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Post by SteveUL on Oct 15, 2019 8:36:29 GMT -4
Deserves 10 +. Skated from out side the blue line and did not ease up. Charging , boarding, headshot, take your choice. I don't see the headshot ... I see the charge and the boarding. The only reason it is from behind is because MacCullum tried to spin out of the hit to avoid, and Hoyt had no time to change his path. But it was a dangerous hit only because he came in too fast and did not let up. He was hitting to hurt IMO. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 15, 2019 9:36:13 GMT -4
Deserves 10 +. Skated from out side the blue line and did not ease up. Charging , boarding, headshot, take your choice. I don't see the headshot ... I see the charge and the boarding. The only reason it is from behind is because MacCullum tried to spin out of the hit to avoid, and Hoyt had no time to change his path. But it was a dangerous hit only because he came in too fast and did not let up. He was hitting to hurt IMO. I agree. When it happened I said that exact thing. Watching it occur it was hard to tell if it was a head shot, hit from behind, etc etc. The one thing that cant be debated though is that Hoyt went in much faster and hit much harder than he ever needed into order to knock his opponent down and separate him from the puck. He went in hot looking to causing harm. That, IMO, is what guaranteed he'd get a suspension of some sort. The league can sort the rest of it out, if anything. |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 15, 2019 9:45:10 GMT -4
I don't see the headshot ... I see the charge and the boarding. The only reason it is from behind is because MacCullum tried to spin out of the hit to avoid, and Hoyt had no time to change his path. But it was a dangerous hit only because he came in too fast and did not let up. He was hitting to hurt IMO. I agree. When it happened I said that exact thing. Watching it occur it was hard to tell if it was a head shot, hit from behind, etc etc. The one thing that cant be debated though is that Hoyt went in much faster and hit much harder than he ever needed into order to knock his opponent down and separate him from the puck. He went in hot looking to causing harm. That, IMO, is what guaranteed he'd get a suspension of some sort. The league can sort the rest of it out, if anything. I don't disagree ... but if Hoyt comes in slower then MacCullum likely escapes with the puck and the forecheck is ineffective. So it is a hockey play that just went wrong. Nobody should ever be penalized for skating too fast, but you have to protect the player you are targeting on the forecheck. |
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Post by lirette on Oct 15, 2019 10:12:19 GMT -4
I agree. When it happened I said that exact thing. Watching it occur it was hard to tell if it was a head shot, hit from behind, etc etc. The one thing that cant be debated though is that Hoyt went in much faster and hit much harder than he ever needed into order to knock his opponent down and separate him from the puck. He went in hot looking to causing harm. That, IMO, is what guaranteed he'd get a suspension of some sort. The league can sort the rest of it out, if anything. I don't disagree ... but if Hoyt comes in slower then MacCullum likely escapes with the puck and the forecheck is ineffective. So it is a hockey play that just went wrong. Nobody should ever be penalized for skating too fast, but you have to protect the player you are targeting on the forecheck. The whole spirit of the charging penalty is essentially to prevent players from skating too fast to hit violently. |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 15, 2019 11:59:51 GMT -4
I don't disagree ... but if Hoyt comes in slower then MacCullum likely escapes with the puck and the forecheck is ineffective. So it is a hockey play that just went wrong. Nobody should ever be penalized for skating too fast, but you have to protect the player you are targeting on the forecheck. The whole spirit of the charging penalty is essentially to prevent players from skating too fast to hit violently. I get that ... but if he slows down then he doesn't catch the Dman and he escapes with the puck behind the net. This is what they are taught to do ... don't let that Dman escape with the puck and get it up ice. They arrived at the same location at the same moment because Hoyt didn't slow. I just find it hard to blame Hoyt when this is what they are encouraged to do in practice ... on every team at every level that allows checking. Having said that it appears to me that Hoyt is trying to lay a heavy hit on the Dman and showed no care for his opponent ... hitting to hurt. Hoyt has about 40 pounds on MacCallum and is a 20 yr old vs a 17 yr old and one of the problems with the wider age bracket we have at this level. It was a man hitting a boy. A veteran player should know better and pick and choose his spots better. But if he did let up and missed the Dman then his Coach gives him shit at the bench. If Hoyt says "I was afraid I'd hurt him" ... the Coach isn't going to say "oh, okay then" ... he is going to say "WTF  Go take your gear off, you are done for the day". |
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Post by rascal17 on Oct 15, 2019 13:24:35 GMT -4
The only real problem with throwing this hit is that Cale turns away from it at the very last millisecond. Look how close Hoyt is, who is actually in front of Cale, and he was STILL facing forward. If Cale braces for the hit and absorbs it, they probably both skate away from it like it was routine play. I don't know Hoyt's reputation, but tough to throw the book at him for this one. But of course, injury often plays a part. View AttachmentTHANK YOU. Some common sense over here. If Cale didn’t put himself in a vulnerable position right before the hit, we wouldn’t even be talking about it. Hoyt was going fast, but he didn’t take a stride after entering the faceoff circle, and kept his feet planted on the ice right up until impact. I don’t see an elbow or anything deliberate to the head. Hoyt isn’t at fault here. I get players need to be held responsible for their hits, but it goes both ways - players can’t just put themselves in dangerous positions right before impact and cry victim - this is hockey, not soccer. Players have a role to play in their own safety. |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 15, 2019 13:53:40 GMT -4
The only real problem with throwing this hit is that Cale turns away from it at the very last millisecond. Look how close Hoyt is, who is actually in front of Cale, and he was STILL facing forward. If Cale braces for the hit and absorbs it, they probably both skate away from it like it was routine play. I don't know Hoyt's reputation, but tough to throw the book at him for this one. But of course, injury often plays a part. View AttachmentTHANK YOU. Some common sense over here. If Cale didn’t put himself in a vulnerable position right before the hit, we wouldn’t even be talking about it. Hoyt was going fast, but he didn’t take a stride after entering the faceoff circle, and kept his feet planted on the ice right up until impact. I don’t see an elbow or anything deliberate to the head. Hoyt isn’t at fault here. I get players need to be held responsible for their hits, but it goes both ways - players can’t just put themselves in dangerous positions right before impact and cry victim - this is hockey, not soccer. Players have a role to play in their own safety. The Dman is trying to avoid the hit altogether ... he is trying to put himself in a safer position by completely avoiding the hit. It is not his wish to place himself in a vulnerable position ... he is just trying to do his job and move the puck. It didn't work out for him but that's what he was trying to do. Once he committed to that approach there was no changing his mind. To prevent hits like this then you have to take checking right out of the game. This is a hockey play and the forward is encouraged to lay the body in this scenario ... the Dman is trying to move the puck and get it up ice. This time the forward accomplished his intent ... many other times the Dman avoids the hit and moves the puck up ice. The Dman in no way "cried victim". Just some of the fans watching the game. |
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Post by rascal17 on Oct 15, 2019 22:18:16 GMT -4
THANK YOU. Some common sense over here. If Cale didn’t put himself in a vulnerable position right before the hit, we wouldn’t even be talking about it. Hoyt was going fast, but he didn’t take a stride after entering the faceoff circle, and kept his feet planted on the ice right up until impact. I don’t see an elbow or anything deliberate to the head. Hoyt isn’t at fault here. I get players need to be held responsible for their hits, but it goes both ways - players can’t just put themselves in dangerous positions right before impact and cry victim - this is hockey, not soccer. Players have a role to play in their own safety. The Dman is trying to avoid the hit altogether ... he is trying to put himself in a safer position by completely avoiding the hit. It is not his wish to place himself in a vulnerable position ... he is just trying to do his job and move the puck. It didn't work out for him but that's what he was trying to do. Once he committed to that approach there was no changing his mind. To prevent hits like this then you have to take checking right out of the game. This is a hockey play and the forward is encouraged to lay the body in this scenario ... the Dman is trying to move the puck and get it up ice. This time the forward accomplished his intent ... many other times the Dman avoids the hit and moves the puck up ice. The Dman in no way "cried victim". Just some of the fans watching the game. The Dman didn’t cry victim no, but the league is making it seem like he got murdered - that’s what I’m pissed about. We’ve all seen real predatory hits, where a player deliberately attempts to hurt or injure another - of course that warrants an indefinite suspension. In this case it clearly wasn’t that, and I don’t think Hoyt should be suspended for more than a game if that - let alone indefinitely. |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 16, 2019 7:41:12 GMT -4
The Dman is trying to avoid the hit altogether ... he is trying to put himself in a safer position by completely avoiding the hit. It is not his wish to place himself in a vulnerable position ... he is just trying to do his job and move the puck. It didn't work out for him but that's what he was trying to do. Once he committed to that approach there was no changing his mind. To prevent hits like this then you have to take checking right out of the game. This is a hockey play and the forward is encouraged to lay the body in this scenario ... the Dman is trying to move the puck and get it up ice. This time the forward accomplished his intent ... many other times the Dman avoids the hit and moves the puck up ice. The Dman in no way "cried victim". Just some of the fans watching the game. The Dman didn’t cry victim no, but the league is making it seem like he got murdered - that’s what I’m pissed about. We’ve all seen real predatory hits, where a player deliberately attempts to hurt or injure another - of course that warrants an indefinite suspension. In this case it clearly wasn’t that, and I don’t think Hoyt should be suspended for more than a game if that - let alone indefinitely. The league is not to blame here. The Referees gave Hoyt a Match penalty for the hit, because at regular speed it has an appearance of dirty. The league has no choice as the Match comes with an automatic "indefinite" suspension which means "until they have a chance to look at it and rule on it". It was a holiday weekend so they probably didn't look at it until yesterday. I would expect a ruling today. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 8:22:42 GMT -4
The only real problem with throwing this hit is that Cale turns away from it at the very last millisecond. Look how close Hoyt is, who is actually in front of Cale, and he was STILL facing forward. If Cale braces for the hit and absorbs it, they probably both skate away from it like it was routine play. I don't know Hoyt's reputation, but tough to throw the book at him for this one. But of course, injury often plays a part. View AttachmentMy advice to to Dmen in this position has always been to jump,to get you head above the other guys shoulders, and bring your stick up. |
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Post by bigdog on Oct 16, 2019 9:47:24 GMT -4
How come no one is discussing how high the hitters hands are and the force the right side of the hitters body hits the glass with arms and stick up high....it’s like his body whips forward to hit the D’s body/head. This is the most dangerous part of the hit and the part that will bring the largest suspension to date this year. Someone said it was the “hardest” hit they had ever seen on the boards...ps...I have watched the video many times and I still can’t say for certain that the original contact had Kale with his back to the hitter...the beginning of the hit may have turned him that way...but I think the whip of the hit also caused that to happen...
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Post by robichaud on Oct 16, 2019 18:51:16 GMT -4
Seven games for Hoyt, for charging.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 6:30:33 GMT -4
Ok, so to sum this up: - Hoyt’s hit on McCallum was textbook. In fact it’s the way hockey players are taught. - McCallum caused the damage, not Hoyt. - Any suspension by the league is an over-reaction. - Hoyt laughing after knocking McCallum unconscious in a pool of his own blood is not only appropriate, but quite normal - in fact it would have been strange had he NOT found humour here. - McCallum created the result all by himself. - Anyone who disagrees with this viewpoint never played hockey. You wouldn’t happen to be a relative of Peyton Hoyt, would you? Wow I didn't see this. Sorry I don't live here.\ A - As originally stated, yes B - No, McCallum did not cause himself to get injured and bleed, but his actions lead to it, and is not what you generally see from a defender, so... yes. C - Of course it is. Any league is put under the microscope with an injured player D - So Hoyt, in the middle of the playing a game, laid what he believed to be a clean forecheck on a defender, saw that he had caused said defender to bleed and immediately started grinning because of it? Do you think he was going haha, that'll show em? I don't think so. As I said he is laughing at the fact that his anticipated clean forecheck lead to a penalty. If you can't see that and actually believe he's laughing at making a player bleed, please, I implore you to come out and identify yourselves as you have no understanding of the game of hockey E - This is what you stated in B F - No, you can view it however you like, it's a hockey message board. But disagreeing with it says a lot about who you are as a credible hockey mind. Just makes it easier to see the knobs on these boards. I'm a Mooseheads fan who has a general dislike for the Foreurs, so thinking I have some sort of agenda here is just wrong. I simply threw my two cents into a discussion that seemed to include many rose-colored glasses. Was actually going to ask who Peyton Hoyt is until I remembered he was the player committing the act. So yeah, sure, I'm a relative of his. He's committed 2 PIM since this so either he's a born-again Christian, or he just isn't the malicious animal you people wanted to make him out to be. I wonder which it is... |
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Post by berner on Jan 8, 2020 22:39:19 GMT -4
Ok, so to sum this up: - Hoyt’s hit on McCallum was textbook. In fact it’s the way hockey players are taught. - McCallum caused the damage, not Hoyt. - Any suspension by the league is an over-reaction. - Hoyt laughing after knocking McCallum unconscious in a pool of his own blood is not only appropriate, but quite normal - in fact it would have been strange had he NOT found humour here. - McCallum created the result all by himself. - Anyone who disagrees with this viewpoint never played hockey. You wouldn’t happen to be a relative of Peyton Hoyt, would you? Wow I didn't see this. Sorry I don't live here.\ A - As originally stated, yes B - No, McCallum did not cause himself to get injured and bleed, but his actions lead to it, and is not what you generally see from a defender, so... yes. C - Of course it is. Any league is put under the microscope with an injured player D - So Hoyt, in the middle of the playing a game, laid what he believed to be a clean forecheck on a defender, saw that he had caused said defender to bleed and immediately started grinning because of it? Do you think he was going haha, that'll show em? I don't think so. As I said he is laughing at the fact that his anticipated clean forecheck lead to a penalty. If you can't see that and actually believe he's laughing at making a player bleed, please, I implore you to come out and identify yourselves as you have no understanding of the game of hockey E - This is what you stated in B F - No, you can view it however you like, it's a hockey message board. But disagreeing with it says a lot about who you are as a credible hockey mind. Just makes it easier to see the knobs on these boards. I'm a Mooseheads fan who has a general dislike for the Foreurs, so thinking I have some sort of agenda here is just wrong. I simply threw my two cents into a discussion that seemed to include many rose-colored glasses. Was actually going to ask who Peyton Hoyt is until I remembered he was the player committing the act. So yeah, sure, I'm a relative of his. He's committed 2 PIM since this so either he's a born-again Christian, or he just isn't the malicious animal you people wanted to make him out to be. I wonder which it is... Thanks for the response! 👍 👍 |
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