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Post by SteveUL on Nov 5, 2018 8:54:30 GMT -4
I don't have a problem with that hit.
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Post by Citris on Nov 5, 2018 9:57:36 GMT -4
I don’t have a dude...Pelletier is a non puck carrier chasing a loose puck. That hit is the definition of interference...your dude can have all the inside position he likes...Pelletier didn’t have the puck. It is not hard to understand and it is right on video. You don’t have a leg to stand on. He wasn’t the puck carrier...it’s easy to light a guy up who isn’t expecting to get hit because he didn’t have the puck. Ok dude whatever you say. Both players were half an inch from the puck. There was no call on the play. But you're right and I'm wrong because your feelings are hurt I guess is the argument here. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 9:58:24 GMT -4
I don't have a problem with that hit. why would you? You didn’t receive it. But hitting a player who isn’t carrying the puck is still illegal in hockey and a penalty. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Nov 5, 2018 10:43:19 GMT -4
I don't have a problem with that hit. why would you? You didn’t receive it. But hitting a player who isn’t carrying the puck is still illegal in hockey and a penalty. I think by definition, the hit is a penalty. I think by a referee's standards, you would only see this called a handful of times over the course of a season.
I am fine with the hit as being clean. But I'm also fine with Seitz sending the message that if you're going to take a run at the Cats star player, you're going to have to answer for it. (or in this case just get embarrassed for not)
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Post by Citris on Nov 5, 2018 11:18:46 GMT -4
I think by definition, the hit is a penalty. I think by a referee's standards, you would only see this called a handful of times over the course of a season.
I am fine with the hit as being clean. But I'm also fine with Seitz sending the message that if you're going to take a run at the Cats star player, you're going to have to answer for it. (or in this case just get embarrassed for not)
Basically this. Sage is using an argument I know he wouldn't agree with in any other situation. By definition every little slash on the shinpads after the whistle is a slash. Boxing a guy out from the front of the net is interference. Every scrum after a whistle is roughing after the whistle - by definition. This happens dozens of times a game where players will make contact and fight for position before touching the puck, and Sage doesn't have a problem with any of that despite the fact that that fits his definition of interference. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 5, 2018 11:20:31 GMT -4
I think by definition, the hit is a penalty. I think by a referee's standards, you would only see this called a handful of times over the course of a season.
I am fine with the hit as being clean. But I'm also fine with Seitz sending the message that if you're going to take a run at the Cats star player, you're going to have to answer for it. (or in this case just get embarrassed for not)
Basically this. Sage is using an argument I know he wouldn't agree with in any other situation. By definition every little slash on the shinpads after the whistle is a slash. Boxing a guy out from the front of the net is interference. Every scrum after a whistle is roughing after the whistle - by definition. This happens dozens of times a game where players will make contact and fight for position before touching the puck, and Sage doesn't have a problem with any of that despite the fact that that fits his definition of interference. Yep if the game of hockey was literally called by the rules without any context then it would be an unwatchable penalty fest as there would be absolutely zero contact on anyone not carrying the puck without someone being at fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 12:59:22 GMT -4
I think by definition, the hit is a penalty. I think by a referee's standards, you would only see this called a handful of times over the course of a season.
I am fine with the hit as being clean. But I'm also fine with Seitz sending the message that if you're going to take a run at the Cats star player, you're going to have to answer for it. (or in this case just get embarrassed for not)
Basically this. Sage is using an argument I know he wouldn't agree with in any other situation. By definition every little slash on the shinpads after the whistle is a slash. Boxing a guy out from the front of the net is interference. Every scrum after a whistle is roughing after the whistle - by definition. This happens dozens of times a game where players will make contact and fight for position before touching the puck, and Sage doesn't have a problem with any of that despite the fact that that fits his definition of interference. Seriously you need to bone up the rules of hockey...players are permitted to battle for position that includes boxing out and using your strength and balance to gain an advantage. A player pursuing the puck and not having touched it can not be hit or impeded from reaching the puck. Is this the twilight zone? Pelletier wasn’t rubbed out wasn’t slowed down or tapped on his shin pads...he got lit up without the puck. It was greasy and was penalized...you just sound stupid. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 5, 2018 13:05:42 GMT -4
Basically this. Sage is using an argument I know he wouldn't agree with in any other situation. By definition every little slash on the shinpads after the whistle is a slash. Boxing a guy out from the front of the net is interference. Every scrum after a whistle is roughing after the whistle - by definition. This happens dozens of times a game where players will make contact and fight for position before touching the puck, and Sage doesn't have a problem with any of that despite the fact that that fits his definition of interference. Seriously you need to bone up the rules of hockey...players are permitted to battle for position that includes boxing out and using your strength and balance to gain an advantage. A player pursuing the puck and not having touched it can not be hit or impeded from reaching the puck. Is this the twilight zone? Pelletier wasn’t rubbed out wasn’t slowed down or tapped on his shin pads...he got lit up without the puck. It was greasy and was penalized...you just sound stupid.If you're going to call someone stupid do you not think you should try and avoid that yourself? How was he penalised? You just sound stupid. |
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Post by Citris on Nov 5, 2018 13:32:03 GMT -4
Seriously you need to bone up the rules of hockey...players are permitted to battle for position that includes boxing out and using your strength and balance to gain an advantage. A player pursuing the puck and not having touched it can not be hit or impeded from reaching the puck. Is this the twilight zone? Pelletier wasn’t rubbed out wasn’t slowed down or tapped on his shin pads...he got lit up without the puck. It was greasy and was penalized...you just sound stupid. ... Are you sure about that?  |
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Post by bigtimefan on Nov 5, 2018 14:40:58 GMT -4
One thing thats not being talked about here which you would of seen in past years was....Macissac backed down from Seitz (don't blame him), nobody came to step in on Seitz during the play or later on in the game. Where is the toughness when needed? Where are the players standing together and sticking up for one and other. I was embarrassed for MacIsaac as he looked scared and affected him the rest of the game(IMO)
If someone hit Mackinnon, Drouin Frk you would have atleast 5 guys on the roster that would have been all over Seitz- Hardie,Fournier,Weegar,MacAuly or Lewis
i think there is no Fear factor with this team. Their offence is very good but nothing fearful and their toughness is weak...Bishop may be small but atleast he has the balls to play with grit. the team average is 6ft 180(only because of Gravels 220lbs).1 fighting major while most teams they will be competing with are looking at 8-10 minimum so far
just my thoughts
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Post by Citris on Nov 5, 2018 15:11:57 GMT -4
One thing thats not being talked about here which you would of seen in past years was....Macissac backed down from Seitz (don't blame him), nobody came to step in on Seitz during the play or later on in the game. Where is the toughness when needed? Where are the players standing together and sticking up for one and other. I was embarrassed for MacIsaac as he looked scared and affected him the rest of the game(IMO) If someone hit Mackinnon, Drouin Frk you would have atleast 5 guys on the roster that would have been all over Seitz- Hardie,Fournier,Weegar,MacAuly or Lewis i think there is no Fear factor with this team. Their offence is very good but nothing fearful and their toughness is weak...Bishop may be small but atleast he has the balls to play with grit. the team average is 6ft 180(only because of Gravels 220lbs).1 fighting major while most teams they will be competing with are looking at 8-10 minimum so far just my thoughts Dare I say it, the Mooseheads miss Connor Moynihan. Game has changed tho. I don't think the Mooseheads can find a Boko Immama or someboy like that, that player is too rare a breed now. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 5, 2018 15:26:54 GMT -4
One thing thats not being talked about here which you would of seen in past years was....Macissac backed down from Seitz (don't blame him), nobody came to step in on Seitz during the play or later on in the game. Where is the toughness when needed? Where are the players standing together and sticking up for one and other. I was embarrassed for MacIsaac as he looked scared and affected him the rest of the game(IMO) If someone hit Mackinnon, Drouin Frk you would have atleast 5 guys on the roster that would have been all over Seitz- Hardie,Fournier,Weegar,MacAuly or Lewis i think there is no Fear factor with this team. Their offence is very good but nothing fearful and their toughness is weak...Bishop may be small but atleast he has the balls to play with grit. the team average is 6ft 180(only because of Gravels 220lbs).1 fighting major while most teams they will be competing with are looking at 8-10 minimum so far just my thoughts Dare I say it, the Mooseheads miss Connor Moynihan. Game has changed tho. I don't think the Mooseheads can find a Boko Immama or someboy like that, that player is too rare a breed now. It's all about team toughness now. The power forwards tend to not put enough together to be dominant at this level and the goons aren't quick enough to keep up with the pace of midget or Jr A so forget this level. Fact is that intimidation to deter players from playing a certain way doesn't exist like it used to. Yet somehow we see less questionable incidents as well. Funny how that works...removing the deterrent actually causes less actions to happen that require that deterrent in the first place. 15 years ago that hit by McIsaac causes him to have to fight a goon in response. Or the goon does a goon thing to someone else and gets a major before fighting one of the other teams goons. End result of 1 even somewhat questionable hit is someone else being goon'd and the end result lasts 2-3 games and 4-5 weeks. There's something to be said for it simply being over with now. Nobody had to fight. Nobody else had to get hurt. The teams ultimately decided the game on the ice. And the next game is about the next game and not some garbage UFC style hype among guys who had nothing to do with the initial incident yet are somehow charged with answering for it all. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 5, 2018 15:31:23 GMT -4
One thing thats not being talked about here which you would of seen in past years was....Macissac backed down from Seitz (don't blame him), nobody came to step in on Seitz during the play or later on in the game. Where is the toughness when needed? Where are the players standing together and sticking up for one and other. I was embarrassed for MacIsaac as he looked scared and affected him the rest of the game(IMO) If someone hit Mackinnon, Drouin Frk you would have atleast 5 guys on the roster that would have been all over Seitz- Hardie,Fournier,Weegar,MacAuly or Lewis i think there is no Fear factor with this team. Their offence is very good but nothing fearful and their toughness is weak...Bishop may be small but atleast he has the balls to play with grit. the team average is 6ft 180(only because of Gravels 220lbs).1 fighting major while most teams they will be competing with are looking at 8-10 minimum so far just my thoughts Dare I say it, the Mooseheads miss Connor Moynihan. Game has changed tho. I don't think the Mooseheads can find a Boko Immama or someboy like that, that player is too rare a breed now. The entire league is on pace for 208 fights across the course of the season. In the 1996-97 season Sherbrooke Beavers had 179 fights.........on their own. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 5, 2018 15:42:09 GMT -4
Dare I say it, the Mooseheads miss Connor Moynihan. Game has changed tho. I don't think the Mooseheads can find a Boko Immama or someboy like that, that player is too rare a breed now. The entire league is on pace for 208 fights across the course of the season. In the 1996-97 season Sherbrooke Beavers had 179 fights.........on their own. I feel like there were rivalries between 97 and 2005 or so that would have approached 200 fights in a season series between the 2 teams lol |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 5, 2018 16:15:30 GMT -4
I don't have a problem with that hit. why would you? You didn’t receive it. But hitting a player who isn’t carrying the puck is still illegal in hockey and a penalty. I am a Wildcats fan and so I would care somewhat what happened to my own player and whether it was a legal or illegal hit. We see hits like this every game that go unpenalized because it has become accepted ... the puck was about a foot from Pelletier's stick even though he had not yet touched it and he was clearly in pursuit of the puck. He has played hockey long enough to know that he is open to be hit at that moment so it shouldn't be any surprise to him ... he should be prepared for it, and he was. On the other side of this topic, we see a Dman make a pass up ice and then he'll get hit about two seconds after the puck is gone and after the pass has been completed ... all in the name of finishing the check, which players have been encouraged to do for years ... and has never been called. Those type of hits are done to wear down the Dman ... but actually they are hitting to hurt. They want to hit him hard enough such that he still feels it in the 3rd and at practice the next morning. Is that okay with you ? They happen 20 times times per game from both sides ... and are not penalized. We see slashes and cross-checks and punches to the face that don't get called but are obvious and ignored by the officials. Like others have already said ... the game would be terrible to watch if they called everything that violated the letter of the law. So we have come to accept some stuff around the fringes that gets let go. I would also suggest that at game speed the Official can't tell for certain that Pelletier had not yet touched the puck ... but slow it down and we see he didn't quite get to it. The Referee does not have video to review before he decides on a call. I'm okay with this because it wasn't a dirty hit ... no elbow ... no head targeting ... no extended leg or knee. If Pelletier had just touched the puck and the hit happened its still the same hit. Pelletier avoided much of this hit because he was ready for it. It wasn't such a thunderous hit as the Halifax PBP guy stated ... Pelletier sort of jumped over it but still went down. But what Halifax has to worry about is the fact that they target a star player. They have far more to lose if one of their stars goes down as a retaliation to a hit they delivered to an opponents star player. I know you can't let up on anybody, but not answering the bell for the instigated fight afterwards means that its probably not a done deal and may become an issue down the road. A guy like Seitz is not above delivering a dirty hit in retaliation ... he is nuts like that, and he feels it is part of his role on this team. Khovanov also ... I wish he'd stick to hockey and cut out the crap. |
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