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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 8:42:42 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2021 8:42:42 GMT -4
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will flush whatever reputation they have down the toilet for Trump and his MAGAts. Rudy talking about trial by combat yesterday.... I am like wait... WHAT??? Was he watching GOT during his Covid rest?
His family needs to have an intervention already...
Anyways about yesterday... Trump should just resign but he won't, luckily it is only 13 days left. Pundits going off about BLM/Antifa but that doesn't give your side the right to do the exact same thing especially when you know the media is going to show it for the world to see. A decade ago the Tea Party protested peacefully and now this... just disgusting and now anyone on the right who isn't going to be happy with how the next 2/4 years probably much longer is going to go won't have the free reign to peacefully protest.
The Capitol police were not only not prepared but let them breach the fences. There should be an investigation into that, how can security be so lax at one of the most symbolic buildings on the planet...on a day where Trump has been talking about them being there for 3 or 4 weeks. Somebody should get fired.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 9:47:28 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jan 7, 2021 9:47:28 GMT -4
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will flush whatever reputation they have down the toilet for Trump and his MAGAts. Rudy talking about trial by combat yesterday.... I am like wait... WHAT??? Was he watching GOT during his Covid rest?
His family needs to have an intervention already...
luckily it is only 13 days left. .
This man has access to the nuke codes, and facing double digit serious investigations as soon as he's out of office. He has nothing to lose and runs entirely on personal grievances. 13 days is a long time. Resignations are starting to come in fast and the 25th amendment needs to happen immediately. If these baffoons can get this close to the elected officials with relative ease how vulnerable is the US to attack from a foreign enemy right now? Also for anyone thinking we in Canada aren't going to see Trumpism arrive here, there was a rally outside Calgary city hall in support of this insurrection. Every country is vulnerable to Populism, especially with the radicalization you see on social media via disinformation. Go into any facebook news chasers page and you will see exactly the type of people who think like the folks you saw storm the capitol today. There are a lot more people that believe that Trudeau was setting up covid internment camps and planning for some great reset with a kabal of global leaders than you'd probably think. Things like Qanon haven't entirely hit mainstream in Canada yet but trust me the movement is growing. The woman who was shot in the Capitol today believe heavily in Qanon and other conspiracies and likely genuinely believed she was saving humanity.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 9:55:36 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 7, 2021 9:55:36 GMT -4
Rudy talking about trial by combat yesterday.... I am like wait... WHAT??? Was he watching GOT during his Covid rest?
His family needs to have an intervention already...
luckily it is only 13 days left. .
This man has access to the nuke codes, and facing double digit serious investigations as soon as he's out of office. He has nothing to lose and runs entirely on personal grievances. 13 days is a long time. Resignations are starting to come in fast and the 25th amendment needs to happen immediately. If these baffoons can get this close to the elected officials with relative ease how vulnerable is the US to attack from a foreign enemy right now? Also for anyone thinking we in Canada aren't going to see Trumpism arrive here, there was a rally outside Calgary city hall in support of this insurrection. Every country is vulnerable to Populism, especially with the radicalization you see on social media via disinformation. Go into any facebook news chasers page and you will see exactly the type of people who think like the folks you saw storm the capitol today. There are a lot more people that believe that Trudeau was setting up covid internment camps and planning for some great reset with a kabal of global leaders than you'd probably think. Things like Qanon haven't entirely hit mainstream in Canada yet but trust me the movement is growing. The woman who was shot in the Capitol today believe heavily in Qanon and other conspiracies and likely genuinely believed she was saving humanity. I can't help but think it's all part of a bigger plan. If Pence replaces him before Jan 20....can Pence pardon him? Ya know what...lets not go there lol
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:08:55 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2021 10:08:55 GMT -4
Rudy talking about trial by combat yesterday.... I am like wait... WHAT??? Was he watching GOT during his Covid rest?
His family needs to have an intervention already...
luckily it is only 13 days left. .
This man has access to the nuke codes, and facing double digit serious investigations as soon as he's out of office. He has nothing to lose and runs entirely on personal grievances. 13 days is a long time. Resignations are starting to come in fast and the 25th amendment needs to happen immediately. If these baffoons can get this close to the elected officials with relative ease how vulnerable is the US to attack from a foreign enemy right now? Also for anyone thinking we in Canada aren't going to see Trumpism arrive here, there was a rally outside Calgary city hall in support of this insurrection. Every country is vulnerable to Populism, especially with the radicalization you see on social media via disinformation. Go into any facebook news chasers page and you will see exactly the type of people who think like the folks you saw storm the capitol today. There are a lot more people that believe that Trudeau was setting up covid internment camps and planning for some great reset with a kabal of global leaders than you'd probably think. Things like Qanon haven't entirely hit mainstream in Canada yet but trust me the movement is growing. The woman who was shot in the Capitol today believe heavily in Qanon and other conspiracies and likely genuinely believed she was saving humanity. There have always been some of these elements throughout history. The dangerous part right now is you have a head of state spreading easily proven disinformation and a certain "news" channel parroting his talking points to an army of sheep who eat it all up without a second thought. THAT is the really dangerous part. I have to laugh that the whole GOP platform against Hillary Clinton was she was a security risk due to her e-mails...this guy is 10 steps beyond that.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:09:29 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Jan 7, 2021 10:09:29 GMT -4
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will flush whatever reputation they have down the toilet for Trump and his MAGAts. Rudy talking about trial by combat yesterday.... I am like wait... WHAT??? Was he watching GOT during his Covid rest?
His family needs to have an intervention already...
Anyways about yesterday... Trump should just resign but he won't, luckily it is only 13 days left. Pundits going off about BLM/Antifa but that doesn't give your side the right to do the exact same thing especially when you know the media is going to show it for the world to see. A decade ago the Tea Party protested peacefully and now this... just disgusting and now anyone on the right who isn't going to be happy with how the next 2/4 years probably much longer is going to go won't have the free reign to peacefully protest.
BLM/Antifa never stormed a capital building and were never treated with such kid gloves by police. Just to make this clear. The BLM protests lasted the best part of a year, were much larger and had a smaller body count than right in a single day. These people are fascists attempting a coup on behalf of their beloved dictator. This is not "exactly the same thing" as BLM. Not even in the same stratosphere.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:10:11 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2021 10:10:11 GMT -4
This man has access to the nuke codes, and facing double digit serious investigations as soon as he's out of office. He has nothing to lose and runs entirely on personal grievances. 13 days is a long time. Resignations are starting to come in fast and the 25th amendment needs to happen immediately. If these baffoons can get this close to the elected officials with relative ease how vulnerable is the US to attack from a foreign enemy right now? Also for anyone thinking we in Canada aren't going to see Trumpism arrive here, there was a rally outside Calgary city hall in support of this insurrection. Every country is vulnerable to Populism, especially with the radicalization you see on social media via disinformation. Go into any facebook news chasers page and you will see exactly the type of people who think like the folks you saw storm the capitol today. There are a lot more people that believe that Trudeau was setting up covid internment camps and planning for some great reset with a kabal of global leaders than you'd probably think. Things like Qanon haven't entirely hit mainstream in Canada yet but trust me the movement is growing. The woman who was shot in the Capitol today believe heavily in Qanon and other conspiracies and likely genuinely believed she was saving humanity. I can't help but think it's all part of a bigger plan. If Pence replaces him before Jan 20....can Pence pardon him? Ya know what...lets not go there lol I'm not sure Pence would pardon him after the way Trump threw him under the bus yesterday. Pence was one of the 1st people they put into hiding when the attack occurred. Also, a lot of the hot water Trump is in is state crimes in NY which are related to bank and income tax fraud for which there is no federal pardon.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2021 10:15:57 GMT -4
Rudy talking about trial by combat yesterday.... I am like wait... WHAT??? Was he watching GOT during his Covid rest?
His family needs to have an intervention already...
Anyways about yesterday... Trump should just resign but he won't, luckily it is only 13 days left. Pundits going off about BLM/Antifa but that doesn't give your side the right to do the exact same thing especially when you know the media is going to show it for the world to see. A decade ago the Tea Party protested peacefully and now this... just disgusting and now anyone on the right who isn't going to be happy with how the next 2/4 years probably much longer is going to go won't have the free reign to peacefully protest.
BLM/Antifa never stormed a capital building and were never treated with such kid gloves by police. Just to make this clear. The BLM protests lasted the best part of a year, were much larger and had a smaller body count than right in a single day. These people are fascists attempting a coup on behalf of their beloved dictator. This is not "exactly the same thing" as BLM. Not even in the same stratosphere. Plus, a lot of the looting had nothing to do with the BLM protests. They were either opportunists that used it as a front to loot and vandalize, some were "bugaboo boys" who basically went there to destroy property so the protests were seen as looting, some were actually charged. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floydThe media covered it as BLM burning down a police precinct but a white supremacist lit the fire. This is similar to what Charles Manson was trying to do 40+ years ago.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:17:58 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Jan 7, 2021 10:17:58 GMT -4
I'm not sure Pence would pardon him after the way Trump threw him under the bus yesterday. Pence was one of the 1st people they put into hiding when the attack occurred. Also, a lot of the hot water Trump is in is state crimes in NY which are related to bank and income tax fraud for which there is no federal pardon. Pence is a coward who will do whatever is politically expedient for him. He's already been thrown under the bus by Trump even back in 2015, but he still meekly submitted to him because it allowed him to become VP. Pence has no dignity, the question is does he think the republican party belongs to the "moderates" or the fascists Trumpists now? The silver lining in this is the Republican base is going to be split and they may not win another election for a generation... hopefully.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:25:50 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Jan 7, 2021 10:25:50 GMT -4
I can't help but think it's all part of a bigger plan. If Pence replaces him before Jan 20....can Pence pardon him? Ya know what...lets not go there lol I'm not sure Pence would pardon him after the way Trump threw him under the bus yesterday. Pence was one of the 1st people they put into hiding when the attack occurred. Also, a lot of the hot water Trump is in is state crimes in NY which are related to bank and income tax fraud for which there is no federal pardon. Like anything else Trump touches he's now botched his own plan. He's given Pence an easy out not to pardon him. Pence should never be forgiven for enabling this man for as long as he has, but taking opinion out of it the equation I could see a scenario where if Pence feels the party can succeed without Trumpism he can use all of this in his 2024 run. How he did the "right thing" for America when it mattered most by calling in the National Guard during the insurrection despite Trump pushing back and enjoying the attack, and by approving of the Biden certification. Of course all of these things are actually bare minimum expectations of any political leader, but thats where we are at. Admitting an election was won fairly suddenly makes you a hero now. This will be a way to separate himself in the primaries to the more moderate side of the party, compared to guys like Hawley & Cruz. No one really knows at this point what the die hard Trump supporters will do in future elections, its possible they've disenfranchised many of them having convinced them voting is rigged.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:25:58 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 7, 2021 10:25:58 GMT -4
I can't help but think it's all part of a bigger plan. If Pence replaces him before Jan 20....can Pence pardon him? Ya know what...lets not go there lol I'm not sure Pence would pardon him after the way Trump threw him under the bus yesterday. Pence was one of the 1st people they put into hiding when the attack occurred. Also, a lot of the hot water Trump is in is state crimes in NY which are related to bank and income tax fraud for which there is no federal pardon. So you're already willing to trust Pence a bit. After he promoted and encouraged this shit for 4 years. It took only ONE day of not waving Trump's flag and you're arguing why Pence may do the right thing. No wonder people are so cynical of all this. If you're as anti Trump as you have been....how do you literally flip on someone like Pence like this and give him any benefit of the doubt after yesterday and just separate Pence as if he hasn't been as involved as anyone the last 4 years. The fact you think he's going to see any penalty for income tax fraud is laughable to me. The treason charges are what he should be trying to avoid now. People clinging to NY state arresting him on 1/21 are delusional in my opinion but I certainly hope i'm wrong.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:27:56 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 7, 2021 10:27:56 GMT -4
I'm not sure Pence would pardon him after the way Trump threw him under the bus yesterday. Pence was one of the 1st people they put into hiding when the attack occurred. Also, a lot of the hot water Trump is in is state crimes in NY which are related to bank and income tax fraud for which there is no federal pardon. Like anything else Trump touches he's now botched his own plan. He's given Pence an easy out not to pardon him. Pence should never be forgiven for enabling this man for as long as he has, but taking opinion out of it the equation I could see a scenario where if Pence feels the party can succeed without Trumpism he can use all of this in his 2024 run. How he did the "right thing" for America when it mattered most by calling in the National Guard during the insurrection despite Trump pushing back and enjoying the attack, and by approving of the Biden certification. This will be a way to separate himself in the primaries to the more moderate side of the party, compared to guys like Hawley & Cruz. No one really knows at this point what the die hard Trump supporters will do in future elections, its possible they've disenfranchised many of them having convinced them voting is rigged. All the GOP politicians will separate themselves now. Anyone who lets them do so is just letting them off easy. If Pence gets to wash his hands of this with 2 weeks left and gains any support...it's no wonder how this has been able to go on for 4 years. And why it will inevitably happen during every election cycle for the rest of our lives.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:30:40 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2021 10:30:40 GMT -4
I'm not sure Pence would pardon him after the way Trump threw him under the bus yesterday. Pence was one of the 1st people they put into hiding when the attack occurred. Also, a lot of the hot water Trump is in is state crimes in NY which are related to bank and income tax fraud for which there is no federal pardon. Pence is a coward who will do whatever is politically expedient for him. He's already been thrown under the bus by Trump even back in 2015, but he still meekly submitted to him because it allowed him to become VP. Pence has no dignity, the question is does he think the republican party belongs to the "moderates" or the fascists Trumpists now? The silver lining in this is the Republican base is going to be split and they may not win another election for a generation... hopefully. They are sad and pathetic. Most of their election strategy is not to campaign on things the majority wants, they just try and stop minorities from voting. That's their whole strategy. Having a clown who possesses ZERO conservative beliefs or morals at the helm just exposes them for the greedy opportunists they are. they helped Trump win to get their judges and tax cuts, that was the tradeoff, now trump is turning on them for not going along with his made up "election fraud" story line.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:36:02 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2021 10:36:02 GMT -4
I'm not sure Pence would pardon him after the way Trump threw him under the bus yesterday. Pence was one of the 1st people they put into hiding when the attack occurred. Also, a lot of the hot water Trump is in is state crimes in NY which are related to bank and income tax fraud for which there is no federal pardon. So you're already willing to trust Pence a bit. After he promoted and encouraged this shit for 4 years. It took only ONE day of not waving Trump's flag and you're arguing why Pence may do the right thing. No wonder people are so cynical of all this. If you're as anti Trump as you have been....how do you literally flip on someone like Pence like this and give him any benefit of the doubt after yesterday and just separate Pence as if he hasn't been as involved as anyone the last 4 years. The fact you think he's going to see any penalty for income tax fraud is laughable to me. The treason charges are what he should be trying to avoid now. People clinging to NY state arresting him on 1/21 are delusional in my opinion but I certainly hope i'm wrong. I don't think they will arrest him, but I think you will see them come after him. I think he will be dead by the time jail time arrives, but he will take the family down with him. If only to expose all the crimes and corruption, Biden's AG needs to appoint somebody to investigate and possibly prosecute, start with Russia and Ukraine and go to sedition. In terms of Pence, the minute he would take over he wouldn't need to be Trump's lap dog, doubt he would suddenly turn on him, but don't see a pardon either. I'm not even sure it would be lawful, any good AG could say he was complicit anyways. Same as they will likely do for Flynn, Manfort and co
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:42:03 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 7, 2021 10:42:03 GMT -4
Like anything else Trump touches he's now botched his own plan. He's given Pence an easy out not to pardon him. Pence should never be forgiven for enabling this man for as long as he has, but taking opinion out of it the equation I could see a scenario where if Pence feels the party can succeed without Trumpism he can use all of this in his 2024 run. How he did the "right thing" for America when it mattered most by calling in the National Guard during the insurrection despite Trump pushing back and enjoying the attack, and by approving of the Biden certification. This will be a way to separate himself in the primaries to the more moderate side of the party, compared to guys like Hawley & Cruz. No one really knows at this point what the die hard Trump supporters will do in future elections, its possible they've disenfranchised many of them having convinced them voting is rigged. All the GOP politicians will separate themselves now. Anyone who lets them do so is just letting them off easy. If Pence gets to wash his hands of this with 2 weeks left and gains any support...it's no wonder how this has been able to go on for 4 years. And why it will inevitably happen during every election cycle for the rest of our lives. Most of the GOP will have the Trump shit stain on them. Unless Trump is wildly popular in 2, 4 and 6 years, guys like Cruz, Rubio, Graham, Pence etc will wear the last 4 years in whatever race they enter. The Dems will not let them forget it. I think in about 6 months we will see a fraying of the GOP, it will be quite a tap dance for whoever wants to take over for 2024 and those that run on purple states in 2022. Trump's shadow will still be very present, but I think he will try and pivot to a new project to distract from his November drubbing. Try and rebuild his image.
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Trump
Jan 7, 2021 10:42:14 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 7, 2021 10:42:14 GMT -4
Pence is a coward who will do whatever is politically expedient for him. He's already been thrown under the bus by Trump even back in 2015, but he still meekly submitted to him because it allowed him to become VP. Pence has no dignity, the question is does he think the republican party belongs to the "moderates" or the fascists Trumpists now? The silver lining in this is the Republican base is going to be split and they may not win another election for a generation... hopefully. They are sad and pathetic. Most of their election strategy is not to campaign on things the majority wants, they just try and stop minorities from voting. That's their whole strategy. Having a clown who possesses ZERO conservative beliefs or morals at the helm just exposes them for the greedy opportunists they are. they helped Trump win to get their judges and tax cuts, that was the tradeoff, now trump is turning on them for not going along with his made up "election fraud" story line. Their strategy is to convince people with fear and lies. They didn't try and stop Cubans from voting in Florida. Because they used attack ads to convince them Biden and the dems are socialists. He'd gladly throw out white people votes depending on what states they're in.
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