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Post by Arnold Slick on Feb 14, 2019 11:53:55 GMT -4
Hodge just posted an article about Leclerc enjoying the heavy workload. Likely through orders of Supreme Leader Irving.
Have to get a fluff article out there so all the casuals will think it's perfectly normal and reasonable when Leclerc plays the next three games. I wonder if Irving will invite Kim Jong-un over to Moncton someday to check out and compare notes on all the propaganda they both promote?
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Feb 14, 2019 12:21:52 GMT -4
Hodge just posted an article about Leclerc enjoying the heavy workload. Likely through orders of Supreme Leader Irving. Have to get a fluff article out there so all the casuals will think it's perfectly normal and reasonable when Leclerc plays the next three games. I wonder if Irving will invite Kim Jong-un over to Moncton someday to check out and compare notes on all the propaganda they both promote? Yeah most goalies would say they like the workload, even if they privately would enjoy a break now and then. It isn't about making LeClerc happy that team management should be looking at. They need to consider both his health/injury/fatigue risk, and developing the backup too. |
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Post by leftwinglock on Feb 14, 2019 12:24:03 GMT -4
Hodge just posted an article about Leclerc enjoying the heavy workload. Likely through orders of Supreme Leader Irving. Have to get a fluff article out there so all the casuals will think it's perfectly normal and reasonable when Leclerc plays the next three games. I wonder if Irving will invite Kim Jong-un over to Moncton someday to check out and compare notes on all the propaganda they both promote? the more troubling part of the article is were Leclerc says that Lavalee is getting frustrated and Leclerc is doing his best to encourage him... watch and see... there will be a trade request put in at the draft... it will all go as planned though... after all who needs young players and draft picks and build when you can trade all those and be good right? |
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Post by catzfans on Feb 14, 2019 12:26:27 GMT -4
Hodge just posted an article about Leclerc enjoying the heavy workload. Likely through orders of Supreme Leader Irving. Have to get a fluff article out there so all the casuals will think it's perfectly normal and reasonable when Leclerc plays the next three games. I wonder if Irving will invite Kim Jong-un over to Moncton someday to check out and compare notes on all the propaganda they both promote? I’d like him to do a follow up interview with Lavallee and see what he’s thinking. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2019 12:42:13 GMT -4
Hodge just posted an article about Leclerc enjoying the heavy workload. Likely through orders of Supreme Leader Irving. Have to get a fluff article out there so all the casuals will think it's perfectly normal and reasonable when Leclerc plays the next three games. I wonder if Irving will invite Kim Jong-un over to Moncton someday to check out and compare notes on all the propaganda they both promote? I’d like him to do a follow up interview with Lavallee and see what he’s thinking. I doubt they would print anything but fluff. They would play it up like he is a competitor and wants to play but he keeps a good attitude for the good of the team BS. |
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Post by jimmy on Feb 14, 2019 13:36:38 GMT -4
The only thing that is certain about our goaltending is that Leclerc won't be starting the season opener in 2019/20.
Is Lavallee going to be the guy? It would appear doubtful at this point - partly due to botching his development by not playing him in the second half, and partly just by the nature of where we are in our cycle - if 2019/20 is a "go for it" year, then it was always doubtful that we would have a 17 y/o starter in net.
Will Lavallee ask for a trade at the draft? Maybe ... but if I am the Cats, I turn it down unless someone knocks our socks off - let him be a solid backup next year or perhaps a 1A/1B thing depending on who else comes along and re-evaluate at Xmas ...
One thing I find the Cats have been too quick to do in recent years is sell low on highly touted young players who ask for a trade because they aren't happy with their role (Bellamy, Kingsbury, Crossman, etc.) ... in some cases, yes, the team could have played the young guys more - no doubt. But a lot of the time, it is just the kids (and their agents/parents) being impatient and not being willing to pay their dues and earn their ice time. I think in a lot of cases, when a 16 or 17 year old rookie comes to you asking for a trade, the answer should be we will see - if the right offer comes along fine, but if you otherwise think the player is part of the future, make them wait 1/2 season or a year and see if by then they have earned a key role and the problem has went away.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2019 13:55:55 GMT -4
One thing I find the Cats have been too quick to do in recent years is sell low on highly touted young players who ask for a trade because they aren't happy with their role (Bellamy, Kingsbury, Crossman, etc.) ... in some cases, yes, the team could have played the young guys more - no doubt. But a lot of the time, it is just the kids (and their agents/parents) being impatient and not being willing to pay their dues and earn their ice time. I think in a lot of cases, when a 16 or 17 year old rookie comes to you asking for a trade, the answer should be we will see - if the right offer comes along fine, but if you otherwise think the player is part of the future, make them wait 1/2 season or a year and see if by then they have earned a key role and the problem has went away. Agreed 100%. And if the player goes to another level and plays like he thinks he can at this level then your trade value isn't going to decrease by calling his bluff even if it's for half of a season. 16yr olds barely playing and demanding trades because of it is nothing new but also not a reason to up and trade the player for half the value. But then you get the situations where teams say "he asked for a trade" and the player says "they asked if I'd accept a trade" in a world with team controlled media meaning we never get the real story. And it's the uninformed majority eating up the teams message via media because "it's journalism if it comes from Neil Hodge he works for a newspaper". It's amazing how dangerously corrupt our local media is becoming with junior hockey teams. Now apply that to the rest of the world, economy, etc and it's down right terrifying what we're seeing the media evolve into. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2019 15:13:09 GMT -4
The only thing that is certain about our goaltending is that Leclerc won't be starting the season opener in 2019/20. Is Lavallee going to be the guy? It would appear doubtful at this point - partly due to botching his development by not playing him in the second half, and partly just by the nature of where we are in our cycle - if 2019/20 is a "go for it" year, then it was always doubtful that we would have a 17 y/o starter in net. Will Lavallee ask for a trade at the draft? Maybe ... but if I am the Cats, I turn it down unless someone knocks our socks off - let him be a solid backup next year or perhaps a 1A/1B thing depending on who else comes along and re-evaluate at Xmas ... One thing I find the Cats have been too quick to do in recent years is sell low on highly touted young players who ask for a trade because they aren't happy with their role (Bellamy, Kingsbury, Crossman, etc.) ... in some cases, yes, the team could have played the young guys more - no doubt. But a lot of the time, it is just the kids (and their agents/parents) being impatient and not being willing to pay their dues and earn their ice time. I think in a lot of cases, when a 16 or 17 year old rookie comes to you asking for a trade, the answer should be we will see - if the right offer comes along fine, but if you otherwise think the player is part of the future, make them wait 1/2 season or a year and see if by then they have earned a key role and the problem has went away. A lot of the cases you named, they kept a highly touted player(high draft pick) and dd not make much of an effort to invest ice time into them. I think you see the teams that constantly draft and develop well invest time in kids early on, not coach like every game is an elimination game and it pays off later in the season, it gives their lineup more depth and keeps their top guys more fresh. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Feb 14, 2019 15:58:26 GMT -4
The only thing that is certain about our goaltending is that Leclerc won't be starting the season opener in 2019/20. Is Lavallee going to be the guy? It would appear doubtful at this point - partly due to botching his development by not playing him in the second half, and partly just by the nature of where we are in our cycle - if 2019/20 is a "go for it" year, then it was always doubtful that we would have a 17 y/o starter in net. Will Lavallee ask for a trade at the draft? Maybe ... but if I am the Cats, I turn it down unless someone knocks our socks off - let him be a solid backup next year or perhaps a 1A/1B thing depending on who else comes along and re-evaluate at Xmas ... One thing I find the Cats have been too quick to do in recent years is sell low on highly touted young players who ask for a trade because they aren't happy with their role (Bellamy, Kingsbury, Crossman, etc.) ... in some cases, yes, the team could have played the young guys more - no doubt. But a lot of the time, it is just the kids (and their agents/parents) being impatient and not being willing to pay their dues and earn their ice time. I think in a lot of cases, when a 16 or 17 year old rookie comes to you asking for a trade, the answer should be we will see - if the right offer comes along fine, but if you otherwise think the player is part of the future, make them wait 1/2 season or a year and see if by then they have earned a key role and the problem has went away. A lot of the cases you named, they kept a highly touted player(high draft pick) and dd not make much of an effort to invest ice time into them. I think you see the teams that constantly draft and develop well invest time in kids early on, not coach like every game is an elimination game and it pays off later in the season, it gives their lineup more depth and keeps their top guys more fresh. In my opinion, ice time is earned, not given. You want more ice time, improve your game by working hard in practice, the weight room, etc., and make the most of the ice time you receive. Their is an argument to be made guys like NKF should have been sent back to Midget if he wasn't going to play a regular shift. There is a trade off between playing more in midget and getting better coaching/training/season length/etc in Major Junior. Not every young player has the same mindset and not everyone has the confidence to handle the struggle of being a young fringe player on a team with mostly older players. It can be tough to be a 4th liner for the first time in your hockey career playing with guys 3 and 4 years older for the first time.
Another note, I don't buy the idea that these 19 YO kids are getting tired by playing a few more shifts a game. If anything it is helping them build more stamina for late in the year. I think it could have effects on a back to back or a 3 in 4 nights stretch, but no further than that.
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Post by jimmy on Feb 14, 2019 16:34:27 GMT -4
A lot of the cases you named, they kept a highly touted player(high draft pick) and dd not make much of an effort to invest ice time into them. I think you see the teams that constantly draft and develop well invest time in kids early on, not coach like every game is an elimination game and it pays off later in the season, it gives their lineup more depth and keeps their top guys more fresh. In my opinion, ice time is earned, not given. You want more ice time, improve your game by working hard in practice, the weight room, etc., and make the most of the ice time you receive. Their is an argument to be made guys like NKF should have been sent back to Midget if he wasn't going to play a regular shift. There is a trade off between playing more in midget and getting better coaching/training/season length/etc in Major Junior. Not every young player has the same mindset and not everyone has the confidence to handle the struggle of being a young fringe player on a team with mostly older players. It can be tough to be a 4th liner for the first time in your hockey career playing with guys 3 and 4 years older for the first time.
Another note, I don't buy the idea that these 19 YO kids are getting tired by playing a few more shifts a game. If anything it is helping them build more stamina for late in the year. I think it could have effects on a back to back or a 3 in 4 nights stretch, but no further than that.
A guy like NKF will likely end up with 8-10 goals as a 16 y/o ... with normal progression, not talking huge breakout like some guys would have, he is probably a guy who can slot in as a 3rd line guy at 17 and score 15-20 goals ... then the following year, after our big run, he is ready to play a big role as a top 6 forward on a rebuilding team, and/or be dealt to accelerate the rebuild. Instead, we sold low on him ... and then next Xmas, we will likely have to go out and spend a 1st or maybe a pair of 2nds to acquire that 15-20 goal guy to add depth. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2019 19:42:41 GMT -4
A lot of the cases you named, they kept a highly touted player(high draft pick) and dd not make much of an effort to invest ice time into them. I think you see the teams that constantly draft and develop well invest time in kids early on, not coach like every game is an elimination game and it pays off later in the season, it gives their lineup more depth and keeps their top guys more fresh. In my opinion, ice time is earned, not given. You want more ice time, improve your game by working hard in practice, the weight room, etc., and make the most of the ice time you receive. Their is an argument to be made guys like NKF should have been sent back to Midget if he wasn't going to play a regular shift. There is a trade off between playing more in midget and getting better coaching/training/season length/etc in Major Junior. Not every young player has the same mindset and not everyone has the confidence to handle the struggle of being a young fringe player on a team with mostly older players. It can be tough to be a 4th liner for the first time in your hockey career playing with guys 3 and 4 years older for the first time.
Another note, I don't buy the idea that these 19 YO kids are getting tired by playing a few more shifts a game. If anything it is helping them build more stamina for late in the year. I think it could have effects on a back to back or a 3 in 4 nights stretch, but no further than that.
In junior hockey, you can't oversimplify it like that and have success. It sounds good in theory, but there is more value in playing a talented 16 year old than a less skilled 19 year old who can give you a bit more right away. It's a short term view. |
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