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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 21:06:12 GMT -4
Yet managed 40 points in 66 games ... and played well in the playoffs and down the stretch. Clearly he was not an established star, hence the limited trade value in the summer ... but he was a player that many felt was on the rise as a 19 year old and could have had value to us as an OA ... OR value in a trade... but nobody figured in the Shannon discount. Shannon discount: Player willing to play in the Q, remove 30%. Player wants to go NCAA, add 30%. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 19, 2016 8:42:13 GMT -4
I was listening to the pregame on radio and heard a funny exchange.
Stephane Paquette was saying how things would turn around and the cats are better than their record...Hodge then jumps in and says he disagrees, that they are who they are and will get worse as they are moving veterans at midseason. I'm surprised that this conversation did not go the other way, though Hodge probably has inside info and acts as a PR machine, spreading the WC gospel.
Last night was another example of how much work the cats have to do in terms of adding young skill, Halifax is largely led by kids, Gravel(16) in nets, Hischier(17) Higgins(17) Groulx(16) up front and McIsaac(16) Charlebois(17) Chainey(17) on defense. there are rough patches but those are skilled players and show up even at 16 or 17. The Cats have more/better veterans but are not flashing the same level of ability.
If you look at ice time, of the top 5D and top 9 forwards, the only 17 year olds playing those minutes are LeCoultre, McKenna and Campannelli. In 2 months, it should be like Halifax where 6-7 young players are among the top 9F top 5 D and starting goalie.
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Post by ronmac on Nov 19, 2016 9:32:26 GMT -4
I was listening to the pregame on radio and heard a funny exchange. Stephane Paquette was saying how things would turn around and the cats are better than their record...Hodge then jumps in and says he disagrees, that they are who they are and will get worse as they are moving veterans at midseason. I'm surprised that this conversation did not go the other way, though Hodge probably has inside info and acts as a PR machine, spreading the WC gospel. Last night was another example of how much work the cats have to do in terms of adding young skill, Halifax is largely led by kids, Gravel(16) in nets, Hischier(17) Higgins(17) Groulx(16) up front and McIsaac(16) Charlebois(17) Chainey(17) on defense. there are rough patches but those are skilled players and show up even at 16 or 17. The Cats have more/better veterans but are not flashing the same level of ability. If you look at ice time, of the top 5D and top 9 forwards, the only 17 year olds playing those minutes are LeCoultre, McKenna and Campannelli. In 2 months, it should be like Halifax where 6-7 young players are among the top 9F top 5 D and starting goalie. That's what you get when you draft in the first rounds, TALENT when you continue draft from the 3rd to the 6th round you end up with a bunch or 3rd and 4th line players, I am surprised Rumble continues to try and work with what Shannon KEEPS GIVING HIM TO WORK WITH. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 19, 2016 9:47:03 GMT -4
I was listening to the pregame on radio and heard a funny exchange. Stephane Paquette was saying how things would turn around and the cats are better than their record...Hodge then jumps in and says he disagrees, that they are who they are and will get worse as they are moving veterans at midseason. I'm surprised that this conversation did not go the other way, though Hodge probably has inside info and acts as a PR machine, spreading the WC gospel. Last night was another example of how much work the cats have to do in terms of adding young skill, Halifax is largely led by kids, Gravel(16) in nets, Hischier(17) Higgins(17) Groulx(16) up front and McIsaac(16) Charlebois(17) Chainey(17) on defense. there are rough patches but those are skilled players and show up even at 16 or 17. The Cats have more/better veterans but are not flashing the same level of ability. If you look at ice time, of the top 5D and top 9 forwards, the only 17 year olds playing those minutes are LeCoultre, McKenna and Campannelli. In 2 months, it should be like Halifax where 6-7 young players are among the top 9F top 5 D and starting goalie. That's what you get when you draft in the first rounds, TALENT when you continue draft from the 3rd to the 6th round you end up with a bunch or 3rd and 4th line players, I am surprised Rumble continues to try and work with what Shannon KEEPS GIVING HIM TO WORK WITH. on one hand he is probably one of the best paid coaches in the Q with Flynn, Tourigny and co On the flip side, if he wants a career in the pros, it won't happen with mediocre talent on his roster |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 19, 2016 9:57:33 GMT -4
That's what I think, always have a mediocre team and never winning anything doesn't do anything for Rumble, and it's out of his control, really time for Shannon to go !!!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 19, 2016 10:06:41 GMT -4
That's what I think, always have a mediocre team and never winning anything doesn't do anything for Rumble, and it's out of his control, really time for Shannon to go !!! I doubt that happens in the next 2 months. The dangerous thing is, Christmas trading period is the most important thing for the WC in the last 3-4 years. If they don't trade the right players and get top value, this can really go off the rails. FA's and mid round NCAA gambles can only get you so much. |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 19, 2016 10:14:14 GMT -4
It's truly amazing that Shannon keeps his job, I thought only the weatherman that could make that many mistakes and still keeps his job, truly amazing.
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Post by leftwinglock on Nov 19, 2016 16:54:20 GMT -4
It's truly amazing that Shannon keeps his job, I thought only the weatherman that could make that many mistakes and still keeps his job, truly amazing. It's not all on Roger Shannon it's the owner of the team who dictates a lot of what goes on. I hope they keep losing and Rumble and Shannon and convince him to sell pieces.... As of right now it's not looking promising... RKI needs to let the people he hired to run the team actually run the team and not the other way around.... |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 19, 2016 17:10:43 GMT -4
It's truly amazing that Shannon keeps his job, I thought only the weatherman that could make that many mistakes and still keeps his job, truly amazing. It's not all on Roger Shannon it's the owner of the team who dictates a lot of what goes on. I hope they keep losing and Rumble and Shannon and convince him to sell pieces.... As of right now it's not looking promising... RKI needs to let the people he hired to run the team actually run the team and not the other way around.... Well form the little bit I know of Robert Irving, he hires people who know the business and he lets them run with the ball until he sees they can't carry it, and then it's lights out. |
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Post by npsh on Nov 19, 2016 18:58:21 GMT -4
I was listening to the pregame on radio and heard a funny exchange. Stephane Paquette was saying how things would turn around and the cats are better than their record...Hodge then jumps in and says he disagrees, that they are who they are and will get worse as they are moving veterans at midseason. I'm surprised that this conversation did not go the other way, though Hodge probably has inside info and acts as a PR machine, spreading the WC gospel. Last night was another example of how much work the cats have to do in terms of adding young skill, Halifax is largely led by kids, Gravel(16) in nets, Hischier(17) Higgins(17) Groulx(16) up front and McIsaac(16) Charlebois(17) Chainey(17) on defense. there are rough patches but those are skilled players and show up even at 16 or 17. The Cats have more/better veterans but are not flashing the same level of ability. If you look at ice time, of the top 5D and top 9 forwards, the only 17 year olds playing those minutes are LeCoultre, McKenna and Campannelli. In 2 months, it should be like Halifax where 6-7 young players are among the top 9F top 5 D and starting goalie. I didn't realize the young age of those Halifax players, to me they looked good last night as I saw it. In this morning’s paper their coach indicated although young there is talent and he is quite happy with the progression and the team is getting better. Can't ask anything better than that and Halifax just may be a force to recon with in a couple of years. Sound familiar |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 19, 2016 19:05:09 GMT -4
It's truly amazing that Shannon keeps his job, I thought only the weatherman that could make that many mistakes and still keeps his job, truly amazing. It's not all on Roger Shannon it's the owner of the team who dictates a lot of what goes on. I hope they keep losing and Rumble and Shannon and convince him to sell pieces.... As of right now it's not looking promising... RKI needs to let the people he hired to run the team actually run the team and not the other way around.... RKI tells Shannon what he wants and that is usually asses in the seats every year with a competitive team. Shannon determines the value of the players to buy and trade and the strategies to make it happen. Both are failing at this point. Shannon's is easier to fire than RKI.  |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 19, 2016 19:17:28 GMT -4
It's not all on Roger Shannon it's the owner of the team who dictates a lot of what goes on. I hope they keep losing and Rumble and Shannon and convince him to sell pieces.... As of right now it's not looking promising... RKI needs to let the people he hired to run the team actually run the team and not the other way around.... RKI tells Shannon what he wants and that is usually asses in the seats every year with a competitive team. Shannon determines the value of the players to buy and trade and the strategies to make it happen. Both are failing at this point. Shannon's is easier to fire than RKI. Well then if RKI is pulling the strings, it's time for him to go, and let someone who wants to win, which was what I always thought RKI wanted, butts in the seats and wins in the board.? maybe I am wrong but that's not how I see it. |
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Post by leftwinglock on Nov 20, 2016 12:31:33 GMT -4
RKI tells Shannon what he wants and that is usually asses in the seats every year with a competitive team. Shannon determines the value of the players to buy and trade and the strategies to make it happen. Both are failing at this point. Shannon's is easier to fire than RKI. Well then if RKI is pulling the strings, it's time for him to go, and let someone who wants to win, which was what I always thought RKI wanted, butts in the seats and wins in the board.? maybe I am wrong but that's not how I see it. lol yeah cause we can fire the owner........ he's the only guy in the city who can actually afford the team... I guess we get a little we give a little..... he's the reason our team spins it's wheels but he's the reason we have a team to begin with. |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 20, 2016 12:46:35 GMT -4
Well then if RKI is pulling the strings, it's time for him to go, and let someone who wants to win, which was what I always thought RKI wanted, butts in the seats and wins in the board.? maybe I am wrong but that's not how I see it. lol yeah cause we can fire the owner........ he's the only guy in the city who can actually afford the team... I guess we get a little we give a little..... he's the reason our team spins it's wheels but he's the reason we have a team to begin with. I am sure with the 3rd best attendance in the league there might be some other interested parties. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 20, 2016 12:58:27 GMT -4
Well then if RKI is pulling the strings, it's time for him to go, and let someone who wants to win, which was what I always thought RKI wanted, butts in the seats and wins in the board.? maybe I am wrong but that's not how I see it. lol yeah cause we can fire the owner........ he's the only guy in the city who can actually afford the team... I guess we get a little we give a little..... he's the reason our team spins it's wheels but he's the reason we have a team to begin with. I heard rumors that the owner of Crown Plaza was interested in buying the WC, so it could happen. Negotiations are apparently not good between the WC and the team that operates the new rink. |
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