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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2020 13:17:34 GMT -4
In an ideal world we'd be looking to move Fortier and Spence to accelerate our rebuild, and a few others. What are the chances that anybody is even considering trades right now with the 2nd Wave upon us ?
I could see Spence being the the #1 trade commodity this year if things were normal. But they aren't normal and we don't even know what the playoff format is, or if there will be a playoff.
It may come down to the Maritime division just has a playoff and declares a winner (not Q Champion), but why would anybody make trades to get better to win that ? I would think that any trades made this year will just be minor trades to add depth ... no big ticket trades with multiple assets trading hands. So we'll probably lose Spence and Fortier with no opportunity to recover any assets before they go.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2020 14:05:36 GMT -4
In an ideal world we'd be looking to move Fortier and Spence to accelerate our rebuild, and a few others. What are the chances that anybody is even considering trades right now with the 2nd Wave upon us ? I could see Spence being the the #1 trade commodity this year if things were normal. But they aren't normal and we don't even know what the playoff format is, or if there will be a playoff. It may come down to the Maritime division just has a playoff and declares a winner (not Q Champion), but why would anybody make trades to get better to win that ? I would think that any trades made this year will just be minor trades to add depth ... no big ticket trades with multiple assets trading hands. So we'll probably lose Spence and Fortier with no opportunity to recover any assets before they go. At this point, it's up in the air...but there are about 9 weeks to the trade deadline, I think 95% of what happens in the trading period will depend on the path things go moving forward. If we get to a situation where all December games are played and fans are brought in in bigger numbers, then the trade period will be closER to a normal year, if there are lots of stops and starts in December then we may only see the top teams only make a couple of deals each and no huge blockbusters. The Cats may be in a situation where they decide if a 1st and a good young player for Spence is better than letting him finish the season. Fortier I think the plan is for AHL but depending on how the AHL works they could leave him in the q for the year and he would then be a pretty big chip. In an ideal world, things get much better in Quebec and they can move Spence Fortier and Dejong for a big return of 4 or 5 prime assets plus 2 or 3 secondary assets. |
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Post by Doublesnipers on Nov 3, 2020 19:05:00 GMT -4
I know that none of this was under anyone’s control but are we ever getting the biggest possible screw job ever, we had to pay out full value on our trades for a non playoffs and now we can’t even recoup the next rebuilding season assets to rebuild so this rebuild will be a decade..
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 5, 2020 9:16:18 GMT -4
In an ideal world we'd be looking to move Fortier and Spence to accelerate our rebuild, and a few others. What are the chances that anybody is even considering trades right now with the 2nd Wave upon us ? I could see Spence being the the #1 trade commodity this year if things were normal. But they aren't normal and we don't even know what the playoff format is, or if there will be a playoff. It may come down to the Maritime division just has a playoff and declares a winner (not Q Champion), but why would anybody make trades to get better to win that ? I would think that any trades made this year will just be minor trades to add depth ... no big ticket trades with multiple assets trading hands. So we'll probably lose Spence and Fortier with no opportunity to recover any assets before they go. At this point, it's up in the air...but there are about 9 weeks to the trade deadline, I think 95% of what happens in the trading period will depend on the path things go moving forward. If we get to a situation where all December games are played and fans are brought in in bigger numbers, then the trade period will be closER to a normal year, if there are lots of stops and starts in December then we may only see the top teams only make a couple of deals each and no huge blockbusters. The Cats may be in a situation where they decide if a 1st and a good young player for Spence is better than letting him finish the season. Fortier I think the plan is for AHL but depending on how the AHL works they could leave him in the q for the year and he would then be a pretty big chip. In an ideal world, things get much better in Quebec and they can move Spence Fortier and Dejong for a big return of 4 or 5 prime assets plus 2 or 3 secondary assets. A few things to also consider here. First thing the Quarantine thingy hanging over everyone’s heads here. To be frank I’m lazy and don’t know or want to look it up but do Quebec kids going back to Quebec have to quarantine? Because kids coming from Quebec to the Atlantic Bubble (Quebecer or Atlantic Canadian regardless) have too. So with that in mind the players maybe traded to Quebec are now less two weeks of playing time which could mean they miss at least 4 to maybe 6 games. So that would also lessen the value. Another thing that you did bring up already but theirs more to think of is what kind of playoff will there be? I know things change daily but logistically this just seems like a huge night mare. For example if it is just an Atlantic bubble play off what do they do have a big tournament? Or with 6 teams maybe the top two teams get bys and the other 4 play maybe a best of 5 or something and then go from there? If this is the case the Atlantic bubble other then maybe Charlottetown is a huge crap shoot. I’m personally surprised that SJ is doing as bad as they are. In saying that I’m very surprised about what Bathurst is doing and not sure if they will stay this pace. I will say that I think Spence might be the top defencemen available. I would have said if everything being normal Barron would be the top defencemen on the market. I think you will see Halifax just keep him because I doubt your going to see the usual prices. I hope you guys would be able to get more then this but with all the unknowns I think a 1st rounder and maybe a 2nd or 3rd might be all you get for Spence. Here’s another thing to think of though what will it look like next year? Meaning what will the AHL do or look like 2021/22 for Spence’s 20yo season? Maybe a team might get a year and half instead of half a season and a playoff. That could add some value but if he only a rental I don’t see there being big value in any of those players this year. And for that reason I see Cam keeping Barron. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 9:30:32 GMT -4
At this point, it's up in the air...but there are about 9 weeks to the trade deadline, I think 95% of what happens in the trading period will depend on the path things go moving forward. If we get to a situation where all December games are played and fans are brought in in bigger numbers, then the trade period will be closER to a normal year, if there are lots of stops and starts in December then we may only see the top teams only make a couple of deals each and no huge blockbusters. The Cats may be in a situation where they decide if a 1st and a good young player for Spence is better than letting him finish the season. Fortier I think the plan is for AHL but depending on how the AHL works they could leave him in the q for the year and he would then be a pretty big chip. In an ideal world, things get much better in Quebec and they can move Spence Fortier and Dejong for a big return of 4 or 5 prime assets plus 2 or 3 secondary assets. A few things to also consider here. First thing the Quarantine thingy hanging over everyone’s heads here. To be frank I’m lazy and don’t know or want to look it up but do Quebec kids going back to Quebec have to quarantine? Because kids coming from Quebec to the Atlantic Bubble (Quebecer or Atlantic Canadian regardless) have too. So with that in mind the players maybe traded to Quebec are now less two weeks of playing time which could mean they miss at least 4 to maybe 6 games. So that would also lessen the value. Another thing that you did bring up already but theirs more to think of is what kind of playoff will there be? I know things change daily but logistically this just seems like a huge night mare. For example if it is just an Atlantic bubble play off what do they do have a big tournament? Or with 6 teams maybe the top two teams get bys and the other 4 play maybe a best of 5 or something and then go from there? If this is the case the Atlantic bubble other then maybe Charlottetown is a huge crap shoot. I’m personally surprised that SJ is doing as bad as they are. In saying that I’m very surprised about what Bathurst is doing and not sure if they will stay this pace. I will say that I think Spence might be the top defencemen available. I would have said if everything being normal Barron would be the top defencemen on the market. I think you will see Halifax just keep him because I doubt your going to see the usual prices. I hope you guys would be able to get more then this but with all the unknowns I think a 1st rounder and maybe a 2nd or 3rd might be all you get for Spence. Here’s another thing to think of though what will it look like next year? Meaning what will the AHL do or look like 2021/22 for Spence’s 20yo season? Maybe a team might get a year and half instead of half a season and a playoff. That could add some value but if he only a rental I don’t see there being big value in any of those players this year. And for that reason I see Cam keeping Barron. I think kids going from the Maritimes to Quebec don't have to quarantine, but i could be wrong. The way I see the playoffs is the Maritimes crowing a winner and Quebec crowning a winner then having them play...or getting to 3 Quebec and 1 Maritime team and playing SF and Final. I don't think we will have a full blown vaccine in 5 months, but I think testing will get quicker and more accurate. This may help at playoff time. |
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 5, 2020 9:40:11 GMT -4
A few things to also consider here. First thing the Quarantine thingy hanging over everyone’s heads here. To be frank I’m lazy and don’t know or want to look it up but do Quebec kids going back to Quebec have to quarantine? Because kids coming from Quebec to the Atlantic Bubble (Quebecer or Atlantic Canadian regardless) have too. So with that in mind the players maybe traded to Quebec are now less two weeks of playing time which could mean they miss at least 4 to maybe 6 games. So that would also lessen the value. Another thing that you did bring up already but theirs more to think of is what kind of playoff will there be? I know things change daily but logistically this just seems like a huge night mare. For example if it is just an Atlantic bubble play off what do they do have a big tournament? Or with 6 teams maybe the top two teams get bys and the other 4 play maybe a best of 5 or something and then go from there? If this is the case the Atlantic bubble other then maybe Charlottetown is a huge crap shoot. I’m personally surprised that SJ is doing as bad as they are. In saying that I’m very surprised about what Bathurst is doing and not sure if they will stay this pace. I will say that I think Spence might be the top defencemen available. I would have said if everything being normal Barron would be the top defencemen on the market. I think you will see Halifax just keep him because I doubt your going to see the usual prices. I hope you guys would be able to get more then this but with all the unknowns I think a 1st rounder and maybe a 2nd or 3rd might be all you get for Spence. Here’s another thing to think of though what will it look like next year? Meaning what will the AHL do or look like 2021/22 for Spence’s 20yo season? Maybe a team might get a year and half instead of half a season and a playoff. That could add some value but if he only a rental I don’t see there being big value in any of those players this year. And for that reason I see Cam keeping Barron. I think kids going from the Maritimes to Quebec don't have to quarantine, but i could be wrong. The way I see the playoffs is the Maritimes crowing a winner and Quebec crowning a winner then having them play...or getting to 3 Quebec and 1 Maritime team and playing SF and Final. I don't think we will have a full blown vaccine in 5 months, but I think testing will get quicker and more accurate. This may help at playoff time. What about a playoff bubble? And this is 100% throwing shit at the wall but Halifax has two 4 pad rinks that could very well hold a complete playoff. With plenty of empty hotels and a bunch of bus’s just sitting. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Nov 5, 2020 9:55:49 GMT -4
A few things to also consider here. First thing the Quarantine thingy hanging over everyone’s heads here. To be frank I’m lazy and don’t know or want to look it up but do Quebec kids going back to Quebec have to quarantine? Because kids coming from Quebec to the Atlantic Bubble (Quebecer or Atlantic Canadian regardless) have too. So with that in mind the players maybe traded to Quebec are now less two weeks of playing time which could mean they miss at least 4 to maybe 6 games. So that would also lessen the value. Another thing that you did bring up already but theirs more to think of is what kind of playoff will there be? I know things change daily but logistically this just seems like a huge night mare. For example if it is just an Atlantic bubble play off what do they do have a big tournament? Or with 6 teams maybe the top two teams get bys and the other 4 play maybe a best of 5 or something and then go from there? If this is the case the Atlantic bubble other then maybe Charlottetown is a huge crap shoot. I’m personally surprised that SJ is doing as bad as they are. In saying that I’m very surprised about what Bathurst is doing and not sure if they will stay this pace. I will say that I think Spence might be the top defencemen available. I would have said if everything being normal Barron would be the top defencemen on the market. I think you will see Halifax just keep him because I doubt your going to see the usual prices. I hope you guys would be able to get more then this but with all the unknowns I think a 1st rounder and maybe a 2nd or 3rd might be all you get for Spence. Here’s another thing to think of though what will it look like next year? Meaning what will the AHL do or look like 2021/22 for Spence’s 20yo season? Maybe a team might get a year and half instead of half a season and a playoff. That could add some value but if he only a rental I don’t see there being big value in any of those players this year. And for that reason I see Cam keeping Barron. I think kids going from the Maritimes to Quebec don't have to quarantine, but i could be wrong. The way I see the playoffs is the Maritimes crowing a winner and Quebec crowning a winner then having them play...or getting to 3 Quebec and 1 Maritime team and playing SF and Final. I don't think we will have a full blown vaccine in 5 months, but I think testing will get quicker and more accurate. This may help at playoff time. Maritime players going to Quebec for training camp had to quarantine for 2 weeks so I'm assuming it would be the same case for the trade period. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 10:03:41 GMT -4
I think kids going from the Maritimes to Quebec don't have to quarantine, but i could be wrong. The way I see the playoffs is the Maritimes crowing a winner and Quebec crowning a winner then having them play...or getting to 3 Quebec and 1 Maritime team and playing SF and Final. I don't think we will have a full blown vaccine in 5 months, but I think testing will get quicker and more accurate. This may help at playoff time. Maritime players going to Quebec for training camp had to quarantine for 2 weeks so I'm assuming it would be the same case for the trade period. Ok thanks, I wasn't aware of that. I think the new rapid tests they are talking about which are quicker and more accurate could help in a playoff situation, as long as cost makes sense. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 10:04:37 GMT -4
I think kids going from the Maritimes to Quebec don't have to quarantine, but i could be wrong. The way I see the playoffs is the Maritimes crowing a winner and Quebec crowning a winner then having them play...or getting to 3 Quebec and 1 Maritime team and playing SF and Final. I don't think we will have a full blown vaccine in 5 months, but I think testing will get quicker and more accurate. This may help at playoff time. What about a playoff bubble? And this is 100% throwing shit at the wall but Halifax has two 4 pad rinks that could very well hold a complete playoff. With plenty of empty hotels and a bunch of bus’s just sitting. The issue with that is it would cost more and drop revenue, it works somewhat with pro sports because of TV revenue, but the Q has little of that. |
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Post by joehockey on Nov 5, 2020 10:10:03 GMT -4
I think kids going from the Maritimes to Quebec don't have to quarantine, but i could be wrong. The way I see the playoffs is the Maritimes crowing a winner and Quebec crowning a winner then having them play...or getting to 3 Quebec and 1 Maritime team and playing SF and Final. I don't think we will have a full blown vaccine in 5 months, but I think testing will get quicker and more accurate. This may help at playoff time. Maritime players going to Quebec for training camp had to quarantine for 2 weeks so I'm assuming it would be the same case for the trade period. I think it’s a league requirement and not a provincial requirement though so who maybe they alter it a bit for trades when it’s just one player joining instead of having 35 new players all coming together. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 5, 2020 17:55:15 GMT -4
What about a playoff bubble? And this is 100% throwing shit at the wall but Halifax has two 4 pad rinks that could very well hold a complete playoff. With plenty of empty hotels and a bunch of bus’s just sitting. The issue with that is it would cost more and drop revenue, it works somewhat with pro sports because of TV revenue, but the Q has little of that. Maybe TV could come on board if its the only hockey being played. Wondering why Sportsnet isn't jumping in and showing Q games now ... they had Happy Gilmore on last Friday night ... and then Curling. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 6, 2020 8:33:39 GMT -4
The issue with that is it would cost more and drop revenue, it works somewhat with pro sports because of TV revenue, but the Q has little of that. Maybe TV could come on board if its the only hockey being played. Wondering why Sportsnet isn't jumping in and showing Q games now ... they had Happy Gilmore on last Friday night ... and then Curling. Likely due to having to cross borders and getting a crew to the game. In the playoffs it's not realistic as the NHL season will be under way. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 7, 2020 7:19:29 GMT -4
Maybe TV could come on board if its the only hockey being played. Wondering why Sportsnet isn't jumping in and showing Q games now ... they had Happy Gilmore on last Friday night ... and then Curling. Likely due to having to cross borders and getting a crew to the game. In the playoffs it's not realistic as the NHL season will be under way. Nobody knows if there will be an NHL season. This is the only sure thing right now. Rogers has a crew that can show a game in Moncton, Saint John and Bathurst ... they could cut a deal with Eastlink to show NS and PEI games. It doesn't have to be the Sam Cosentino crew. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 7, 2020 16:56:12 GMT -4
Likely due to having to cross borders and getting a crew to the game. In the playoffs it's not realistic as the NHL season will be under way. Nobody knows if there will be an NHL season. This is the only sure thing right now. Rogers has a crew that can show a game in Moncton, Saint John and Bathurst ... they could cut a deal with Eastlink to show NS and PEI games. It doesn't have to be the Sam Cosentino crew. I'm not sure they would use the Rogers feed for Sportnet, it's not near the same level. I think they only want to do games if the can do it right. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 9, 2020 10:32:28 GMT -4
Nobody knows if there will be an NHL season. This is the only sure thing right now. Rogers has a crew that can show a game in Moncton, Saint John and Bathurst ... they could cut a deal with Eastlink to show NS and PEI games. It doesn't have to be the Sam Cosentino crew. I'm not sure they would use the Rogers feed for Sportnet, it's not near the same level. I think they only want to do games if the can do it right. And showing Happy Gilmore is doing it right ? So send the Crew into the Atlantic bubble and do their 14 days, and then start showing hockey on Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It may be all the hockey they have the opportunity to show this season. |
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