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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 23, 2018 12:55:22 GMT -4
5)a segment on the decline of fighting, and fighters in the Q Isn't it obvious by watching pro hockey why this is the case? The old school method of defending your team with a goon is a style the sport has evolved out of. Want to punch someone in the face? Go take up boxing or MMA. Want to play a sport on ice where your goal is to out score the opposition? Play hockey. We have many examples in the Q and NHL where a hit, many clean, on a good player led to absolute chaos along with embarrassment and even lawsuits because of the stupid things people did in retribution. I'd like to see a segment on the decline of embarrassing and unnecessary incidents thanks to the decline in the goons being on rosters. |
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Post by pong on Oct 23, 2018 12:59:55 GMT -4
5)a segment on the decline of fighting, and fighters in the Q Out of curiosity I looked at the trends. fights per game: (% of games with fights) 18-19 - 0.29 (24.79) 14-15 - 0.67 (45.59) 09-10 - 0.65 (41.34) 04-05 - 1.23 (60.71) 99-00 - 1.47 (62.07) 95-96 - 1.77 (69.59) The Q this year has a drop of fights from 0.39 to 0.29 per game, while the WHL and OHL are near enough identical. (0.44 to 0.43 and 0.22 to 0.22 respectively) Wow. That’s a significant drop, and a big difference from the OHL too |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Oct 23, 2018 13:01:22 GMT -4
1)break down each contending team by # of players in each age group to see who is in the final year of contention versus possible 2 year contenders 2)build an air tight case on why the Cats should NOT go for it this year, and see what they would need to do, or add, to be realistic contenders for the next 2 years 3)revisit some old trades with hindsight and highlight the 2 or 3 best trades, and 2 or 3 worst trades in franchise history 4)A what are they doing now segment, or even a more detailed profile of a past player each week, breaking down that players life since they left the Cats organization. Real life stories would be interesting to get updated on 5)a segment on the decline of fighting, and fighters in the Q Excellent suggestions! We have Dylan Seitz and Jeremy McKenna on tomorrow's show so might not have time to touch on these this week. But I can promise we will touch on these in the coming weeks. |
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Post by pong on Oct 23, 2018 13:04:39 GMT -4
5)a segment on the decline of fighting, and fighters in the Q I'd like to see a segment on the decline of embarrassing and unnecessary incidents thanks to the decline in the goons being on rosters. Sure, the research might be a little more difficult to find though. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 23, 2018 13:17:36 GMT -4
I'd like to see a segment on the decline of embarrassing and unnecessary incidents thanks to the decline in the goons being on rosters. Sure, the research might be a little more difficult to find though. I was sarcastic but seriously looking into the stats where there were multiple fights per game would be interesting. The difference between the amount of say games with 3+ fights from then to now would be significant. Unfortunately for lower levels of sports the embarrassing incidents end up with international coverage. But great plays don't get that level of coverage. I think many of us seen the decline coming the night CNN decided to air stuff from the Halifax-BC brawl back in 2003ish. Which, and this is crazy to think about, was just a standard game with a line brawl or 2 to those of us who follow the league. And that while the NHL was seeing crazy incidents from players like McSorley, Bertuzzi, Domi, etc...all of which would get the players tossed out for considerably longer periods of time now. |
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Post by pong on Oct 23, 2018 13:20:29 GMT -4
1)break down each contending team by # of players in each age group to see who is in the final year of contention versus possible 2 year contenders 2)build an air tight case on why the Cats should NOT go for it this year, and see what they would need to do, or add, to be realistic contenders for the next 2 years 3)revisit some old trades with hindsight and highlight the 2 or 3 best trades, and 2 or 3 worst trades in franchise history 4)A what are they doing now segment, or even a more detailed profile of a past player each week, breaking down that players life since they left the Cats organization. Real life stories would be interesting to get updated on 5)a segment on the decline of fighting, and fighters in the Q Excellent suggestions! We have Dylan Seitz and Jeremy McKenna on tomorrow's show so might not have time to touch on these this week. But I can promise we will touch on these in the coming weeks. Excellent 👍 |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 23, 2018 13:46:01 GMT -4
Sure, the research might be a little more difficult to find though. I was sarcastic but seriously looking into the stats where there were multiple fights per game would be interesting. The difference between the amount of say games with 3+ fights from then to now would be significant. I think many of us seen the decline coming the night CNN decided to air stuff from the Halifax-BC brawl back in 2003ish. Which, and this is crazy to think about, was just a standard game with a line brawl or 2 to those of us who follow the league. Quite frankly I can't be bothered to going into that much detail (it'll take a while) but a quick query..... Games with more than 1 fight: (I'll use last season since it's a better comparison) 17-18 - 41 14-15 - 95 09-10 - 97 04-05 - 167 99-00 - 213 95-96 - 219 (This season is 5 in 117 games) Fights actually went up significantly the season after that incident (That game had 14 fights) but it was the following season the decline started. So while not directly after it didn't take long. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 23, 2018 13:50:58 GMT -4
I was sarcastic but seriously looking into the stats where there were multiple fights per game would be interesting. The difference between the amount of say games with 3+ fights from then to now would be significant. Quite frankly I can't be bothered to going into that much detail (it'll take a while) but a quick query..... Games with more than 1 fight: (I'll use last season since it's a better comparison) 17-18 - 41 14-15 - 95 09-10 - 97 04-05 - 167 99-00 - 213 95-96 - 219 (This season is 5 in 117 games) Pretty significant trend there. 1/4 of the chaos seems about right from 04-05 and 1/5 from the 99-00 season in which every team seemed to have at least 1 shit disturber and 3 bigger guys for him to hide behind. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 23, 2018 13:52:11 GMT -4
I was sarcastic but seriously looking into the stats where there were multiple fights per game would be interesting. The difference between the amount of say games with 3+ fights from then to now would be significant. I think many of us seen the decline coming the night CNN decided to air stuff from the Halifax-BC brawl back in 2003ish. Which, and this is crazy to think about, was just a standard game with a line brawl or 2 to those of us who follow the league. Quite frankly I can't be bothered to going into that much detail (it'll take a while) but a quick query..... Games with more than 1 fight: (I'll use last season since it's a better comparison) 17-18 - 41 14-15 - 95 09-10 - 97 04-05 - 167 99-00 - 213 95-96 - 219 (This season is 5 in 117 games) Fights actually went up significantly the season after that incident (That game had 14 fights) but it was the following season the decline started. So while not directly after it didn't take long. Junior hockey is a completely different game than it was 20 years ago. Crazy. It's happened pretty gradually so it's harder to notice just how dramatic without looking at the numbers. |
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Post by catzfans on Oct 23, 2018 14:16:08 GMT -4
The days of Pascal Morency putting 600 Pims in a season are long gone
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Oct 23, 2018 15:04:04 GMT -4
The days of Pascal Morency putting 600 Pims in a season are long gone Marc Andre Roy with 650 one season in Baie Comeau |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 23, 2018 15:13:03 GMT -4
The days of Pascal Morency putting 600 Pims in a season are long gone Marc Andre Roy with 650 one season in Baie Comeau Turmel also had crazy season in BC. Morency's numbers would be a lot lower in today's Q, a lot of his minutes were 10 minute misconducts, which no longer count in PIMs. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 23, 2018 15:18:54 GMT -4
Marc Andre Roy with 650 one season in Baie Comeau Turmel also had crazy season in BC. Morency's numbers would be a lot lower in today's Q, a lot of his minutes were 10 minute misconducts, which no longer count in PIMs. And he was racking them up just to set the record at the time. As a 3rd liner the coach could afford to let him be a side show act at the end of games to get those PIM totals up. |
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Post by lirette on Oct 23, 2018 15:32:08 GMT -4
Turmel also had crazy season in BC. Morency's numbers would be a lot lower in today's Q, a lot of his minutes were 10 minute misconducts, which no longer count in PIMs. And he was racking them up just to set the record at the time. As a 3rd liner the coach could afford to let him be a side show act at the end of games to get those PIM totals up. Also the league is a lot tighter on suspending players, including things like accumulating codes which are usually 10 min misconducts. Back in those days I feel you could pile them up like candy. He would have been suspended every 4th or 5th game. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 23, 2018 15:53:25 GMT -4
The days of Pascal Morency putting 600 Pims in a season are long gone Marc Andre Roy with 650 one season in Baie Comeau When Marc-Andre Roy got 653 PiMs he had 41 fighting majors. (Roy had 1090 in his career from 70 fights) When Pascal Morency got 596 PiMs he had 24 fighting majors. (Morency had 1124 in his career from 50 fights) There's a hell of a lot of misconducts in there for both of them. |
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