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Post by berner on Nov 29, 2019 17:26:53 GMT -4
most teams roll 3 lines with the 4th getting sporadic icetime.... and less icetime when losing..... that's not exactly anything new but i said it from the get go..... building a team with so many high profile players of the same birth year was going to become a problem...... just didn't expect it to be this quickly... some of the prizes are going to be shipped out before reaching their potential Yes, most teams do - but the current Seadogs are not like most teams. Lots of high end young talent. They need ice time. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 29, 2019 20:33:11 GMT -4
Coaching every game like it is game 7 of the playoffs - tends to happen when the coach feels his job is on the line. He was doing that when he was perfectly safe. Since Drover was acquired at Christmas last year, he's been glued to the 4th line when he plays. My question becomes though, what or why is Drover not getting the ice time? You have Burns from the same draft, who was not as talented in his draft year and he’s had no problems acclimating to the Q and is now a PPG player. Drover meanwhile hasn’t produced enough to warrant even playing more then a 4th line role.. now I agree that a young offensive player like himself needs to be put in a position to succeed but at the same time, if a guy isn’t earning his ice time then I don’t think he should be gifted it either. It’s a fine line to walk and I honestly don’t think that right now he’s worthy of a top 9 role unless you’re handing it to him because I do believe there is 9 better forwards right now on the roster. For whatever reason he can’t get himself out of that doghouse with the coaches, I thought he’d be better at this point then he is.. it’s easy to blame the coaches but the player has a role to play in all this to some degree as well. |
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 30, 2019 0:00:09 GMT -4
Anyone remember 10 years ago when Tomas Jurco and Zach Phillips played on the 4th line and took turns as healthy scratches at 17?
And yes that was a better team than this one but that's mostly because of the younger defense.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 30, 2019 7:50:25 GMT -4
Anyone remember 10 years ago when Tomas Jurco and Zach Phillips played on the 4th line and took turns as healthy scratches at 17? And yes that was a better team than this one but that's mostly because of the younger defense. Yes, but the that lineup was: Galiev - Hoffman - Petersen Huberdeau - Kirkpatrick - Anthony MacAulay - Gauthier - Thomas Jurco - Phillips - Pard Where Pard started top 6 and Huberdeau took the spot as a 16 year old Pard was a reliable vet, the 5 top 6 not named Huberdeau were ppg and we had a legit shutdown checking line |
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 30, 2019 9:44:14 GMT -4
Anyone remember 10 years ago when Tomas Jurco and Zach Phillips played on the 4th line and took turns as healthy scratches at 17? And yes that was a better team than this one but that's mostly because of the younger defense. Yes, but the that lineup was: Galiev - Hoffman - Petersen Huberdeau - Kirkpatrick - Anthony MacAulay - Gauthier - Thomas Jurco - Phillips - Pard Where Pard started top 6 and Huberdeau took the spot as a 16 year old Pard was a reliable vet, the 5 top 6 not named Huberdeau were ppg and we had a legit shutdown checking line And yet somehow Jurco and Phillips managed developped into pretty decent Q players despite their 4th line/occasional healthy scratch duty at 17. My point isn't so much about Dixon's decision about how to use Drover as I do think that he is being underused, and that Dixon uses a short bench in general at forward. A 4th line has been pretty non-existant all season with the regular use of 11 forwards. My point was more about the long-term effects of it regardless of the reason for it, as well as a response to the suggestion that some are making (in this thread as well as the Bathurst one) that the problem stems from having too many 2002 born players. As far as forwards go, there were the same number of 1992 born players (4) in the lineup you mentioned from 10 years ago as there are 2002 born forwards regularly in the lineup, which was also the same number of 1997 born forwards 5 years ago. The problem with having too many 17 year olds on the team is on D, not at forward. And even there, the problem certainly isn't not having enough ice time for all of them. |
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Post by juliansteed on Nov 30, 2019 11:46:38 GMT -4
Yes, but the that lineup was: Galiev - Hoffman - Petersen Huberdeau - Kirkpatrick - Anthony MacAulay - Gauthier - Thomas Jurco - Phillips - Pard Where Pard started top 6 and Huberdeau took the spot as a 16 year old Pard was a reliable vet, the 5 top 6 not named Huberdeau were ppg and we had a legit shutdown checking line My point isn't so much about Dixon's decision about how to use Drover as I do think that he is being underused, and that Dixon uses a short bench in general at forward. A 4th line has been pretty non-existant all season with the regular use of 11 forwards. That's just it. There's a big difference between being a 4th liner that season and being a 4th liner this season so I'm not sure that is a great comparison. The Sea Dogs usually had a big lead half way through the game that season and Gallant would play his 4th line lots throughout the game. Or he'd often start mixing up the lines once the Sea Dogs had a comfortable lead. I do agree with the point that there aren't too many 17 year old forwards on the roster this season. They just need to start using 12 forwards more often and playing the 4th line more. Not just for the benefit of player development but to give the other forwards more rest. |
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 1, 2019 8:36:19 GMT -4
White and Vandervoet played well last night.
The problem with the 4th line is that Gould should have been the 3rd guy on it last night (and they should have played more).
When Drover plays poorly, he sits. When he plays well, White plays more instead. I have no problem with him rotating, just who he plays with.
On D, we have a mess. Our top 4 D are 17 year-olds and it could be argued that Lehmus is our 5th best. There is no excuse for Georgie not having 1-2 vets who improve our D (our two 19 year-olds have less GP combined than any of our top 3 17s, and Desroches has only a little more than 10 games of experience on them.
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