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Post by jezegou on Sept 6, 2007 23:41:31 GMT -4
it certainly is going to be a strong team this season i can hardly wait for it.
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Post by Gman on Sept 7, 2007 8:27:27 GMT -4
We in Halifax feel your pain ;D I'll take your word for it.......I really haven't looked at what Halifax has this year......... We are deep at the forward position as well. Really, Smith and Cheremetiev could end up on the 4th line, and those guys are both 3rd year players who are capable of 50+ points each on a scoring line. Pridham was tied for 2nd on the team in scoring last year and will likely be playing 3rd line. The depth and experience is pretty frightening. They just need to develop chemistry in order to take advantage of it. |
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Post by chsb on Sept 7, 2007 9:14:53 GMT -4
No doubt that the Mooseheads are deep offensively, but they have the same weaknesses as the Titan....specially worse in goals and defensively I would not rate them much higher than the Titan.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 7, 2007 9:25:02 GMT -4
I think your GA will improve with Tardif Desnoyers Sigouin Tesink all with one more year under their belt, though Tesink will not give you much the first 1/3 until he gets 6-10 games in. I don't see Tardif an an elite goalie at 17 but good enough to give you average to above average goaltending most nights. As Steve said the challenge is to replace the offense of pure skill guys like Beau and Bartos(at least early on if he returns at all). Guys like Clendenning Masse Joly can give you more but they are not elite skilled guys. Messier and Svoboda will help though. If you talk about replacing Beauregard as an elite player, I concur with you.... For Bartos, I will differ: He scored 23 goals last season aside Perreault compared to Massé's 26 on the 2nd line. Bartos was more of a setup player than a pure sniper. On the first line, the setup man is Perreault and for him to be surrounded by good scorers is essential. Clendenning has proven in 05-06 that he can score...... Therefore my worries are not on the offensive side of the game. In view of your opinion that we can improve substantially the GAA with the present team, I can see a major improvement in the team. However the Division as a whole will be much tougher this season. Bartos was not a great finisher but he had a big part of your PP success along with Perreault Carle and Beauregard. His strength is down low close to the goal making short soft passes for close in chances. |
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Post by chsb on Sept 7, 2007 10:49:38 GMT -4
If you talk about replacing Beauregard as an elite player, I concur with you.... For Bartos, I will differ: He scored 23 goals last season aside Perreault compared to Massé's 26 on the 2nd line. Bartos was more of a setup player than a pure sniper. On the first line, the setup man is Perreault and for him to be surrounded by good scorers is essential. Clendenning has proven in 05-06 that he can score...... Therefore my worries are not on the offensive side of the game. In view of your opinion that we can improve substantially the GAA with the present team, I can see a major improvement in the team. However the Division as a whole will be much tougher this season. Bartos was not a great finisher but he had a big part of your PP success along with Perreault Carle and Beauregard. His strength is down low close to the goal making short soft passes for close in chances. Nobody mentioned that Bartos would not be a loss. I simply added that his offensive output could possibly be matched or at least offset to some extent by Massé. The same goes for Beauregard. |
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 7, 2007 11:23:44 GMT -4
Masse is already in the equation ... his goals already figure into your analysis ... you can't count him twice.
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Post by lou on Sept 7, 2007 13:01:51 GMT -4
Bartos was not a great finisher but he had a big part of your PP success along with Perreault Carle and Beauregard. His strength is down low close to the goal making short soft passes for close in chances. Nobody mentioned that Bartos would not be a loss. I simply added that his offensive output could possibly be matched or at least offset to some extent by Massé. The same goes for Beauregard. With Massé AND Bartos, we had Massé's points PLUS Bartos's points. With Bartos out, we are left with Massé's points. Someone else has to pick up the slack for Bartos. And we don't have anyone hiding anywhere that can do that. I haven't joined in the Bartos bashing threads (either for or against...I have my opinion on that that I'll keep for now...) but if Bartos doesn't come back, it is a HUGE loss for the team in my opinion. You cannot have someone in your top 3 players (IMO) just disappear. If we are indeed going to contend this season, like most I thought we probably would, we are forced to get someone to replace Bartos (aside from other acquisitions we need). It is really crappy timing if he doesn't come back. Big loss in my opinion...bigger than some will admit to... |
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Post by IslandersHKY on Sept 7, 2007 13:15:04 GMT -4
With Massé AND Bartos, we had Massé's points PLUS Bartos's points. With Bartos out, we are left with Massé's points. Someone else has to pick up the slack for Bartos. And we don't have anyone hiding anywhere that can do that. I haven't joined in the Bartos bashing threads (either for or against...I have my opinion on that that I'll keep for now...) but if Bartos doesn't come back, it is a HUGE loss for the team in my opinion. You cannot have someone in your top 3 players (IMO) just disappear. If we are indeed going to contend this season, like most I thought we probably would, we are forced to get someone to replace Bartos (aside from other acquisitions we need). It is really crappy timing if he doesn't come back. Big loss in my opinion...bigger than some will admit to... Great post Lou, And like yourself I have stayed out of speculating whether or not Bartos will or will not show up but here is how I see it. With Bartos, Bathurst looks to have one of the best offenses in the Q. Without Bartos, Bathurst should still be above average offensively but goaltending and defense are predicted to be average right now (on paper) so his offense could be considered the preseason difference between predicting Bathurst to be a potential contender vs a strong team. As a PEI fan without Bartos I see the Titan more in line with the Rocket as a very good team but (on paper) not quite at the same level as a top team like Halifax. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 7, 2007 13:20:40 GMT -4
Masse is already in the equation ... his goals already figure into your analysis ... you can't count him twice. chsb will clone Masse and have 2 Masses, one will help replace Bartos...try and keep up! |
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Post by chsb on Sept 7, 2007 14:53:06 GMT -4
With Massé AND Bartos, we had Massé's points PLUS Bartos's points. With Bartos out, we are left with Massé's points. Someone else has to pick up the slack for Bartos. And we don't have anyone hiding anywhere that can do that. I haven't joined in the Bartos bashing threads (either for or against...I have my opinion on that that I'll keep for now...) but if Bartos doesn't come back, it is a HUGE loss for the team in my opinion. You cannot have someone in your top 3 players (IMO) just disappear. If we are indeed going to contend this season, like most I thought we probably would, we are forced to get someone to replace Bartos (aside from other acquisitions we need). It is really crappy timing if he doesn't come back. Big loss in my opinion...bigger than some will admit to... Great post Lou, And like yourself I have stayed out of speculating whether or not Bartos will or will not show up but here is how I see it. With Bartos, Bathurst looks to have one of the best offenses in the Q. Without Bartos, Bathurst should still be above average offensively but goaltending and defense are predicted to be average right now (on paper) so his offense could be considered the preseason difference between predicting Bathurst to be a potential contender vs a strong team. As a PEI fan without Bartos I see the Titan more in line with the Rocket as a very good team but (on paper) not quite at the same level as a top team like Halifax. In the Bartos situation, there is not much we can do as Titan fans but to hope for the best and that other players will step up their play to alleviate his loss. I am pretty confident that Massé could be one to do just that. Replacing Massé on the 2nd line by a guy like Joly will probably mean some loss of production but more grit to the line. Losing Joly on 3rd line simply makes room for Faille or Jezegou on there.... So! all in all my the question is if Joly can take over on the 2nd line.... As for the Titan being on par with the Rocket, I have a hard time with that one: the Rocket do not have the depth in offense that the Titan have, with or without Bartos. The Titan have another big advantage...the coaching...very easy to be better than Jean. On defense, having Swit as an OA on the team does signal that the depth is not that great: apart from Gervais and Lessard, your defense is rather young with 2 of 17 YO in Southorn and Clow who should be good in the future but at 17, we all saw what situation it was in Bathusts last season with 4 of them that age. Malouin is also 17 and Swit is no better than #5-6 D. I am not ready to concede any big edge there to the Rocket. Nevertheless the Titan have a bigger task on hand with bartos loss..... I cannot wait for the first puck to drop on the season. |
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Post by Steeler1 on Sept 7, 2007 15:25:01 GMT -4
You forgot one thing, the parade route. That's the stupidest post in this thread. No it isn't. The first post has that all beaten. |
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Post by bjindaho on Sept 7, 2007 15:31:17 GMT -4
Don't feed the trolls!
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Post by Murph on Sept 7, 2007 15:35:14 GMT -4
Bartos was not a great finisher but he had a big part of your PP success along with Perreault Carle and Beauregard. His strength is down low close to the goal making short soft passes for close in chances. Nobody mentioned that Bartos would not be a loss. I simply added that his offensive output could possibly be matched or at least offset to some extent by Massé. The same goes for Beauregard. The thing you fail to acknowledge, is how much easier it'll be on opposing teams to shut down Perrault this year (in 5 on 5 situations), compared to last. Last year, you couldn't shut down his line by focusing on just Perrault, because he was surrounded by top end players. This year, teams can take a more aggressive focus on just shutting down Perrault. If they accomplish that, his line goes to shit. This year, he's got guys on his line who will need Perrault to be productive for them to be effective. That wasn't the case last year. You couldn't go into a game and say "Let's focus on Perrault, because he makes the offence go on that line" because he didn't. It was the entire unit. This year, he does make his line go. |
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Post by chsb on Sept 7, 2007 15:59:16 GMT -4
Nobody mentioned that Bartos would not be a loss. I simply added that his offensive output could possibly be matched or at least offset to some extent by Massé. The same goes for Beauregard. The thing you fail to acknowledge, is how much easier it'll be on opposing teams to shut down Perrault this year (in 5 on 5 situations), compared to last. Last year, you couldn't shut down his line by focusing on just Perrault, because he was surrounded by top end players. This year, teams can take a more aggressive focus on just shutting down Perrault. If they accomplish that, his line goes to shit. This year, he's got guys on his line who will need Perrault to be productive for them to be effective. That wasn't the case last year. You couldn't go into a game and say "Let's focus on Perrault, because he makes the offence go on that line" because he didn't. It was the entire unit. This year, he does make his line go. I don't know about that part..... Iam rather expecting the 2nd line to be better than last year's because guys like Messier , Clendenning and Joly will be better than last year....I am expecting a big season from Jordan. Messier has the chance he wanted to play on top 2 lines. Joly got his chance to prove himself. Last year, we had Jezegou,Bordeleau,Bergeron, playing 2nd line with Massé and Clendenning and it was not a regular performing line. By having a strong 2nd line, no doubt that it will ease the task for the 1st line. |
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Post by seahawk on Sept 7, 2007 16:35:14 GMT -4
Last season we had Masse-Clendenning and Bartos playing as a line.
Perreault-Beauregard and who-ever was the top line. Bartos played with the top two on the powerplay.
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