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Post by Switchback on Nov 16, 2016 12:13:06 GMT -4
I would do Boudrias and a pick for sure i really hope Hukton makes a big run this year and we need a top 6 forward to olay with Sprong Chlapik and co
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 16, 2016 15:56:52 GMT -4
What woukd Askew cost the Islanders at.xmas? If I'm GM...a 1st plus Boudrias. If Shannon is making the trade...4th and 6th in 2016 plus 5th and 7th in 2017 plus a 6th in 2021. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 16, 2016 15:59:55 GMT -4
I'm not holding my breath. I think they will move bower, cormier, maybe weiderer. holwell and askew aren't going anywhere as of now. owner won't allow it. If that's the case, then they are not serious about building a winner. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 16, 2016 16:02:33 GMT -4
What woukd Askew cost the Islanders at.xmas? I hope a guy like PO Joseph as a future at the draft. But probably Boudrias and a pick. I think he's pretty near untouchable, possible NHL 1st rounder or early 2nd. Boudrias and Allain are more likely guys that they would move in that type of deal. To move Joseph, my guess is they would need a guy like Garland at 19. |
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Post by dar on Nov 16, 2016 17:41:58 GMT -4
Garland only at 2 points and -5 in 10 games.
It would be great if we could trade his rights.
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Post by krisran on Nov 16, 2016 18:50:50 GMT -4
In my honest opinion I don't think Shannon is the right guy going forward. Just look at his track record. Most GM's would have been fired by now. I am scared that if we do end up getting a top 5 pick he will trade it away for nothing. He needs to go. If our 19 or 20 yo have value then they need to be traded if they get back what we need.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 16, 2016 18:52:59 GMT -4
Garland only at 2 points and -5 in 10 games. It would be great if we could trade his rights. I'm sure they can but it would only be a conditionnal trade. my guess is Phoenix would send him ECHL before the Q. |
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Post by ronmac on Nov 16, 2016 20:35:12 GMT -4
In my honest opinion I don't think Shannon is the right guy going forward. Just look at his track record. Most GM's would have been fired by now. I am scared that if we do end up getting a top 5 pick he will trade it away for nothing. He needs to go. If our 19 or 20 yo have value then they need to be traded if they get back what we need. I really think we are at least three years away from anything, even if you do keep our 1st round pick, he will only be one player, at age 16, most of these guy's don't become dominate players until they are at least 18, or 19, we should have been keeping our 1st round drafts from two years ago, trading off some of our better assets trying to get more 1st round players, and what do we have left, Cam is playing all right, but I think you would have a hard time getting, a 1st round plus a rookie, Manny is playing well but then again he takes two rooster spots as a euro plus a 20 year old, if you can find a trading partner, you should be able to get a 1st round pick, Donaghey should have at least got us a 1st round pick, and the same with McEwan, and what did we get, I believe a 4th round for each of these guys, we have certainly set the standard low for any picks from the Wildcats, can't for the life of me understand how Mr. Shannon has made so many stupid picks and trades and still has a job, bring back Darrel Young look what he was able to do in St John with better player management, great trades, good drafting makes all the difference in the world. Enough said, we keep beating the same old dead horse, unless something changes we will be a long time with nothing, unless we sell the farm and the future. |
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 16, 2016 20:39:24 GMT -4
In my honest opinion I don't think Shannon is the right guy going forward. Just look at his track record. Most GM's would have been fired by now. I am scared that if we do end up getting a top 5 pick he will trade it away for nothing. He needs to go. If our 19 or 20 yo have value then they need to be traded if they get back what we need. I really think we are at least three years away from anything, even if you do keep our 1st round pick, he will only be one player, at age 16, most of these guy's don't become dominate players until they are at least 18, or 19, we should have been keeping our 1st round drafts from two years ago, trading off some of our better assets trying to get more 1st round players, and what do we have left, Cam is playing all right, but I think you would have a hard time getting, a 1st round plus a rookie, Manny is playing well but then again he takes two rooster spots as a euro plus a 20 year old, if you can find a trading partner, you should be able to get a 1st round pick, Donaghey should have at least got us a 1st round pick, and the same with McEwan, and what did we get, I believe a 4th round for each of these guys, we have certainly set the standard low for any picks from the Wildcats, can't for the life of me understand how Mr. Shannon has made so many stupid picks and trades and still has a job, bring back Darrel Young look what he was able to do in St John with better player management, great trades, good drafting makes all the difference in the world. Enough said, we keep beating the same old dead horse, unless something changes we will be a long time with nothing, unless we sell the farm and the future. Donaghey should have got Cats a 2nd... No way MacEwen was worth a 1st in the summer, best case scenario would be a 3rd/4th and he got a 5th. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 7:58:27 GMT -4
In my honest opinion I don't think Shannon is the right guy going forward. Just look at his track record. Most GM's would have been fired by now. I am scared that if we do end up getting a top 5 pick he will trade it away for nothing. He needs to go. If our 19 or 20 yo have value then they need to be traded if they get back what we need. I really think we are at least three years away from anything, even if you do keep our 1st round pick, he will only be one player, at age 16, most of these guy's don't become dominate players until they are at least 18, or 19, we should have been keeping our 1st round drafts from two years ago, trading off some of our better assets trying to get more 1st round players, and what do we have left, Cam is playing all right, but I think you would have a hard time getting, a 1st round plus a rookie, Manny is playing well but then again he takes two rooster spots as a euro plus a 20 year old, if you can find a trading partner, you should be able to get a 1st round pick, Donaghey should have at least got us a 1st round pick, and the same with McEwan, and what did we get, I believe a 4th round for each of these guys, we have certainly set the standard low for any picks from the Wildcats, can't for the life of me understand how Mr. Shannon has made so many stupid picks and trades and still has a job, bring back Darrel Young look what he was able to do in St John with better player management, great trades, good drafting makes all the difference in the world. Enough said, we keep beating the same old dead horse, unless something changes we will be a long time with nothing, unless we sell the farm and the future. I think they can be good in 2018-19 and really good in 2019-20, BUT...and it's a big BUT, they'll have to really do a hard rebuild, move all top veterans at midseason and get good value back plus hit some home runs in June(Q draft plus Euro draft, maybe a good FA or two). The way things have happened the last 2-3 years, the only thing that can safely be assumed is that they can get a good Euro and add a couple of solid FA's. The draft and trades have been very questionable. Yes, they overachieved the last 2 years, but were they really a contender? I don't think they could beat either of the finalist either year, so they have gone basically since 2010 without having a true contender for the league title. They had done it in 2010 2006 2000 and also 2003 I believe, so it's not impossible, they just make it seem hard by constantly trading away their picks. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 7:59:23 GMT -4
I really think we are at least three years away from anything, even if you do keep our 1st round pick, he will only be one player, at age 16, most of these guy's don't become dominate players until they are at least 18, or 19, we should have been keeping our 1st round drafts from two years ago, trading off some of our better assets trying to get more 1st round players, and what do we have left, Cam is playing all right, but I think you would have a hard time getting, a 1st round plus a rookie, Manny is playing well but then again he takes two rooster spots as a euro plus a 20 year old, if you can find a trading partner, you should be able to get a 1st round pick, Donaghey should have at least got us a 1st round pick, and the same with McEwan, and what did we get, I believe a 4th round for each of these guys, we have certainly set the standard low for any picks from the Wildcats, can't for the life of me understand how Mr. Shannon has made so many stupid picks and trades and still has a job, bring back Darrel Young look what he was able to do in St John with better player management, great trades, good drafting makes all the difference in the world. Enough said, we keep beating the same old dead horse, unless something changes we will be a long time with nothing, unless we sell the farm and the future. Donaghey should have got Cats a 2nd... No way MacEwen was worth a 1st in the summer, best case scenario would be a 3rd/4th and he got a 5th. Yeah, I think you're close there. I would have kept Donaghey and tried to get a 1st at midseason instead of a 4th. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 8:02:02 GMT -4
I think for those that want a true rebuild, Hodge's articles are hinting that this is what's coming, basically doing the Cats PR so nobody is shocked that veteran X is traded or veteran Y. Remains to be seen how deep they go, I think you have to move 4-5 of the guys that get you the most value out of the 96 and 97's. Keep 3-4 veterans around and go with that.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 17, 2016 8:55:18 GMT -4
Donaghey should have got Cats a 2nd... No way MacEwen was worth a 1st in the summer, best case scenario would be a 3rd/4th and he got a 5th. Yeah, I think you're close there. I would have kept Donaghey and tried to get a 1st at midseason instead of a 4th. After the end of last season, a lot of fans felt like MacEwen was a player on the rise, and would have wanted us to keep him as an OA rather than deal him ... agree he was not worth much more on the trade market at the time than what he got us, but time has shown he would have been worth far more in our lineup. IMO, they were too quick to settle on Bouchard and Malatesta as locks for the lineup ... neither has brought that much to the table. |
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Post by bois on Nov 17, 2016 9:05:08 GMT -4
You should have kept MacEwen and found a goalie elsewhere
Donaghey was not worth a 2nd because most people didnt think he would be back in the Q
I wouldnt trade Boudrias and a first for anyone on the Wildcats roster let alone Cam Askew.....
and I agree PO Joseph is untouchable unless it's for an astronomical return
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 17, 2016 9:21:37 GMT -4
You should have kept MacEwen and found a goalie elsewhere Donaghey was not worth a 2nd because most people didnt think he would be back in the Q I wouldnt trade Boudrias and a first for anyone on the Wildcats roster let alone Cam Askew..... and I agree PO Joseph is untouchable unless it's for an astronomical return For Donaghey, if that's the case, then hold on to him until he is back. Bottom line, if you want to add a 19 year old on pace for 35-40 goals, that's about the going rate. At least that's where the asking price starts. maybe it drops a bit, but not a lot. |
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