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Trump
Sept 30, 2020 18:01:54 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Sept 30, 2020 18:01:54 GMT -4
OH MY ...........I just watched the Highlights of the US Presidential Debate ........The Whole World is Laughing at them .....That may have been the most embarrasing thing that was ever put on display in front of the Viewing Public .....The Moderator ....There is no way he could have prepared for this ...right out of the gate it went off the rails . The only way to have a debate with Trump in it is to mute his mic. He has no answer for most of the key issues...Covid, the recession, climate change, racial tensions and his tax tax returns so he has to resort to ranting, interrupting Biden and telling lies. that debate was hard to watch... that said MOST debates people talk over each other. They need to rethink debates and how they work going forward because it's not getting any less polarized in politics. Even in Canada as civilized as we are when you get one louder interrupter type it takes away from the effort. People still like debates for the theatrics. Can this candidate think on their feet? Do they really know the issues? And can someone back up their claims about other guy to their face? And then you get the open public forum type debates where some people are naturals (like Trudeau) and it becomes more personality than substance. I suggest lock them in two rooms on camera all time and let them answer question but cut them off when time ends. Dont let it devolve. That's on the debate organizers. They need cooperation of candidates but they arent tough enough.
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Trump
Oct 2, 2020 4:35:47 GMT -4
Post by hal on Oct 2, 2020 4:35:47 GMT -4
TRUMP TESTS POSITIVE FOR CORONA VIRUS ............and that aint......... FAKE NEWS . www.cnn.com/
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Trump
Oct 2, 2020 6:57:24 GMT -4
Post by ysj28 on Oct 2, 2020 6:57:24 GMT -4
Thoughts and prayers.
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Trump
Oct 2, 2020 7:56:12 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 2, 2020 7:56:12 GMT -4
The only way to have a debate with Trump in it is to mute his mic. He has no answer for most of the key issues...Covid, the recession, climate change, racial tensions and his tax tax returns so he has to resort to ranting, interrupting Biden and telling lies. that debate was hard to watch... that said MOST debates people talk over each other. They need to rethink debates and how they work going forward because it's not getting any less polarized in politics. Even in Canada as civilized as we are when you get one louder interrupter type it takes away from the effort. People still like debates for the theatrics. Can this candidate think on their feet? Do they really know the issues? And can someone back up their claims about other guy to their face? And then you get the open public forum type debates where some people are naturals (like Trudeau) and it becomes more personality than substance. I suggest lock them in two rooms on camera all time and let them answer question but cut them off when time ends. Dont let it devolve. That's on the debate organizers. They need cooperation of candidates but they arent tough enough. I think the format is fine, it's just normal society rules are not made for narcissistic idiots who think rules don't apply to them. with Trump you need the ability to cut off his mic.
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Trump
Oct 2, 2020 7:58:56 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 2, 2020 7:58:56 GMT -4
TRUMP TESTS POSITIVE FOR CORONA VIRUS ............and that aint......... FAKE NEWS . www.cnn.com/Their arrogance finally caught up to them, Trump has been against masks from day 1 and even got mad at staff for wearing them, also having super spreader events where his "fans" were shoulder to shoulder with no mask. There was a Dr on TV this morning saying the risk of getting it is diminished 600% by wearing a mask. If you could put a device on your car that cut accidents by 600% , most people would spend big money to get it...but a $2 mask...
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Trump
Oct 2, 2020 8:10:35 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Oct 2, 2020 8:10:35 GMT -4
TRUMP TESTS POSITIVE FOR CORONA VIRUS ............and that aint......... FAKE NEWS . www.cnn.com/Their arrogance finally caught up to them, Trump has been against masks from day 1 and even got mad at staff for wearing them, also having super spreader events where his "fans" were shoulder to shoulder with no mask. There was a Dr on TV this morning saying the risk of getting it is diminished 600% by wearing a mask. If you could put a device on your car that cut accidents by 600% , most people would spend big money to get it...but a $2 mask... If Trump had always worn a mask and litigiously followed protocols (in public) and still got the virus it would havd hurt the public health message. I know here in Canada some politicians caught it and they usually followed protocol. So good thing Trump is arrogant. If he werent that way we be more cueing the "masks dont work" crowd. So good thing he was arrogant. This was the best scenario and the best example of stupidity and non-compliance to perhaps address a problem that is not just an issue in US but in Canada too where people gather in large groups close proximity and no masks.
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Trump
Nov 3, 2020 6:33:34 GMT -4
Post by hal on Nov 3, 2020 6:33:34 GMT -4
DECISION DAY .........Biden "SHOULD" win this thing but who the hell knows . The line I thought hit home with me more than any thing else I ever heard in regards to this Shit Show was from some Political Science Professor from New York University , when comparing the Two Candidates was...
" I have no doubt that Joe Biden would Take a Bullet in the Heart for America " ....."I also have no doubt that Donald Trump would put a Bullet in the Heart of America " .
Kinda sums it up ......Don't it ?
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Trump
Nov 3, 2020 9:09:40 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2020 9:09:40 GMT -4
DECISION DAY .........Biden "SHOULD" win this thing but who the hell knows . The line I thought hit home with me more than any thing else I ever heard in regards to this Shit Show was from some Political Science Professor from New York University , when comparing the Two Candidates was... " I have no doubt that Joe Biden would Take a Bullet in the Heart for America " ....."I also have no doubt that Donald Trump would put a Bullet in the Heart of America " . Kinda sums it up ......Don't it ? I think it will be very hard for Trump to win...for the following reasons... 1-Part of the reasons he won in 2016 is to drop voter turn out, that has backfired big time both in 2018 mid terms(Dems won huge) and current election where almost 75% of the 2016 vote is already in via early voting, they are expecting 20-25% more votes total than in 2016. 2-His "throw shit against the wall and hope something sticks" tactics worked in 2016 because it was new in US politics and the media ran with it with no fact checking. This year the mainsteam(non Faux News) media has ignored much of his crazy statements plus the "Hunter Biden laptop" that Giuliani got from a blind guy in Deleware(Hunter Biden lives in California, why would he fly to Del to get an old laptop fixed?).His "Biden is a socialist" claim has largely flopped because Biden has been a centrist his whole career in the Senate. 3-The landscape of the south is rapidly changing from a GOP stronghold to Democrat with changing demographics and growing suburbs in Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, Charlotte and Atlanta. When NC Georgia Arizona and Texas are swing states, the Trump/GOP base gets really really small. 4-In 2016 Trump was an outsider and not a known commodity politically, he could boast that he would fix Washington and drain the swamp and a lot of voters figured, what the heck let's give it a try. 4 years later, a lot have realized that he is more of a politician than just about anybody and has filled the swamp more instead of draining it with corruption and partisanship on many issues. 2020 would be a much bigger upset than 2016, in 2016 with the Comey thing and Wikileaks the polls were tightening as the election approached. This year, Biden's lead has grown from 4-5 points 6 months ago to 8-9 points based on most polls today. projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ The only reason it won't be a full drubbing(420-116 type) is Faux News and other far right media insulates Trump from any kind of accountability on Covid as well as his racist rhetoric of standing with far right groups. Pete Buttieg was on Faux news multiple times in the last month and fact checks a lot of their claims and they seem stunned to get push back on some of this stuff. I optimistically predict Biden gets 351 with Pa Ga Fl Me2 and NC. Trump barely holds on to Tx Oh and Ia for 187. www.270towin.com/maps/consensus-2020-electoral-map-forecast
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Nov 3, 2020 9:28:07 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Nov 3, 2020 9:28:07 GMT -4
Feels like a good day for change.
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Trump
Nov 3, 2020 11:09:23 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2020 11:09:23 GMT -4
Trump got elected in 2016 because a big part of America (enough to get him elected) wanted something different than the canned politically-correct typical politician BS. Trump is the exact opposite of that as we all know. But now that they have had that for 4 yrs, they are re-thinking that decision and many of his original supporters are switching sides. It should be a Biden victory, but may get tied up in court for months. But we thought Hilary had it won also at this time 4 yrs ago.
If Trump wins tonight/tomorrow (whenever all the votes are counted) I fear for what may happen in the streets of America.
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Trump
Nov 3, 2020 11:47:32 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2020 11:47:32 GMT -4
Trump got elected in 2016 because a big part of America (enough to get him elected) wanted something different than the canned politically-correct typical politician BS. Trump is the exact opposite of that as we all know. But now that they have had that for 4 yrs, they are re-thinking that decision and many of his original supporters are switching sides. It should be a Biden victory, but may get tied up in court for months. But we thought Hilary had it won also at this time 4 yrs ago. If Trump wins tonight/tomorrow (whenever all the votes are counted) I fear for what may happen in the streets of America. Even if Biden wins in anything less than a landslide, Trump is just the guy to encourage his supporters to do stupid things. The best thing for even the GOP is Trump gets lambasted and they get to rebuild their party, the longer Trump and his enablers hand around, the longer the rebuild will be.
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Nov 3, 2020 11:59:57 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Nov 3, 2020 11:59:57 GMT -4
Trump got elected in 2016 because a big part of America (enough to get him elected) wanted something different than the canned politically-correct typical politician BS. Trump is the exact opposite of that as we all know. But now that they have had that for 4 yrs, they are re-thinking that decision and many of his original supporters are switching sides. It should be a Biden victory, but may get tied up in court for months. But we thought Hilary had it won also at this time 4 yrs ago. If Trump wins tonight/tomorrow (whenever all the votes are counted) I fear for what may happen in the streets of America. Even if Biden wins in anything less than a landslide, Trump is just the guy to encourage his supporters to do stupid things. The best thing for even the GOP is Trump gets lambasted and they get to rebuild their party, the longer Trump and his enablers hand around, the longer the rebuild will be. A big percentage of his followers have been radicalized by various conspiracy groups and Trump himself. I really don't know how they rebuild their party without completely separating it in 2. They truly believe everyone of Trumps political opponents are criminals and should be locked up. That trump is a savior from worlds pedophiles ,, that covid is a hoax and fauci is in on it etc. They are in an entirely different reality. Any rational conversation around policy is gone. The mainstream part of the party choose to do very little to condemn the fringe of that party which has given it more and more room to grow. They even have candidates for congress and current sitting republicans who believe this dangerous garbage. They deserve every bit of reckoning coming to them for idly standing by not wanting to give up any support in exchange for doing the right thing.
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Nov 3, 2020 12:29:07 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2020 12:29:07 GMT -4
Even if Biden wins in anything less than a landslide, Trump is just the guy to encourage his supporters to do stupid things. The best thing for even the GOP is Trump gets lambasted and they get to rebuild their party, the longer Trump and his enablers hand around, the longer the rebuild will be. A big percentage of his followers have been radicalized by various conspiracy groups and Trump himself. I really don't know how they rebuild their party without completely separating it in 2. They truly believe everyone of Trumps political opponents are criminals and should be locked up. That trump is a savior from worlds pedophiles ,, that covid is a hoax and fauci is in on it etc. They are in an entirely different reality. Any rational conversation around policy is gone. The mainstream part of the party choose to do very little to condemn the fringe of that party which has given it more and more room to grow. They even have candidates for congress and current sitting republicans who believe this dangerous garbage. They deserve every bit of reckoning coming to them for idly standing by not wanting to give up any support in exchange for doing the right thing. Agree, Trump took them to a very dangerous place and it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle. I think it may start with Fox news...I think if/when Trump loses he and his entourage will start their own far right network, if Fox goes more centrist they may take most conservatives with them and only the fringe follows Trump...but that fringe is 15-20 maybe 25% of American voters/adults. Hard to say where the Qanon movement ends and normal conservatives start any more...
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Trump
Nov 3, 2020 16:04:21 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 3, 2020 16:04:21 GMT -4
Trump got elected in 2016 because a big part of America (enough to get him elected) wanted something different than the canned politically-correct typical politician BS. Trump is the exact opposite of that as we all know. But now that they have had that for 4 yrs, they are re-thinking that decision and many of his original supporters are switching sides. It should be a Biden victory, but may get tied up in court for months. But we thought Hilary had it won also at this time 4 yrs ago. If Trump wins tonight/tomorrow (whenever all the votes are counted) I fear for what may happen in the streets of America. In 2016 there were also parts of the country that felt left out or forgotten in the Obama years. Places like Michigan which never really recovered from the 2008 collapse. The 2008 Obama election had record involvement and hope. When you win by that much and inspire so many there is only one direction things can go. People woke up from the dream and some felt left behind which opened door to candidate Trump. Hillary only campaigned in the states that Democrats didnt take for granted. The people in places like Michigan/Wisconsin stayed home or voted in protest for someone who said what they wanted to hear like "I will bring jobs back from Mexico and redo these bad trade deals". Biden may win tonight. He hasn't had to work for it but already 50% of Ameticans have cast votes. That's Obama level engagement by people. What will they do when a year down the road they wake up and realize Biden is president? These parties lack real leaders with real ideas. I dont expect much from a 78 year old president. It opens the door for another populist to arise in 4 years
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Nov 3, 2020 16:15:18 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2020 16:15:18 GMT -4
Trump got elected in 2016 because a big part of America (enough to get him elected) wanted something different than the canned politically-correct typical politician BS. Trump is the exact opposite of that as we all know. But now that they have had that for 4 yrs, they are re-thinking that decision and many of his original supporters are switching sides. It should be a Biden victory, but may get tied up in court for months. But we thought Hilary had it won also at this time 4 yrs ago. If Trump wins tonight/tomorrow (whenever all the votes are counted) I fear for what may happen in the streets of America. In 2016 there were also parts of the country that felt left out or forgotten in the Obama years. Places like Michigan which never really recovered from the 2008 collapse. The 2008 Obama election had record involvement and hope. When you win by that much and inspire so many there is only one direction things can go. People woke up from the dream and some felt left behind which opened door to candidate Trump. Hillary only campaigned in the states that Democrats didnt take for granted. The people in places like Michigan/Wisconsin stayed home or voted in protest for someone who said what they wanted to hear like "I will bring jobs back from Mexico and redo these bad trade deals". Biden may win tonight. He hasn't had to work for it but already 50% of Ameticans have cast votes. That's Obama level engagement by people. What will they do when a year down the road they wake up and realize Biden is president? These parties lack real leaders with real ideas. I dont expect much from a 78 year old president. It opens the door for another populist to arise in 4 years The US will not elect anybody young with new ideas until the 30-40% of their population that thinks having a gun on them is life and death and is stuck in the 1800's is dead. A second huge factor is the Pharma, gun and oil lobbies with their billions.
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