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Post by lahey55 on Jun 23, 2019 12:26:54 GMT -4
Happy for him! Surprised Poulin went ahead of him, though. Yep but surprised Lavoie never went ahead of both of them . I never much liked Lavoie. Way too perimeter to justify a first round pick on him, IMO. |
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Post by hockeyfanatic on Jun 23, 2019 17:36:15 GMT -4
Lavoie has tons of talent ! he was hurt part of the season but bounced back and had a great playoffs ,not as good as Pelletier without the puck ,but has a snipers goal scoring ability , you can't teach that, but you don't notice him when he doesn't have the puck, Pelletier is always one of the first players back to bail out a pinching D !
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Jun 23, 2019 18:34:55 GMT -4
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Post by mathew34 on Jun 23, 2019 18:34:55 GMT -4
Free agent invites: Jonathan Aspirot - Ottawa Mika Cyr - Philadelphia Aspirot is going to Habs camp not Ottawa |
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Jun 23, 2019 20:27:45 GMT -4
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jun 23, 2019 20:27:45 GMT -4
Free agent invites: Jonathan Aspirot - Ottawa Mika Cyr - Philadelphia Aspirot is going to Habs camp not Ottawa Accepted Montreal’s offer but then decided to go with Ottawa. |
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Jun 23, 2019 20:33:51 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 23, 2019 20:33:51 GMT -4
The LA Kings in my opinion had the best draft weekend. Consider the great pick of Jordan Spence was their 6th of the draft at #95. The Kings have a good stockpile at that D position so they can be patient and be perfectly honest they see him as a prospect but also an asset. If he puts up 60 pts in 68 games this season he is marketable even if they cant use him they can move him.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 24, 2019 6:20:54 GMT -4
Lavoie has tons of talent ! he was hurt part of the season but bounced back and had a great playoffs ,not as good as Pelletier without the puck ,but has a snipers goal scoring ability , you can't teach that, but you don't notice him when he doesn't have the puck, Pelletier is always one of the first players back to bail out a pinching D ! You can't teach goal scoring, but in the NHL scorers have to be willing to work for their chances and get their nose dirty, Lavoie has consistently avoided that. He did have excellent playoffs, but about 1/3 of his goals were empty netters I believe. |
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 24, 2019 10:20:27 GMT -4
Lavoie has tons of talent ! he was hurt part of the season but bounced back and had a great playoffs ,not as good as Pelletier without the puck ,but has a snipers goal scoring ability , you can't teach that, but you don't notice him when he doesn't have the puck, Pelletier is always one of the first players back to bail out a pinching D ! You can't teach goal scoring, but in the NHL scorers have to be willing to work for their chances and get their nose dirty, Lavoie has consistently avoided that. He did have excellent playoffs, but about 1/3 of his goals were empty netters I believe. And keep in mind that he was second in scoring in the playoffs, but that's because his team made it to Round 4 and played more games than everybody else. Playoff scoring is not a good measure of anything. But he did have a good playoff and was tough to shut down for Moncton ... they didn't shut him down. But his very good playoff compared to his mediocre regular season is one of the things that held him back in the draft. He had high expectations on him this year and that also worked against him. |
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Post by wild1 on Jun 24, 2019 11:19:32 GMT -4
Lavoie has tons of talent ! he was hurt part of the season but bounced back and had a great playoffs ,not as good as Pelletier without the puck ,but has a snipers goal scoring ability , you can't teach that, but you don't notice him when he doesn't have the puck, Pelletier is always one of the first players back to bail out a pinching D ! You can't teach goal scoring, but in the NHL scorers have to be willing to work for their chances and get their nose dirty, Lavoie has consistently avoided that. He did have excellent playoffs, but about 1/3 of his goals were empty netters I believe. Lavoie reminds me of Eric Daze, another former Q player who was a big winger and had talent, but played too soft and the compete level is just not there most of the time. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jun 24, 2019 11:49:03 GMT -4
You can't teach goal scoring, but in the NHL scorers have to be willing to work for their chances and get their nose dirty, Lavoie has consistently avoided that. He did have excellent playoffs, but about 1/3 of his goals were empty netters I believe. And keep in mind that he was second in scoring in the playoffs, but that's because his team made it to Round 4 and played more games than everybody else. Playoff scoring is not a good measure of anything. But he did have a good playoff and was tough to shut down for Moncton ... they didn't shut him down. But his very good playoff compared to his mediocre regular season is one of the things that held him back in the draft. He had high expectations on him this year and that also worked against him. While he was not the player during the regular season that was expected going into the year but more than a ppg and top-25 in scoring is hardly mediocre. |
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 24, 2019 12:09:35 GMT -4
And keep in mind that he was second in scoring in the playoffs, but that's because his team made it to Round 4 and played more games than everybody else. Playoff scoring is not a good measure of anything. But he did have a good playoff and was tough to shut down for Moncton ... they didn't shut him down. But his very good playoff compared to his mediocre regular season is one of the things that held him back in the draft. He had high expectations on him this year and that also worked against him. While he was not the player during the regular season that was expected going into the year but more than a ppg and top-25 in scoring is hardly mediocre. You are correct ... I should qualify that. Mediocre for a guy that was expected to be a first round NHL draft pick, playing in his 3rd season in the league, playing key icetime on a loaded team. IMO he was a potential 90-100 pt player coming into the season ... 30 goals and 63 pts as a 17 yo the season before. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jun 24, 2019 12:15:57 GMT -4
While he was not the player during the regular season that was expected going into the year but more than a ppg and top-25 in scoring is hardly mediocre. You are correct ... I should qualify that. Mediocre for a guy that was expected to be a first round NHL draft pick, playing in his 3rd season in the league, playing key icetime on a loaded team. IMO he was a potential 90-100 pt player coming into the season ... 30 goals and 63 pts as a 17 yo the season before. I think he probably would have been a 90-point player (or close to it) if it wasn't for the herniated disc that derailed him a bit. And it was clear he was playing injured. |
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 24, 2019 14:49:41 GMT -4
You are correct ... I should qualify that. Mediocre for a guy that was expected to be a first round NHL draft pick, playing in his 3rd season in the league, playing key icetime on a loaded team. IMO he was a potential 90-100 pt player coming into the season ... 30 goals and 63 pts as a 17 yo the season before. I think he probably would have been a 90-point player (or close to it) if it wasn't for the herniated disc that derailed him a bit. And it was clear he was playing injured. I have had a herniated disc and there was no way I could play hockey. Any quick movements resulted in intense pain shooting through my body ... I walked around like an old man for a month, and could not stand up straight. He may have had a back injury ... muscular lets say ... but to play hockey with a herniated disc could be career ending He may have been injured ... but why play injured in your draft year ? That reduced level of play you show just works against you. His team was loaded and did not need him to help them win. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Jun 24, 2019 15:20:17 GMT -4
I think he probably would have been a 90-point player (or close to it) if it wasn't for the herniated disc that derailed him a bit. And it was clear he was playing injured. I have had a herniated disc and there was no way I could play hockey. Any quick movements resulted in intense pain shooting through my body ... I walked around like an old man for a month, and could not stand up straight. He may have had a back injury ... muscular lets say ... but to play hockey with a herniated disc could be career ending He may have been injured ... but why play injured in your draft year ? That reduced level of play you show just works against you. His team was loaded and did not need him to help them win. It’s very possible that he played with a herniated disc. It doesn’t take much investigating to find examples of players that have had that injury and played through it. While by no means ideal, it’s possible and not career ending. Players play injured all the time, draft year or not. That’s nothing new, nor even a risk that works against you necessarily. Sitting out when you can play through the injury can cause as many issues in the eyes of scouts, as playing at a lower level then what was expected. Going in the 2nd round, instead of the 1st really doesn’t mean anything in the long run. He might have been the 2nd guy on everyone’s list and just kept sliding, there’s so many factors that go into it. He was a potential 1st round player, like so many others and slid into the early 2nd... not a big deal at the end of the day. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jun 24, 2019 17:37:16 GMT -4
I have had a herniated disc and there was no way I could play hockey. Any quick movements resulted in intense pain shooting through my body ... I walked around like an old man for a month, and could not stand up straight. He may have had a back injury ... muscular lets say ... but to play hockey with a herniated disc could be career ending He may have been injured ... but why play injured in your draft year ? That reduced level of play you show just works against you. His team was loaded and did not need him to help them win. It’s very possible that he played with a herniated disc. It doesn’t take much investigating to find examples of players that have had that injury and played through it. While by no means ideal, it’s possible and not career ending. Players play injured all the time, draft year or not. That’s nothing new, nor even a risk that works against you necessarily. Sitting out when you can play through the injury can cause as many issues in the eyes of scouts, as playing at a lower level then what was expected. Going in the 2nd round, instead of the 1st really doesn’t mean anything in the long run. He might have been the 2nd guy on everyone’s list and just kept sliding, there’s so many factors that go into it. He was a potential 1st round player, like so many others and slid into the early 2nd... not a big deal at the end of the day. I played rugby with a herniated disc. It’s about managing it. Like you said you can find lots of examples of sportsmen playing with a herniated disc. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 26, 2019 6:37:53 GMT -4
You are correct ... I should qualify that. Mediocre for a guy that was expected to be a first round NHL draft pick, playing in his 3rd season in the league, playing key icetime on a loaded team. IMO he was a potential 90-100 pt player coming into the season ... 30 goals and 63 pts as a 17 yo the season before. I think he probably would have been a 90-point player (or close to it) if it wasn't for the herniated disc that derailed him a bit. And it was clear he was playing injured. If he had a herniated disc, I doubt they would have let him play, especially with a guaranteed MC appearance. |
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