28%-50% independents 11%-53% whites 21%-50% blacks 11%-77% Hispanics 13%-54% evangelical Christians 27%-43% suburban women 15%-58% non-college whites 22%-45% college whites 19%-61% Trump 2016 voters 43%-23% Pretty ugly results, even his own voters are only at 43% and Evangelicals at 27%. remarkably these polls only add up to 70-75% - so 1/4 of voters are on the fence or dont care (or wont answer) And guess this poll was prior to last night. Since polls come out a couple days later. So if you are a "law and order" type of voter and on Sunday the pollster called and you were disgusted because of the mayhem out there and the police being overrun in their precinct, maybe you approve that Trump got bold and weighed in with more might on Tuesday. Does he get a spike? Not like there is room to go down. Is there? Polls are funny. 11% blacks approve? What is their breaking point? And 43% was actually Trumps overall approval # back in January. In Canada a leader would be ecstatic with that. At the end of the day you only really care about would be voters. Voters who you have a shot at. Many of these he has no hope of gaining and didnt have them last time. Approval numbers do not always translate into votes. And disapproval numbers only matter if they vote. I would like to see the numbers here again after this crisis plays out. Also would like to see similar numbers for people like Minnesota governor, NYC mayor, Atlanta mayor, and the like. And the million dollar question are you changing or basing your voter intention on just this?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 2, 2020 15:27:57 GMT -4
John Harwood (@johnjharwood) tweeted at 9:44 a.m. on Tue., Jun. 02, 2020: Morning Consult national poll, May 31-June1, in Trump’s handling of protest: all adults 20% excellent/good 54% only fair/poor age 18-34 16%-57% age 65+ 28%-50% independents 11%-53% whites 21%-50% blacks 11%-77% Hispanics 13%-54% evangelical Christians 27%-43% suburban women 15%-58% non-college whites 22%-45% college whites 19%-61% Trump 2016 voters 43%-23% Pretty ugly results, even his own voters are only at 43% and Evangelicals at 27%. remarkably these polls only add up to 70-75% - so 1/4 of voters are on the fence or dont care (or wont answer) And guess this poll was prior to last night. Since polls come out a couple days later. So if you are a "law and order" type of voter and on Sunday the pollster called and you were disgusted because of the mayhem out there and the police being overrun in their precinct, maybe you approve that Trump got bold and weighed in with more might on Tuesday. Does he get a spike? Not like there is room to go down. Is there? Polls are funny. 11% blacks approve? What is their breaking point? And 43% was actually Trumps overall approval # back in January. In Canada a leader would be ecstatic with that. At the end of the day you only really care about would be voters. Voters who you have a shot at. Many of these he has no hope of gaining and didnt have them last time. Approval numbers do not always translate into votes. And disapproval numbers only matter if they vote. I would like to see the numbers here again after this crisis plays out. Also would like to see similar numbers for people like Minnesota governor, NYC mayor, Atlanta mayor, and the like. And the million dollar question are you changing or basing your voter intention on just this? Trump's polling has been fairly consistent over the 4 years, largely due to those that watch Faux News get a quite different twist on reality than the rest of the planet. I'm surprised how badly he did with Evangelicals and his 2016 voters. as you said, it's just a snapshot and thing can and will change. I think some voters want him to be "tougher" by wielding the national guard while others want him to be a leader. Had he stood up and been a leader he could have helped himself in the election, that's where he is struggling with Independants and disenfranchised Dems. More sabre rattling will be great for the base but the base won't get him close to elected in November. I think the optics of the photo op with the bible and everything around it can't be popular with evangelicals, but who know, he was always a VERY weird fit for them...the guy with 3 wives who never goes to church and grabs women by the P%%$#.
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Trump
Jun 2, 2020 15:28:57 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 2, 2020 15:28:57 GMT -4
Oh and great discussion here today guys. If only the bigger stage of world could be as well toned. All good viewpoints and thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:19:11 GMT -4
I'm not a Trump supporter and found it shocking to see he even got elected in the first place.
Watching the US News broadcasts - it's no longer about George Floyd or about Covid-19 or even about protesting. All everybody is talking about is Trump - especially CNN as every single news anchor and person they interview goes up one side of Trump and down the other.
Meanwhile - everybody can't seem to see what Mr. Average Joe in America is seeing. . .
There were two choices to decide from - and you could only pick one - there was no middle ground as most people are suggesting.
Do you:
A: Stand back and allow the burning and looting to continue?
Or - B: Do you make the decision that this is going to stop - and it's going to stop today?
IMO - and I hope that I'm wrong - but throw the bible waving out the window. Trump probably just got himself re-elected by the blue collar American Joe who would rather see the looting and burning stop than justice prevail.
I'm not much for politics and won't be adding to this thread - but you've got anchor people who are supposed to be bringing the news in an unbiased and neutral manner with fairness to each side of the issues.
Instead - one anchor person after another kicks off their segment the same way - "Trump has to go! I've seen it all now! Sending in the National Guard for a photo op." - and on and on it goes. That kind of bias always seems to have a way of backfiring as Average Joe doesn't like being told what to think - how to think - and who to vote for.
JMO.
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Trump
Jun 2, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -4
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Post by lirette on Jun 2, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -4
The under secretary of defense has filed his resignation due to the embarrassing photo op yesterday
Couple things: The media is one of the only remaining check & balance left on the president. The guy literally watches CNN and comments on it all the time on Twitter. He fires inspector generals on a monthly basis as soon as they investigate him.
I reject the idea that Trump is some victim of the media & I see it all too often. It is literally one of his talking points. It is not their job to lavish him with compliments. He tries to project strength but he is a coward who won't even take questions anymore because he is terrified to deal with strong female reporters.
The protests in the ground are overwhelmingly about George Floyd. Do most stations show the looting & destruction because they have their own self interest (ratings) ? Absolutely. You can get almost everything you need from YouTube streams on the ground & flipping around main stream channels for breaking developments and you will see the George Floyd protests without talking heads & opinion. Several streamers are at the memorial site in Minneapolis 8-10 hours a day documenting the protests, interviewing everyday people.
It is really important as a news follower to separate news vs opinion.
The mass crowds in DC today are incredible & there is more organization starting to build. Reports out of cities like Atlanta that protestors are policing looters themselves.
You don't need the media whatsoever to make an assessment on Trump. Watch his briefings on CSPAN with zero commentary, look at his tweets, look at his actions. You might be tired of hearing about Trump but he is the president of the united states and has yet to do a single meaningful thing that address what is happening while overwhelming support for change is being asked for on a global scale.
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Trump
Jun 9, 2020 15:07:46 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jun 9, 2020 15:07:46 GMT -4
25th Amendment lets go
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Trump
Jun 9, 2020 15:45:03 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 9, 2020 15:45:03 GMT -4
I know he loves to peddle in wingnut conspiracy theories, but who would actually believe this shit? One we would need to be a moron to watch Faux news says these conspiracies and say "yumm, give me somne more!".
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Trump
Jun 9, 2020 16:21:38 GMT -4
Post by hal on Jun 9, 2020 16:21:38 GMT -4
Funny that Loon didn't suggest it was Fake Blood . As Bad as the Democrats were/are for not getting on the same page ......If Biden picks the Right VP Running Mate and they don't get baited into a War of Words with this Coo Coo Bird then ...Maybe ....Just Maybe .....his Reign will come to an end .......then the Question is ...Will he Leave ?
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Trump
Jun 10, 2020 8:11:34 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 10, 2020 8:11:34 GMT -4
Funny that Loon didn't suggest it was Fake Blood . As Bad as the Democrats were/are for not getting on the same page ......If Biden picks the Right VP Running Mate and they don't get baited into a War of Words with this Coo Coo Bird then ...Maybe ....Just Maybe .....his Reign will come to an end .......then the Question is ...Will he Leave ? If Biden gets in a war of words, what will he say? They tried to investigate Biden's son and Trump's own DOJ and FBI said there was nothing illegal there. Trump's only claim to fame, the economy, which he inherited from Obama, it at 16% unemployment, they even had to post wrong numbers as a ply to get good news out. A pandemic which they botched and may cost 200,000 lives and 3,000,000 sick. Now the Black lives Matter marches where Trump just hides in his bunker and can't say anything.
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Trump
Jun 10, 2020 10:29:46 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jun 10, 2020 10:29:46 GMT -4
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Trump
Jun 10, 2020 11:32:15 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 10, 2020 11:32:15 GMT -4
I can't imagine someone doing that here, in the Us voter supression, closing polling stations in certain demographics and gerrymandering is just part of daily life. If that happened here there would be outrage and those who did it would be shamed and canned.
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Post by warrenmc on Jun 10, 2020 18:13:09 GMT -4
Lirette an all-start on r/halifax these days.
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Trump
Jun 10, 2020 20:49:18 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jun 10, 2020 20:49:18 GMT -4
Lirette an all-start on r/halifax these days. I do what I can.
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Trump
Jun 10, 2020 20:56:15 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jun 10, 2020 20:56:15 GMT -4
I can't imagine someone doing that here, in the Us voter supression, closing polling stations in certain demographics and gerrymandering is just part of daily life. If that happened here there would be outrage and those who did it would be shamed and canned. I've always heard about gerrymandering but it really became clear to me how awful it is when I saw these 2 maps today for republican congressman today. Taking the Senate during this election they could get a lot done having the majority in all 3 houses to undo all the damage trump has done, especially on things like environmental policy rollbacks.
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