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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 13:04:30 GMT -4
Dobson is a good young defenseman ... worth far more in a trade than Malatesta and Holwell ... but he is not worth close to the #1 overall pick in a loaded draft ... IMO. Actually he is worth a top first round pick, except the Titan did not think he was that good when they drafted him. They knew exactly what they were drafting when they picked Dobson. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 19, 2017 13:15:19 GMT -4
Dobson could definitely be traded if the Cats won the lottery and dangled the 1st overall pick...but that would be typical...and really dumb1 What typical? You live 5 years in the past concerning the Titan. This was the first rebuilding period Sly had free hands to rebuild and look at the result. The Titan will be contenders next season and they just finished a very solid season. They will not give away a building block like Dobson for an unknown chip even if he is labelled future star. Dobson is a future 1st-2nd round NHL draftee who will play another 3 years in Bathurst. Typical of the Wildcats the last few years...were you not paying attention all those times they traded back and got a 3rd and a couple 5ths for what ended up being a potential impact player(like Anderson MacDonald in 2016)? As good as Dobson is(or could be), it would be really dumb for the WC to trade the 1st overall pick(if they were to win the lottery) for him. Lafreniere is rated as the best 15 year old to come in the league since Crosby. Yeah he could flop, but so could Dobson... |
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Post by Citris on Mar 19, 2017 14:28:56 GMT -4
It would be a stupid trade for both teams wtf... it makes absolutely no sense. The Titan trading a top pairing D for a rookie in a year where they're contending?
The Wildcats trading a 1st overall pick in a year where they're rebuilding... why?
Worst case scenario Wildcats slip to 3rd and they can just pick Jaxon Bellamy from Saint John who has as much upside as Dobson a few years down the road.
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Post by chsb on Mar 19, 2017 15:02:17 GMT -4
What typical? You live 5 years in the past concerning the Titan. This was the first rebuilding period Sly had free hands to rebuild and look at the result. The Titan will be contenders next season and they just finished a very solid season. They will not give away a building block like Dobson for an unknown chip even if he is labelled future star. Dobson is a future 1st-2nd round NHL draftee who will play another 3 years in Bathurst. Typical of the Wildcats the last few years...were you not paying attention all those times they traded back and got a 3rd and a couple 5ths for what ended up being a potential impact player(like Anderson MacDonald in 2016)? As good as Dobson is(or could be), it would be really dumb for the WC to trade the 1st overall pick(if they were to win the lottery) for him. Lafreniere is rated as the best 15 year old to come in the league since Crosby. Yeah he could flop, but so could Dobson... And....it would be stupid for the Titan to trade a known future star impact D for a 1st even if the upside is so great. We have not seen the 2/3 of what Dobson can bring to the Q. |
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Post by islandred on Mar 19, 2017 15:50:47 GMT -4
Not taking anything away from Dobson, but Lafreniere's upside is insane. Best Q prospect since Crosby, and I don't think any player in the league could get that first overall pick.
Dobson is already a top four d-man at 16 and while he hasn't shown much in his games in Charlottetown, he's going to be a stud at 18/19.
The trade would make zero sense for either team as already stated with Bathurst looking to be the favourite from our division as of now for next year, and Moncton/Sherbrooke/whoever gets the pick, could surely use Lafreniere and build a dynasty around him.
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Mar 19, 2017 16:44:42 GMT -4
Typical of the Wildcats the last few years...were you not paying attention all those times they traded back and got a 3rd and a couple 5ths for what ended up being a potential impact player(like Anderson MacDonald in 2016)? As good as Dobson is(or could be), it would be really dumb for the WC to trade the 1st overall pick(if they were to win the lottery) for him. Lafreniere is rated as the best 15 year old to come in the league since Crosby. Yeah he could flop, but so could Dobson... And....it would be stupid for the Titan to trade a known future star impact D for a 1st even if the upside is so great. We have not seen the 2/3 of what Dobson can bring to the Q. Titan would be stupid not to give it some thought though , Lafreniere has been compared to Vincent Lecavalier. I'm not taking anything away from Dobson , the kid is a stud. Value wise it should at least be tempting from Bathurst's point of view but , like mentioned above, it just dosn't make sense for either team involved and it won't happen. |
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Post by wild1 on Mar 22, 2017 11:59:49 GMT -4
If Moncton does get the First Overall Pick and they were to trade it even for Dobson, I am done with this team for good and Shannon should be driven to airport to leave town immediately and Irving should just sell the team. Lafreniere is exactly the type of future super star the Wildcats need and have not had in a long time , maybe never had.
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Post by downthemiddle on Mar 22, 2017 12:09:54 GMT -4
Moncton isn't trading the first pick for Dobson. Knock off this nonsense.
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Post by bois on Mar 23, 2017 8:35:31 GMT -4
If Moncton does get the First Overall Pick and they were to trade it even for Dobson, I am done with this team for good and Shannon should be driven to airport to leave town immediately and Irving should just sell the team. Lafreniere is exactly the type of future super star the Wildcats need and have not had in a long time , maybe never had. Cry me a river didn't you just have the top chl player for two years a year ago? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 23, 2017 8:46:51 GMT -4
If Moncton does get the First Overall Pick and they were to trade it even for Dobson, I am done with this team for good and Shannon should be driven to airport to leave town immediately and Irving should just sell the team. Lafreniere is exactly the type of future super star the Wildcats need and have not had in a long time , maybe never had. Cry me a river didn't you just have the top chl player for two years a year ago? lol good point. Game. Set. Match. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 23, 2017 9:01:46 GMT -4
If Moncton does get the First Overall Pick and they were to trade it even for Dobson, I am done with this team for good and Shannon should be driven to airport to leave town immediately and Irving should just sell the team. Lafreniere is exactly the type of future super star the Wildcats need and have not had in a long time , maybe never had. Cry me a river didn't you just have the top chl player for two years a year ago? Top "scoring" CHL player for two years in a row ... tied with Strome 2 seasons ago. But the CHL Player of the Year honours went to McDavid and Marner in the last two years. They are currently excelling in the NHL while Garland struggles in the AHL (2g, 6a, in 45 games). I don't recall any Islander fans ever saying Garland was the best player in the CHL ... nor any CB fan ... nor any Moose fan ... nor any Titan fan ... nor any SJ fan ... all he got was shit on by other teams fans. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 23, 2017 9:18:52 GMT -4
Cry me a river didn't you just have the top chl player for two years a year ago? Top "scoring" CHL player for two years in a row ... tied with Strome 2 seasons ago. But the CHL Player of the Year honours went to McDavid and Marner in the last two years. They are currently excelling in the NHL while Garland struggles in the AHL (2g, 6a, in 45 games). I don't recall any Islander fans ever saying Garland was the best player in the CHL ... nor any CB fan ... nor any Moose fan ... nor any Titan fan ... nor any SJ fan ... all he got was shit on by other teams fans. Point still remains, have to agree with bois there. Cats fans can't complain that they haven't had a superstar recently. That doesn't mean Lafreniere would be a perfect fit for what the franchise needs right now. |
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Post by jordo999 on Mar 23, 2017 13:09:08 GMT -4
So you guys are either getting Deschenes or Desjardins, my guess right now is Deschenes for the 2019 second rounder, it makes the most sense because that extra second you guys got from us has been talked about a lot and Deschenes is a NB native. Only other thing I can see is Desjardins for the 2017 3rd but I doubt it he will probably be flipped somewhere else. Dobson is not going to Moncton, Dobsons stock has increased big time and will be Holwells D partner next year in the top 2 more than likely. He's a future 1st-2nd rounder in the NHL draft and will be here till 19 then most likely traded when the team is bad. Same situation for Morand he will be here again next year but might be traded at 19 as he will be a huge impact player and could net a lot back in a possible rebuilding year for us, if Moncton contends he may very well go to the Wildcats towards the 2019 first among other things, but time will tell on that trade.
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 23, 2017 13:29:28 GMT -4
Erin King and Scott Munroe not returning next year ... just announced in WC facebook. bit.ly/2nMUbdx |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 23, 2017 17:11:40 GMT -4
I'm going to give my thoughts on who will or won't be back in 17-18 and the odds, based on the final roster this year...
I'm making these basic assumptions.
-Roster size or 23 or 24(2-7/8-13/14
-Cats add 1st round Euro
-Cats add 4-7 players min from 2017 draft
-Cats add 3-4 Q players via trade
-Cats add 2-4 players from prior drafts/FA on protected lists
-Cats add 2-3 free agents
Best case 9-10 guys from the current roster are back out of 22.
Obviously, F-Renaud(20) and D-MacIntyre(20) are gone.
19 year olds:
D-Baillageron(15%)...don't see him back at 20. #5-6 d-man
18 year olds:
F-Tessier(100%)...solid addition, lock for next year
F-Wojcik(90%)...another solid addition, close to a lock
F-Taillon(45%)...on the fence, has size and some skill but skating is a major issue, needs a monster camp
D-Thibeault(75%)...was not bad, should be on the roster, but could be replaced by a younger player
F-Johnston(25%)...dime a dozen player, likely to be replaced by a younger player
D-Fortin(95%)...Has some ability, likely a lock based on the price paid
F-Murphy(90%)...huge disappointment, could be back or traded, decent skills are there but no intensity
F-Meisenheimer(30%)-played better late, against the odds
17 year olds:
G-Waite(100%)...had a strong finish after an up and down year, should be a safe bet
G-Tmej(95%)-could be trade bait if MacDonald is ready, camp battle shaping up
D-Lecoultre(95%)...a bit unwhelming, but with all the guys leaving, pretty much a lock
D-Senken(85%)...struggled early, played better late, probably gets another half or full year
D/F-Aspirot(95%)...likely has a better chance on D, depth player
F-Simic(20%)...did not do anything special, upgraded in June
F-Campannelli(90%)-not a big fan, likely gets another year due to price paid
F-Dicaire(65%)...played better down the stretch, likely back but needs a good camp
F-Cyr(100%)...the biggest building block currently on the roster, lock
D-Massie(10%)-draft bust, cut
F-McKenna(95%)-solid building block, up and down year but shows promise on PP...needs more speed/strength
Cyr Waite McKenna Fortin LeCoultre Tessier Wojcik Thibeault Murphy(Wc or trade) Campannelli Senken are the only ones I'd bet on being back.
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