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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 11:59:40 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 4, 2021 11:59:40 GMT -4
This is the quote that everybody is going on about ... "So look, all I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,". That quote is the truth (not the "won the state" part) ... he wants to find that many votes. He thinks they were thrown out or shredded or whatever form of fraud may have (or may not have) occurred. Nowhere did he threaten or bully anybody into making up cast ballots that would change the outcome. He is simply stating what he is looking for, which is no surprise to anybody because that is what he needs to overturn the result. He is desperate, I agree, because losing is the biggest blow to his ego that he has ever seen. If you take the quote out of context then you can easily misconstrue what he said. And that's what the media loves to do. I am not a Trump supporter ... will be happy to see him gone. But I am a hater of what the media has become. This is not about the media, this was an hour long call in a 2 month campaign to try and intimidate the Georgia AG into committing fraud for him. I read this morning that Trump has reached out to him EIGHTEEN times!!! He has done the same in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona and possibly other states. Trump knows he lost, he is just so used to the GOP in DC letting him get away with crimes(see Ukraine call and impeachment) and corruption that he thinks GOP at state levels will do the same. Georgia had like three recounts and the votes were certified by the state and AG. Trump isn't a politician, he is a mob boss trying to push his "capos" to commit crimes on his behalf. Staying in the WH has nothing to do with doing the job as president, he's basically been AWOL for 6 months golfing and watching cable news, what he really covets is the immunity to prosecution that the presidency provides and which will disappear in 2 1/2 weeks. If the US is serious about not being a banana republic, they need a Biden AG who will investigate and prosecute Trump, not a BS pardon like Nixon got from Ford which indirectly led us to Trump.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 4, 2021 12:33:49 GMT -4
This is the quote that everybody is going on about ... "So look, all I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,". That quote is the truth (not the "won the state" part) ... he wants to find that many votes. He thinks they were thrown out or shredded or whatever form of fraud may have (or may not have) occurred. Nowhere did he threaten or bully anybody into making up cast ballots that would change the outcome. He is simply stating what he is looking for, which is no surprise to anybody because that is what he needs to overturn the result. He is desperate, I agree, because losing is the biggest blow to his ego that he has ever seen. If you take the quote out of context then you can easily misconstrue what he said. And that's what the media loves to do. I am not a Trump supporter ... will be happy to see him gone. But I am a hater of what the media has become. This is not about the media, this was an hour long call in a 2 month campaign to try and intimidate the Georgia AG into committing fraud for him. I read this morning that Trump has reached out to him EIGHTEEN times!!! He has done the same in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona and possibly other states. Trump knows he lost, he is just so used to the GOP in DC letting him get away with crimes(see Ukraine call and impeachment) and corruption that he thinks GOP at state levels will do the same. Georgia had like three recounts and the votes were certified by the state and AG. Trump isn't a politician, he is a mob boss trying to push his "capos" to commit crimes on his behalf. Staying in the WH has nothing to do with doing the job as president, he's basically been AWOL for 6 months golfing and watching cable news, what he really covets is the immunity to prosecution that the presidency provides and which will disappear in 2 1/2 weeks. If the US is serious about not being a banana republic, they need a Biden AG who will investigate and prosecute Trump, not a BS pardon like Nixon got from Ford which indirectly led us to Trump. Doesn't matter ... this is the sound bite the media is running with, which shows nothing of what they say it does.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 12:44:37 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 4, 2021 12:44:37 GMT -4
This is not about the media, this was an hour long call in a 2 month campaign to try and intimidate the Georgia AG into committing fraud for him. I read this morning that Trump has reached out to him EIGHTEEN times!!! He has done the same in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona and possibly other states. Trump knows he lost, he is just so used to the GOP in DC letting him get away with crimes(see Ukraine call and impeachment) and corruption that he thinks GOP at state levels will do the same. Georgia had like three recounts and the votes were certified by the state and AG. Trump isn't a politician, he is a mob boss trying to push his "capos" to commit crimes on his behalf. Staying in the WH has nothing to do with doing the job as president, he's basically been AWOL for 6 months golfing and watching cable news, what he really covets is the immunity to prosecution that the presidency provides and which will disappear in 2 1/2 weeks. If the US is serious about not being a banana republic, they need a Biden AG who will investigate and prosecute Trump, not a BS pardon like Nixon got from Ford which indirectly led us to Trump. Doesn't matter ... this is the sound bite the media is running with, which shows nothing of what they say it does. That sound bite shows an attempt to obstruct. You take ONE article and attach it to THE MEDIA. That's like talking an Austalian on the internet and he's an ass so you start saying all Australians are asses.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 4, 2021 12:54:38 GMT -4
Doesn't matter ... this is the sound bite the media is running with, which shows nothing of what they say it does. That sound bite shows an attempt to obstruct. You take ONE article and attach it to THE MEDIA. That's like talking an Austalian on the internet and he's an ass so you start saying all Australians are asses. All media sites are running this sound bite. It only sounds like coercion if you want it to. Word for word he has not asked anybody to commit a fraud.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 13:42:32 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jan 4, 2021 13:42:32 GMT -4
That sound bite shows an attempt to obstruct. You take ONE article and attach it to THE MEDIA. That's like talking an Austalian on the internet and he's an ass so you start saying all Australians are asses. All media sites are running this sound bite. It only sounds like coercion if you want it to. Word for word he has not asked anybody to commit a fraud. Does "the media" include the Washington Post who released the initial clips and also posted the entire 1 hour phone call for anyone interested to listen to? This whole idea of taking all media outlets and attaching them to some conspiracy around taking down Trump is a talking point directly from his rallies easily digestible for his base. There are all kinds of different media outlets with varying levels of integrity, bias, and fact reporting. There is also separating opinion articles from news articles. You should always check your information from 3-4 sources rather than get everything from 1. Reuters is an example of an outlet that scores high on factual reporting and with little bias and do not use loaded headlines. Or AP, who feeds thousands of other news outlets mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/ mediabiasfactcheck.com/associated-press/The problem with Trump is, he lies every single day. Worse than any politician than we've ever seen. How else is the media supposed to cover him ? Even take for instance in this very 1 hour phone call and in a separate clip from what you are talking about. He once again repeats a lie that more people voted in Detroit than live there. This is such an easily disproven claim. Around 250K voted and there were over 500K voting eligible. Why does he do this? This isn't a politician who makes a bunch of promises he doesn't keep (he does that too). He is operating with his own set of facts separate from reality. I'll let the legal experts decide on if what he did was a crime, but Georgian Republican officials stating the call was inappropriate and not ruling out an investigation is quite telling. If nothing else it is undemocratic and reprehensible.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 13:58:10 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 4, 2021 13:58:10 GMT -4
That sound bite shows an attempt to obstruct. You take ONE article and attach it to THE MEDIA. That's like talking an Austalian on the internet and he's an ass so you start saying all Australians are asses. All media sites are running this sound bite. It only sounds like coercion if you want it to. Word for word he has not asked anybody to commit a fraud. You can't possibly be that dumb...
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 14:42:52 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 4, 2021 14:42:52 GMT -4
That sound bite shows an attempt to obstruct. You take ONE article and attach it to THE MEDIA. That's like talking an Austalian on the internet and he's an ass so you start saying all Australians are asses. All media sites are running this sound bite. It only sounds like coercion if you want it to. Word for word he has not asked anybody to commit a fraud. Just curious: Are we supposed to ignore all the work being done by the Washington Post over the last few years because they're "the media"? Because from releasing the full audio of the Trump call to the 10 former defensive secretaries op-ed recently it seems extremely short sighted to not hear the clear obstruction of justice attempts from those tapes and pass it off as something the media did. All the media did was release audio of a tape. The rest is up to us. What media should I listen to/ingest my news from to avoid the awful negative "the media" group that people keep speaking of? Because to most people that answer is the infowars extreme right wing garbage. So who should we be viewing to get fair and accurate unbias reporting?
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 14:47:19 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 4, 2021 14:47:19 GMT -4
All media sites are running this sound bite. It only sounds like coercion if you want it to. Word for word he has not asked anybody to commit a fraud. Does "the media" include the Washington Post who released the initial clips and also posted the entire 1 hour phone call for anyone interested to listen to? This whole idea of taking all media outlets and attaching them to some conspiracy around taking down Trump is a talking point directly from his rallies easily digestible for his base. There are all kinds of different media outlets with varying levels of integrity, bias, and fact reporting. There is also separating opinion articles from news articles. You should always check your information from 3-4 sources rather than get everything from 1. Reuters is an example of an outlet that scores high on factual reporting and with little bias and do not use loaded headlines. Or AP, who feeds thousands of other news outlets mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/ mediabiasfactcheck.com/associated-press/The problem with Trump is, he lies every single day. Worse than any politician than we've ever seen. How else is the media supposed to cover him ? Even take for instance in this very 1 hour phone call and in a separate clip from what you are talking about. He once again repeats a lie that more people voted in Detroit than live there. This is such an easily disproven claim. Around 250K voted and there were over 500K voting eligible. Why does he do this? This isn't a politician who makes a bunch of promises he doesn't keep (he does that too). He is operating with his own set of facts separate from reality. I'll let the legal experts decide on if what he did was a crime, but Georgian Republican officials stating the call was inappropriate and not ruling out an investigation is quite telling. If nothing else it is undemocratic and reprehensible. The one thing Trump stuck to was draining the swamp. He's done an amazing job showing us which Republicans are absolute traitors to their country and the American way of life. Anyone still backing his this week is a fraud and an opportunist...not a politican. The politicans are the Mitt Romney's speaking the truth not the Ted Cruz's backing attempts to steal the election results when we're so far past that happening to even still be clinging to it shows your true nature. While his base thought the Pelosi's were the ones to go all Trump's done is really ignite the far left while exposing the far right...the complete opposite of what he was supposed to do. If the 2 senate seats in GA go to the Dem's the Republican ship is going to be something to watch sink for the next 2 years.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 14:48:27 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jan 4, 2021 14:48:27 GMT -4
All media sites are running this sound bite. It only sounds like coercion if you want it to. Word for word he has not asked anybody to commit a fraud. You can't possibly be that dumb... Dissect the words for me then ... from the quote I provided. Show me where he is performing "obstruction" as you called it. Again I am just going on what the media sources are showing to me ... what they want me to hear, and I see a lot of exaggeration based on what he is actually saying, just like you are saying. Its the same as the time Trump asked a question to a medical professional in a news conference ... "can we inject them with some sort of disinfectant or something like that?" (paraphrasing because I don't have his exact words ... but I watched the video). Then all of a sudden media sources are saying "Trump said to inject Lysol to kill COVID". It is reprehensible the misrepresentation that gets done by the media.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 15:23:47 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 4, 2021 15:23:47 GMT -4
You can't possibly be that dumb... Dissect the words for me then ... from the quote I provided. Show me where he is performing "obstruction" as you called it. Again I am just going on what the media sources are showing to me ... what they want me to hear, and I see a lot of exaggeration based on what he is actually saying, just like you are saying. Its the same as the time Trump asked a question to a medical professional in a news conference ... "can we inject them with some sort of disinfectant or something like that?" (paraphrasing because I don't have his exact words ... but I watched the video). Then all of a sudden media sources are saying "Trump said to inject Lysol to kill COVID". It is reprehensible the misrepresentation that gets done by the media. All "the media" did was produce a tape of Trump trying to get the Georgia AG to break a few laws for him and change votes from an election result that was certified and recounted 3 times. This is mob boss level extortion. Arguing about headlines is semantics and avoiding the point. The obstruction is trying to get them to change the vote totals, pretty obvious if you listen to the call. It's like the Moncton Transcript posting a video of you Steve UL breaking into a store and walking out with a bunch of stuff, that's not about "the media".
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 15:43:50 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jan 4, 2021 15:43:50 GMT -4
You can't possibly be that dumb... Dissect the words for me then ... from the quote I provided. Show me where he is performing "obstruction" as you called it. Again I am just going on what the media sources are showing to me ... what they want me to hear, and I see a lot of exaggeration based on what he is actually saying, just like you are saying. Its the same as the time Trump asked a question to a medical professional in a news conference ... "can we inject them with some sort of disinfectant or something like that?" (paraphrasing because I don't have his exact words ... but I watched the video). Then all of a sudden media sources are saying "Trump said to inject Lysol to kill COVID". It is reprehensible the misrepresentation that gets done by the media. This is the quote. "and then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. and is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. So it'd be interesting to check that" Perhaps you have a particular example you took the most issue with ? Every outlet covers things differently. A few examples of how this was covered. Trump's COVID-19 disinfectant ideas horrify health experts www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN2261OL Trump disinfectant remarks led to hundreds of hotline calls apnews.com/article/1277796568e97fc5d598514287d16a90Don’t inject disinfectants, Lysol warns as Trump raises idea apnews.com/article/2fa0dd7e570e098149e5300f41fd0acbTrump floats another bogus coronavirus cure — and his administration scrambles to stop people from injecting disinfectants www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-floats-another-bogus-coronavirus-cure--and-his-administration-scrambles-to-stop-people-from-injecting-disinfectants/2020/04/24/77759238-8644-11ea-a3eb-e9fc93160703_story.htmlCoronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177If Trump didn't want "the media" to cover his quote, perhaps he shouldn't have said it? Several media outlets covered the press conferences in full, in case you think he's being intentionally taken out of context.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 15:47:10 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 4, 2021 15:47:10 GMT -4
You can't possibly be that dumb... Dissect the words for me then ... from the quote I provided. Show me where he is performing "obstruction" as you called it. Again I am just going on what the media sources are showing to me ... what they want me to hear, and I see a lot of exaggeration based on what he is actually saying, just like you are saying. Its the same as the time Trump asked a question to a medical professional in a news conference ... "can we inject them with some sort of disinfectant or something like that?" (paraphrasing because I don't have his exact words ... but I watched the video). Then all of a sudden media sources are saying "Trump said to inject Lysol to kill COVID". It is reprehensible the misrepresentation that gets done by the media. How is what Trump is doing not reprehensible? He's literally calling the governor of a state he lost and telling him to find the votes in order to help him win. Whether it's by disqualifying voting machines in democratic districts or votes in ways like the mail that voted heavily against him. Selective interpretation as humans is also misrepresentation. To argue that the media is the issue in anything to do with Trump is really missing the lies and corruption that he's openly arrogant about and really shows how he's clouded peoples judgement. It's like some people WANT Trump to succeed in destroying a democracy with the lame "media" bashing. He's literally the Nixon/Watergate scandal of this time only he's openly bragging about his own corruption as he pardons all his cronies and lets his own party fracture itself.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 15:48:02 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 4, 2021 15:48:02 GMT -4
Dissect the words for me then ... from the quote I provided. Show me where he is performing "obstruction" as you called it. Again I am just going on what the media sources are showing to me ... what they want me to hear, and I see a lot of exaggeration based on what he is actually saying, just like you are saying. Its the same as the time Trump asked a question to a medical professional in a news conference ... "can we inject them with some sort of disinfectant or something like that?" (paraphrasing because I don't have his exact words ... but I watched the video). Then all of a sudden media sources are saying "Trump said to inject Lysol to kill COVID". It is reprehensible the misrepresentation that gets done by the media. This is the quote. "and then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. and is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. So it'd be interesting to check that" Perhaps you have a particular example you took the most issue with ? Every outlet covers things differently. A few examples of how this was covered. Trump's COVID-19 disinfectant ideas horrify health experts www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN2261OL Trump disinfectant remarks led to hundreds of hotline calls apnews.com/article/1277796568e97fc5d598514287d16a90Don’t inject disinfectants, Lysol warns as Trump raises idea apnews.com/article/2fa0dd7e570e098149e5300f41fd0acbTrump floats another bogus coronavirus cure — and his administration scrambles to stop people from injecting disinfectants www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-floats-another-bogus-coronavirus-cure--and-his-administration-scrambles-to-stop-people-from-injecting-disinfectants/2020/04/24/77759238-8644-11ea-a3eb-e9fc93160703_story.htmlCoronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177If Trump didn't want "the media" to cover his quote, perhaps he shouldn't have said it? Several media outlets covered the press conferences in full, in case you think he's being intentionally taken out of context. Regardless of the media reporting it, how idiotic and moronic was that comment. You have a guy who has nothing but the best in terms of experts in these fields but you think you're smarter than them and say this kind of thing in public. It would be bad enough to say it in a meeting with 10-12 experts but to do it in a press conference where everybody in the world sees you.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 15:51:17 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 4, 2021 15:51:17 GMT -4
Dissect the words for me then ... from the quote I provided. Show me where he is performing "obstruction" as you called it. Again I am just going on what the media sources are showing to me ... what they want me to hear, and I see a lot of exaggeration based on what he is actually saying, just like you are saying. Its the same as the time Trump asked a question to a medical professional in a news conference ... "can we inject them with some sort of disinfectant or something like that?" (paraphrasing because I don't have his exact words ... but I watched the video). Then all of a sudden media sources are saying "Trump said to inject Lysol to kill COVID". It is reprehensible the misrepresentation that gets done by the media. How is what Trump is doing not reprehensible? He's literally calling the governor of a state he lost and telling him to find the votes in order to help him win. Whether it's by disqualifying voting machines in democratic districts or votes in ways like the mail that voted heavily against him. Selective interpretation as humans is also misrepresentation. To argue that the media is the issue in anything to do with Trump is really missing the lies and corruption that he's openly arrogant about and really shows how he's clouded peoples judgement. It's like some people WANT Trump to succeed in destroying a democracy with the lame "media" bashing. He's literally the Nixon/Watergate scandal of this time only he's openly bragging about his own corruption as he pardons all his cronies and lets his own party fracture itself. The worst is, that before Georgia there was Ukraine and also Arizona, and Pennsylvania and Michigan. You have "patriotic" Americans who pretend to love their institutions, flag and constitution, but have no issue with this clown openly crapping on free and fair elections and making up conspiracies that can be disproven in 2 minutes with a Google machine.
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Trump
Jan 4, 2021 15:59:52 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 4, 2021 15:59:52 GMT -4
How is what Trump is doing not reprehensible? He's literally calling the governor of a state he lost and telling him to find the votes in order to help him win. Whether it's by disqualifying voting machines in democratic districts or votes in ways like the mail that voted heavily against him. Selective interpretation as humans is also misrepresentation. To argue that the media is the issue in anything to do with Trump is really missing the lies and corruption that he's openly arrogant about and really shows how he's clouded peoples judgement. It's like some people WANT Trump to succeed in destroying a democracy with the lame "media" bashing. He's literally the Nixon/Watergate scandal of this time only he's openly bragging about his own corruption as he pardons all his cronies and lets his own party fracture itself. The worst is, that before Georgia there was Ukraine and also Arizona, and Pennsylvania and Michigan. You have "patriotic" Americans who pretend to love their institutions, flag and constitution, but have no issue with this clown openly crapping on free and fair elections and making up conspiracies that can be disproven in 2 minutes with a Google machine. Every American not questioning the integrity of those still questioning the election results needs to question their own morals. It's political chaos for absolutely nothing but personal gain and to feed the toxic extreme right. There is no and has been no legitimate proof of any voting issues. The end results wasn't close to the point that no 1 close county/state decided anything on its own. It's political grandstanding only meant to feed a toxic base that in turn financially supports the treasonous actions and defends it as some kind of political blue v red game.
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