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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 4, 2019 13:36:11 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2019 13:43:21 GMT -4
Can I get a quick cliff notes on what happened with Eastlink and C200 I missed this I guess. Thanks! In the CB-Char series ... Eastlink broadcast all the games from Charlottetown, bur CB would not allow them to broadcast their home games. Note the name of the Charlottetown rink. Why were the Remparts games not all on Videotron? As has been said before...but you're going to believe what you want either way....naming rights are between the arena owners and the rights holder. The team itself has their own deal with Eastlink like Halifax and CB. The name on the rink being the same is a coincidence unless you have some proof that the deal Eastlink signed with the city in 2013 contained rights to the Islander games. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 4, 2019 14:20:51 GMT -4
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 4, 2019 14:59:24 GMT -4
In the CB-Char series ... Eastlink broadcast all the games from Charlottetown, bur CB would not allow them to broadcast their home games. Note the name of the Charlottetown rink. Why were the Remparts games not all on Videotron? As has been said before...but you're going to believe what you want either way....naming rights are between the arena owners and the rights holder. The team itself has their own deal with Eastlink like Halifax and CB. The name on the rink being the same is a coincidence unless you have some proof that the deal Eastlink signed with the city in 2013 contained rights to the Islander games. I don't know anything about Quebec's broadcasts ... whether or not they happen I have no clue. If the City owns the rink and received some amount of cash from Eastlink to have their name on the building, and Charlottetown is blocking Eastlink for playoff home games ... here is how the conversation goes. Eastlink Rep: Mr. Mayor, remember that $400,000 payment (or whatever it was) we made to your fine City to have our name on your rink ? Mayor of Charlottetown: Why yes I do ... what can I do for you ? Eastlink Rep: Your hockey team is blocking us from broadcasting their home games in the rink our name is on. We'd hate to have to end our relationship at the end of this contract as we'd certainly be looking to renew. Mayor of Charlottetown: I understand ... let me make a call. Islanders Rep: Hello? Mayor of Charlottetown: Let Eastlink in the building or your rent goes up by amount we lose from them pulling out, on your next contract. You may be costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars. Islanders Rep: Yes sir ... consider it done. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2019 15:05:55 GMT -4
Why were the Remparts games not all on Videotron? As has been said before...but you're going to believe what you want either way....naming rights are between the arena owners and the rights holder. The team itself has their own deal with Eastlink like Halifax and CB. The name on the rink being the same is a coincidence unless you have some proof that the deal Eastlink signed with the city in 2013 contained rights to the Islander games. I don't know anything about Quebec's broadcasts ... whether or not they happen I have no clue. If the City owns the rink and received some amount of cash from Eastlink to have their name on the building, and Charlottetown is blocking Eastlink for playoff home games ... here is how the conversation goes. Eastlink Rep: Mr. Mayor, remember that $400,000 payment (or whatever it was) we made to your fine City to have our name on your rink ? Mayor of Charlottetown: Why yes I do ... what can I do for you ? Eastlink Rep: Your hockey team is blocking us from broadcasting their home games in the rink our name is on. We'd hate to have to end our relationship at the end of this contract as we'd certainly be looking to renew. Mayor of Charlottetown: I understand ... let me make a call. Islanders Rep: Hello? Mayor of Charlottetown: Let Eastlink in the building or your rent goes up by amount we lose from them pulling out, on your next contract. You may be costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars. Islanders Rep: Yes sir ... consider it done. No. It doesn't go that way. But believe what you like. If the QMJHL partners with Bell or Rogers tomorrow the name on the rink doesn't change. Because the name on the rink and an agreement between Eastlink and a QMJHL team that happens to play out of that rink are not mutually exclusive. So the conversation you struck up there would never actually happen because the mayor doesn't control the QMJHL TV agreements. So to call him and complain about that would be quite the laughable waste of time. |
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Post by downthemiddle on Apr 4, 2019 15:11:49 GMT -4
CB also did allow Eastlink in when they played Charlottetown in round 2 in 2017 I believe. Could be wrong but I think it's standard Halifax and CB don't seem to do tv for round 1 but they do for round 2. Sucks for Charlottetown in round 1 but probably would have been the same thing if they played Halifax.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 4, 2019 15:15:48 GMT -4
I don't know anything about Quebec's broadcasts ... whether or not they happen I have no clue. If the City owns the rink and received some amount of cash from Eastlink to have their name on the building, and Charlottetown is blocking Eastlink for playoff home games ... here is how the conversation goes. Eastlink Rep: Mr. Mayor, remember that $400,000 payment (or whatever it was) we made to your fine City to have our name on your rink ? Mayor of Charlottetown: Why yes I do ... what can I do for you ? Eastlink Rep: Your hockey team is blocking us from broadcasting their home games in the rink our name is on. We'd hate to have to end our relationship at the end of this contract as we'd certainly be looking to renew. Mayor of Charlottetown: I understand ... let me make a call. Islanders Rep: Hello? Mayor of Charlottetown: Let Eastlink in the building or your rent goes up by amount we lose from them pulling out, on your next contract. You may be costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars. Islanders Rep: Yes sir ... consider it done. No. It doesn't go that way. But believe what you like. If the QMJHL partners with Bell or Rogers tomorrow the name on the rink doesn't change. Because the name on the rink and an agreement between Eastlink and a QMJHL team that happens to play out of that rink are not mutually exclusive. So the conversation you struck up there would never actually happen because the mayor doesn't control the QMJHL TV agreements. So to call him and complain about that would be quite the laughable waste of time. We all know that there is an agreement between the Q, the Islanders, Screaming eagles and Mooseheads. They may not all be tied together but there is an agreement between the Q, The Islanders and Eastlink. So there is a provision for the Islanders to have their home playoff broadcast because this already happened ... we know it. We don't know that there is a provision for the Islanders to block home broadcasts, but we know CB has that option, so it is not out of the question that the Islanders have one also. If the Islanders are costing the City what could be hundreds of thousands of dollars ... you can bet that the Mayor is going to call the Islanders and raise a stink. The Islanders would be fully in their right to tell the Mayor to piss off ... but why ruin a business relationship when it might cost you down the road. Why would you want to piss off your landlord ? If Bell or Rogers suddenly bought naming rights in Charlottetown then the Mayor doesn't get called by Eastlink because they no longer have a connection. But today they do ... so that is a non-issue. You are getting to be like Billy ... will never let go ... you are wrong here. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 4, 2019 15:21:06 GMT -4
CB also did allow Eastlink in when they played Charlottetown in round 2 in 2017 I believe. Could be wrong but I think it's standard Halifax and CB don't seem to do tv for round 1 but they do for round 2. Sucks for Charlottetown in round 1 but probably would have been the same thing if they played Halifax. Sure ... and maybe that's how the agreement goes ... they only have an option to block them out in Rd 1 which is traditionally poorly attended for all teams. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2019 15:23:22 GMT -4
No. It doesn't go that way. But believe what you like. If the QMJHL partners with Bell or Rogers tomorrow the name on the rink doesn't change. Because the name on the rink and an agreement between Eastlink and a QMJHL team that happens to play out of that rink are not mutually exclusive. So the conversation you struck up there would never actually happen because the mayor doesn't control the QMJHL TV agreements. So to call him and complain about that would be quite the laughable waste of time. We all know that there is an agreement between the Q, the Islanders, Screaming eagles and Mooseheads. They may not all be tied together but there is an agreement between the Q, The Islanders and Eastlink. So there is a provision for the Islanders to have their home playoff broadcast because this already happened ... we know it. We don't know that there is a provision for the Islanders to block home broadcasts, but we know CB has that option, so it is not out of the question that the Islanders have one also. If the Islanders are costing the City what could be hundreds of thousands of dollars ... you can bet that the Mayor is going to call the Islanders and raise a stink. The Islanders would be fully in their right to tell the Mayor to piss off ... but why ruin a business relationship when it might cost you down the road. Why would you want to piss off your landlord ? You are getting to be like Billy ... will never let go ... you are wrong here. Your entire point is based off of the Islanders not blocking round 1 games. Even though their own fans essentially said that was an option but they chose not to where we did. It's more realistic and probable the the 3 teams have the same deal but all 3 teams approach the TV rights differently. You're the one saying the building agreement ties into the teams TV agreement even though that makes no sense as it's 2 completely different negotiations hoping for 2 completely different outcomes. You are getting to be like Billy ... will never let go ... you are wrong here. Or else you'd prove with more the circumstantial evidence based on 3 Q playoff games in 1 season that the Eastlink building agreement with the city of PEI gives Eastlink full access to QMJHL playoff games whether the team agrees with it or not based on your fictional conversation 2 posts up or so. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2019 15:25:31 GMT -4
CB also did allow Eastlink in when they played Charlottetown in round 2 in 2017 I believe. Could be wrong but I think it's standard Halifax and CB don't seem to do tv for round 1 but they do for round 2. Sucks for Charlottetown in round 1 but probably would have been the same thing if they played Halifax. Sure ... and maybe that's how the agreement goes ... they only have an option to block them out in Rd 1 which is traditionally poorly attended for all teams. Yes and maybe Charlottetown's deal with Eastlink allows for full access of all playoff games. But it has nothing to do with the cities negotiations with Eastlink on naming rights for the building. That's a fiction you've created that you won't let die. |
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 4, 2019 15:51:58 GMT -4
We all know that there is an agreement between the Q, the Islanders, Screaming eagles and Mooseheads. They may not all be tied together but there is an agreement between the Q, The Islanders and Eastlink. So there is a provision for the Islanders to have their home playoff broadcast because this already happened ... we know it. We don't know that there is a provision for the Islanders to block home broadcasts, but we know CB has that option, so it is not out of the question that the Islanders have one also. If the Islanders are costing the City what could be hundreds of thousands of dollars ... you can bet that the Mayor is going to call the Islanders and raise a stink. The Islanders would be fully in their right to tell the Mayor to piss off ... but why ruin a business relationship when it might cost you down the road. Why would you want to piss off your landlord ? You are getting to be like Billy ... will never let go ... you are wrong here. Your entire point is based off of the Islanders not blocking round 1 games. Even though their own fans essentially said that was an option but they chose not to where we did. It's more realistic and probable the the 3 teams have the same deal but all 3 teams approach the TV rights differently. You're the one saying the building agreement ties into the teams TV agreement even though that makes no sense as it's 2 completely different negotiations hoping for 2 completely different outcomes. You are getting to be like Billy ... will never let go ... you are wrong here. Or else you'd prove with more the circumstantial evidence based on 3 Q playoff games in 1 season that the Eastlink building agreement with the city of PEI gives Eastlink full access to QMJHL playoff games whether the team agrees with it or not based on your fictional conversation 2 posts up or so. You missed something somewhere because you clearly are not understanding what I am saying. I'm not going to type it all in again ... go back and re-read what I wrote in this thread today. If you still don't get it then I can't help you. Nowhere did I say that the Arena deal and the TV deal are the same deal. |
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Post by lirette on Apr 4, 2019 16:01:32 GMT -4
Game 3 & 4 ticket sales are off to a better start than last series. If we could get over 4500 for those games I'd be happy with that. It would be almost a dream come true to see this one come back to Moncton for a 6th game on sunday with a 3-2 series lead. I'm confident they could sell out the Avenir for that.
Travelling down for games 1 & 2, mostly hoping not to get yelled at by someone in a Vuic jersey. Should be a crazy atmosphere with lots of other Cats fans coming down by the looks of it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2019 16:08:19 GMT -4
Your entire point is based off of the Islanders not blocking round 1 games. Even though their own fans essentially said that was an option but they chose not to where we did. It's more realistic and probable the the 3 teams have the same deal but all 3 teams approach the TV rights differently. You're the one saying the building agreement ties into the teams TV agreement even though that makes no sense as it's 2 completely different negotiations hoping for 2 completely different outcomes. You are getting to be like Billy ... will never let go ... you are wrong here. Or else you'd prove with more the circumstantial evidence based on 3 Q playoff games in 1 season that the Eastlink building agreement with the city of PEI gives Eastlink full access to QMJHL playoff games whether the team agrees with it or not based on your fictional conversation 2 posts up or so. You missed something somewhere because you clearly are not understanding what I am saying. I'm not going to type it all in again ... go back and re-read what I wrote in this thread today. If you still don't get it then I can't help you. Nowhere did I say that the Arena deal and the TV deal are the same deal. No you said 1 has conditions based on the other. Based on your "lets call the mayor lol" conversation. I didn't miss anything. You're just finally now trying to come back to earth with the conversation. I get it perfectly fine. But I always have. You're the one inventing conditions, conversations, and agreements that all make no sense when applied to the discussion we are having and what we know about similar agreements with teams in this league and others. |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 4, 2019 16:21:12 GMT -4
You missed something somewhere because you clearly are not understanding what I am saying. I'm not going to type it all in again ... go back and re-read what I wrote in this thread today. If you still don't get it then I can't help you. Nowhere did I say that the Arena deal and the TV deal are the same deal. No you said 1 has conditions based on the other. Based on your "lets call the mayor lol" conversation. I didn't miss anything. You're just finally now trying to come back to earth with the conversation. I get it perfectly fine. But I always have. You're the one inventing conditions, conversations, and agreements that all make no sense when applied to the discussion we are having and what we know about similar agreements with teams in this league and others. I am sure the Eastlink relationship with the City of Charlottetown is worth something when it comes to access rights ... not saying it gives them total access ... but I am sure being a key sponsor of the building gives them at least some indirect influence, in the manner SteveUL describes - they can call the City and say, “it would be appreciated if ...” at which point the City as landlord can make the same request to the team. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 4, 2019 16:52:05 GMT -4
Game 3 & 4 ticket sales are off to a better start than last series. If we could get over 4500 for those games I'd be happy with that. It would be almost a dream come true to see this one come back to Moncton for a 6th game on sunday with a 3-2 series lead. I'm confident they could sell out the Avenir for that. Travelling down for games 1 & 2, mostly hoping not to get yelled at by someone in a Vuic jersey. Should be a crazy atmosphere with lots of other Cats fans coming down by the looks of it. I am working in the area Tuesday so I will add 1 moose fan to your ticket sales for game 3  |
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