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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 9:23:26 GMT -4
Yeah, I think you're close there. I would have kept Donaghey and tried to get a 1st at midseason instead of a 4th. After the end of last season, a lot of fans felt like MacEwen was a player on the rise, and would have wanted us to keep him as an OA rather than deal him ... agree he was not worth much more on the trade market at the time than what he got us, but time has shown he would have been worth far more in our lineup. IMO, they were too quick to settle on Bouchard and Malatesta as locks for the lineup ... neither has brought that much to the table. In hindsight, trusting Bouchard had turned things around because of the playoffs was a big mistake. No hindsight needed in the Donaghey trade though, I said in the summer that he was the best of the possible OA's returning(assuming Garland stayed pro). |
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Post by bois on Nov 17, 2016 9:45:23 GMT -4
You should have kept MacEwen and found a goalie elsewhere Donaghey was not worth a 2nd because most people didnt think he would be back in the Q I wouldnt trade Boudrias and a first for anyone on the Wildcats roster let alone Cam Askew..... and I agree PO Joseph is untouchable unless it's for an astronomical return For Donaghey, if that's the case, then hold on to him until he is back. Bottom line, if you want to add a 19 year old on pace for 35-40 goals, that's about the going rate. At least that's where the asking price starts. maybe it drops a bit, but not a lot. don't get me wrong i would trade Boudrias and a first for certain players... just none of them happen to be on the Wildcats and i'm not an Askew fan lol |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 9:59:44 GMT -4
For Donaghey, if that's the case, then hold on to him until he is back. Bottom line, if you want to add a 19 year old on pace for 35-40 goals, that's about the going rate. At least that's where the asking price starts. maybe it drops a bit, but not a lot. don't get me wrong i would trade Boudrias and a first for certain players... just none of them happen to be on the Wildcats and i'm not an Askew fan lol I'm not a big Askew fan either, but he has size, can score and is only 19, those things should all drive his value. I think Askew Holwell and the Klimas are the Cats best shot at getting big value at midseason. Not sure a team pays big for Malatesta or Bower. Kelly Klima is really helping his value, not sure if his brother is hurt, but he seems to be under performing. With 10 players 19 or 20, the Cats are not that young a team despite the on ice struggles, need to move at least 4 maybe 5 of those veterans. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 10:46:14 GMT -4
Reading on the Halifax board I see Hischier and Fortier are among the top scorers in the Q...makes me sad as a WC fan to see all this elite talent go through Halifax the last few years...Drouin MacKinnon Ehlers Meier Groulx McIsaac Hischier Fortier...and the Cats have had Garland and Barbashev...pts things in perspective...
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Post by joehockey on Nov 17, 2016 11:34:09 GMT -4
don't get me wrong i would trade Boudrias and a first for certain players... just none of them happen to be on the Wildcats and i'm not an Askew fan lol I'm not a big Askew fan either, but he has size, can score and is only 19, those things should all drive his value. I think Askew Holwell and the Klimas are the Cats best shot at getting big value at midseason. Not sure a team pays big for Malatesta or Bower. Kelly Klima is really helping his value, not sure if his brother is hurt, but he seems to be under performing. With 10 players 19 or 20, the Cats are not that young a team despite the on ice struggles, need to move at least 4 maybe 5 of those veterans. If they move at least the Klimas, Askew and Holwell and get a good return for them then I think that will be good. I don't mind if they keep Wiederer, Bower, Cormier, Gagnon, Malatesta, and MacIntrye. They will need some leadership in the second half and those guys should help. I also don't think any of those guys will bring back much value and it may be better to hold onto Cormier, Bower and Gagnon as 20s for next year anyway and not waste more assets bringing new guys in to replace them. The teams that I can see adding right now seem to be Rouyn Noranda, BLB, Shawinigan, Charlottetown, and Saint John. I'm not sure if any of those teams are willing to take both the Klimas as that is a relatively high price but I hope they will. BLB is really interesting as a trade partner with players like Teasdale, Lafereiere, Poulin and Crete-Belzile. I think they drafted a dman who said he is going NCAA too. Rouyn has some interesting prospects to with some size like Despres and Bibeau and then a guy like Mackinnon. Shawinigan has pretty much nothing but it seems Shannon always trades with them. I don't see Moncton really trading with Saint John unless they overpay and Charlottetown has Boudrias and Alain pretty much but they probably will add a goalie too which will decrease their assets. I could see a team like Bathurst maybe adding a player or two over the trade period to try and make the second round of the playoffs. |
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 17, 2016 12:36:31 GMT -4
Reading on the Halifax board I see Hischier and Fortier are among the top scorers in the Q...makes me sad as a WC fan to see all this elite talent go through Halifax the last few years...Drouin MacKinnon Ehlers Meier Groulx McIsaac Hischier Fortier...and the Cats have had Garland and Barbashev...pts things in perspective... I agree, although let's not forgot that some of those players came as a result of three years of dreadful hockey and some fortuitous circumstances. That said it was still smart management to be able to put themselves in that position. Being able to get Groulx, McIsaac and Hischier was all a result of smart decisions last year and selling pretty much everything they had. Exactly what the Cats need to do this season. If there's a fact that should really make you sad it's that Saint John has made TEN selections in the first round over the past five drafts. How many have the Cats made? Zero. |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 17, 2016 12:49:01 GMT -4
Reading on the Halifax board I see Hischier and Fortier are among the top scorers in the Q...makes me sad as a WC fan to see all this elite talent go through Halifax the last few years...Drouin MacKinnon Ehlers Meier Groulx McIsaac Hischier Fortier...and the Cats have had Garland and Barbashev...pts things in perspective... I agree, although let's not forgot that some of those players came as a result of three years of dreadful hockey and some fortuitous circumstances. That said it was still smart management to be able to put themselves in that position. Being able to get Groulx, McIsaac and Hischier was all a result of smart decisions last year and selling pretty much everything they had. Exactly what the Cats need to do this season. If there's a fact that should really make you sad it's that Saint John has made TEN selections in the first round over the past five drafts. How many have the Cats made? Zero. That would be an excellent questions to ask Neil Hodge, why have the cats kept trading away there 1st round picks? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 13:21:08 GMT -4
I'm not a big Askew fan either, but he has size, can score and is only 19, those things should all drive his value. I think Askew Holwell and the Klimas are the Cats best shot at getting big value at midseason. Not sure a team pays big for Malatesta or Bower. Kelly Klima is really helping his value, not sure if his brother is hurt, but he seems to be under performing. With 10 players 19 or 20, the Cats are not that young a team despite the on ice struggles, need to move at least 4 maybe 5 of those veterans. If they move at least the Klimas, Askew and Holwell and get a good return for them then I think that will be good. I don't mind if they keep Wiederer, Bower, Cormier, Gagnon, Malatesta, and MacIntrye. They will need some leadership in the second half and those guys should help. I also don't think any of those guys will bring back much value and it may be better to hold onto Cormier, Bower and Gagnon as 20s for next year anyway and not waste more assets bringing new guys in to replace them. The teams that I can see adding right now seem to be Rouyn Noranda, BLB, Shawinigan, Charlottetown, and Saint John. I'm not sure if any of those teams are willing to take both the Klimas as that is a relatively high price but I hope they will. BLB is really interesting as a trade partner with players like Teasdale, Lafereiere, Poulin and Crete-Belzile. I think they drafted a dman who said he is going NCAA too. Rouyn has some interesting prospects to with some size like Despres and Bibeau and then a guy like Mackinnon. Shawinigan has pretty much nothing but it seems Shannon always trades with them. I don't see Moncton really trading with Saint John unless they overpay and Charlottetown has Boudrias and Alain pretty much but they probably will add a goalie too which will decrease their assets. I could see a team like Bathurst maybe adding a player or two over the trade period to try and make the second round of the playoffs. If Charlottetows wants a goalie, the cats can trade them Kevin Bouch...ahh nevermind. I wonder what the WC could get for both Klimas...for a team looking for depth up front, you get 2 in one deal, though the price is obviously higher. I would not be surprise if they play the "didn't get offered enough for them" card and keep them to try and sell tickets next yaer... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 13:26:10 GMT -4
Reading on the Halifax board I see Hischier and Fortier are among the top scorers in the Q...makes me sad as a WC fan to see all this elite talent go through Halifax the last few years...Drouin MacKinnon Ehlers Meier Groulx McIsaac Hischier Fortier...and the Cats have had Garland and Barbashev...pts things in perspective... I agree, although let's not forgot that some of those players came as a result of three years of dreadful hockey and some fortuitous circumstances. That said it was still smart management to be able to put themselves in that position. Being able to get Groulx, McIsaac and Hischier was all a result of smart decisions last year and selling pretty much everything they had. Exactly what the Cats need to do this season. If there's a fact that should really make you sad it's that Saint John has made TEN selections in the first round over the past five drafts. How many have the Cats made? Zero. Crap, I was sad but now I'm suicidal! last 10 SJ 1st rounders... 2016 Olivier Mathieu 2015 Joe Veleno Alex D'orio Cedric Pare 2014 Luke Green Julien Tessier 2013 Nathan Noel Will Thompson 2012 Olivier LeBlanc Matthew Highmore except for Tessier, who had medical issues, that's a great haul...quantity and quality. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 13:27:09 GMT -4
I agree, although let's not forgot that some of those players came as a result of three years of dreadful hockey and some fortuitous circumstances. That said it was still smart management to be able to put themselves in that position. Being able to get Groulx, McIsaac and Hischier was all a result of smart decisions last year and selling pretty much everything they had. Exactly what the Cats need to do this season. If there's a fact that should really make you sad it's that Saint John has made TEN selections in the first round over the past five drafts. How many have the Cats made? Zero. That would be an excellent questions to ask Neil Hodge, why have the cats kept trading away there 1st round picks? I doubt he would post that one...or at least it would make it sound like they used them to get great talent back...which often they clearly did not. |
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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 17, 2016 15:14:34 GMT -4
If they move at least the Klimas, Askew and Holwell and get a good return for them then I think that will be good. I don't mind if they keep Wiederer, Bower, Cormier, Gagnon, Malatesta, and MacIntrye. They will need some leadership in the second half and those guys should help. I also don't think any of those guys will bring back much value and it may be better to hold onto Cormier, Bower and Gagnon as 20s for next year anyway and not waste more assets bringing new guys in to replace them. The teams that I can see adding right now seem to be Rouyn Noranda, BLB, Shawinigan, Charlottetown, and Saint John. I'm not sure if any of those teams are willing to take both the Klimas as that is a relatively high price but I hope they will. BLB is really interesting as a trade partner with players like Teasdale, Lafereiere, Poulin and Crete-Belzile. I think they drafted a dman who said he is going NCAA too. Rouyn has some interesting prospects to with some size like Despres and Bibeau and then a guy like Mackinnon. Shawinigan has pretty much nothing but it seems Shannon always trades with them. I don't see Moncton really trading with Saint John unless they overpay and Charlottetown has Boudrias and Alain pretty much but they probably will add a goalie too which will decrease their assets. I could see a team like Bathurst maybe adding a player or two over the trade period to try and make the second round of the playoffs. If Charlottetows wants a goalie, the cats can trade them Kevin Bouch...ahh nevermind. I wonder what the WC could get for both Klimas...for a team looking for depth up front, you get 2 in one deal, though the price is obviously higher. I would not be surprise if they play the "didn't get offered enough for them" card and keep them to try and sell tickets next yaer... This is one delusional franchise if they think that the Klimas sell tickets. The only thing that sells tickets in this market is coupons for discounted prices. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 16:16:34 GMT -4
If Charlottetows wants a goalie, the cats can trade them Kevin Bouch...ahh nevermind. I wonder what the WC could get for both Klimas...for a team looking for depth up front, you get 2 in one deal, though the price is obviously higher. I would not be surprise if they play the "didn't get offered enough for them" card and keep them to try and sell tickets next yaer... This is one delusional franchise if they think that the Klimas sell tickets. The only thing that sells tickets in this market is coupons for discounted prices. ...or a contender. That being said, the Cats attendance has not suffered greatly during rebuilding years. It tends to only move about 10-15%. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 17, 2016 16:33:24 GMT -4
Yeah, I think you're close there. I would have kept Donaghey and tried to get a 1st at midseason instead of a 4th. After the end of last season, a lot of fans felt like MacEwen was a player on the rise, and would have wanted us to keep him as an OA rather than deal him ... agree he was not worth much more on the trade market at the time than what he got us, but time has shown he would have been worth far more in our lineup. IMO, they were too quick to settle on Bouchard and Malatesta as locks for the lineup ... neither has brought that much to the table. McEwan didn't even have regular role last year ... he was more of a fill in wherever needed. |
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Post by jimmy on Nov 17, 2016 16:55:20 GMT -4
After the end of last season, a lot of fans felt like MacEwen was a player on the rise, and would have wanted us to keep him as an OA rather than deal him ... agree he was not worth much more on the trade market at the time than what he got us, but time has shown he would have been worth far more in our lineup. IMO, they were too quick to settle on Bouchard and Malatesta as locks for the lineup ... neither has brought that much to the table. McEwan didn't even have regular role last year ... he was more of a fill in wherever needed. Yet managed 40 points in 66 games ... and played well in the playoffs and down the stretch. Clearly he was not an established star, hence the limited trade value in the summer ... but he was a player that many felt was on the rise as a 19 year old and could have had value to us as an OA ... |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 17, 2016 19:15:00 GMT -4
McEwan didn't even have regular role last year ... he was more of a fill in wherever needed. Yet managed 40 points in 66 games ... and played well in the playoffs and down the stretch. Clearly he was not an established star, hence the limited trade value in the summer ... but he was a player that many felt was on the rise as a 19 year old and could have had value to us as an OA ... OR value in a trade... but nobody figured in the Shannon discount. |
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