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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 20, 2020 13:09:29 GMT -4
I heard from a very reliable source that the staff member was a very high member of the organization who traveled outside the Atlantic bubble and did not self isolate this person was also with friends at numerous uptown establishments. He also would have been in direct connect with players and staff as well as outside hockey organizations. I dont think we will see hockey in sj for awhile. Also heard sj is going to the orange phase at midnight tonight Probably not best to speculate. There is a lot of misinformation out there - social media has made too many people comfortable with disrespecting people without consequences Agreed. People are too busy to pass along info whether it's true or not using some weird logic that IF it is true its better to know vs if it's wrong everyone wasting their time discussing bullshit. People on social media also have a hard time telling the difference between fact and opinion. Which is why so many alt-news sources are on the go now...people living in echo chambers crave what they want vs what reality is as we're clearly seeing south of the border. |
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Post by tim08 on Nov 20, 2020 13:27:11 GMT -4
No speculation here a friend of mine tested positive after a night out with Tg I dont crave attention I just believe that anyone who has come in contact with so many people should announce that he has tested positive so other persons can take necessary precautions
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 20, 2020 13:30:43 GMT -4
Probably not best to speculate. There is a lot of misinformation out there - social media has made too many people comfortable with disrespecting people without consequences I disagree. It seems to have become common knowledge in hockey circles who the person is (at least on other boards), and in all honesty, he should know better. He put his entire organization and possibly the entire Maritime Division as a whole in jeopardy with his carelessness and selfishness. JMO, but this person should step up, admit he made a mistake, and encourage others not to do the same. We have a good thing going in the Maritimes, and somebody just fukked up big time. Own it! Most, if not all, the cases coming in are people with exemptions to the 14 day isolation and a lot of them take advantage of any loophole they can. So it's entirely possible the person did nothing wrong and government policy and bureaucratic bullshit is to blame. Now why governments are allowing rich/influential people to basically shit all over the rules....there's the real conversation. There's no doubt someone fucked up. But I don't think we know if it was government policy or individual ineptness but if I had to wager I'd guess the person in question had their shit in order to not have to isolate as a condition of why they left and came back into the bubble. The overall point of social media being the catalyst to find the truth still stands as chaotic and the wrong way to go about things though in my opinion. People are way too quick to believe what they want vs what reality is. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 20, 2020 13:38:56 GMT -4
No speculation here a friend of mine tested positive after a night out with Tg I dont crave attention I just believe that anyone who has come in contact with so many people should announce that he has tested positive so other persons can take necessary precautions Proper contact tracing by medical officials will do that. This should be no different then anyone else getting it. People don't need to announce to the world when they're positive. They need to just tell the truth to the medical people who should be asking the proper questions. If we need a facebook post by someone for people who were near him to know about it then the system is already broken. |
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 20, 2020 13:39:48 GMT -4
Probably not best to speculate. There is a lot of misinformation out there - social media has made too many people comfortable with disrespecting people without consequences I disagree. It seems to have become common knowledge in hockey circles who the person is (at least on other boards), and in all honesty, he should know better. He put his entire organization and possibly the entire Maritime Division as a whole in jeopardy with his carelessness and selfishness. JMO, but this person should step up, admit he made a mistake, and encourage others not to do the same. We have a good thing going in the Maritimes, and somebody just fukked up big time. Own it! Pretty impressive how some of you can type while holding a torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other. A lot of people might correctly know who he is but there seems to be a ton of misinformation out there about how he got it. Why was he outside the Atlantic bubble? Why would someone as well known as him think he could break isolation in busy public places and expect to go undetected? He even had pictures on social media of him signing a new player. At the time it was the player people were concerned about being the one breaking isolation (as absurd as it was at the time, it suddenly seems reasonable in comparison). Not a mention of him travelling outside the bubble and not self-isolating then, but whatever. You seriously think that someone who has been ordered to self-isolate for 2 weeks is going to be posting pictures on social media pages with many followers, of him breaking isolation? How irrational can people be? |
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Post by iraca on Nov 20, 2020 13:55:41 GMT -4
You can do NOTHING wrong and still catch the virus. And until you know you have it why would you not be participating in all the normal activities??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 14:00:01 GMT -4
You can do NOTHING wrong and still catch the virus. And until you know you have it why would you not be participating in all the normal activities?? I'm going by the statement made that there was travel outside the bubble and no self-isolation on return. If that information is untrue, then I totally agree with your post. I try to be fair and honest in my posting, and if there was no outside travel, I will definitely retract and apologize. |
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 20, 2020 14:04:02 GMT -4
Pretty impressive how some of you can type while holding a torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other. A lot of people might correctly know who he is but there seems to be a ton of misinformation out there about how he got it. Why was he outside the Atlantic bubble? Why would someone as well known as him think he could break isolation in busy public places and expect to go undetected? He even had pictures on social media of him signing a new player. At the time it was the player people were concerned about being the one breaking isolation (as absurd as it was at the time, it suddenly seems reasonable in comparison). Not a mention of him travelling outside the bubble and not self-isolating then, but whatever. You seriously think that someone who has been ordered to self-isolate for 2 weeks is going to be posting pictures on social media pages with many followers, of him breaking isolation? How irrational can people be? I think that it will become well known around the league before long of who it was, what happened and why. I feel no need to name names. I think it is something that an individual should do when it becomes a public matter, if for no other reason than to admit that mistakes were made so that they won't be repeated, but that's only my opinion. Pretty impressive how some can type with a pillow in one hand and a wet noodle in the other. I think the only irrational people are the ones who are going to make excuses for what happened and even try to defend it. The guy just shut down his own team, and no matter how it happened, IMO, the next move needs to be to take steps to ensure that it doesn't happen again. It's always what you do next that becomes the most important decision. What is that step going to be? To take responsibility, or to try to cover it up? If there was a shred of evidence that a mistake was made on this individual's parts then you'd have a point. Otherwise you're no better than 17th century witch hunters. Literally NOBODY is making excuses for someone breaking quarantine. He should be held accountable if that were the case. What people are saying is that there is misinformation floating around out there about him being outside the Atlantic Bubble or that he was supposed to be self-isolating for some other reason. I just presented all kinds of reasons why that suggestion makes no sense. Do you have even the slightest reason to suggest that he should have been quarantining? I suppose he was at the dinner theatre that night too infecting all those people even though it was going on the same time as the Sea Dogs game? |
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 20, 2020 14:06:41 GMT -4
You can do NOTHING wrong and still catch the virus. And until you know you have it why would you not be participating in all the normal activities?? I'm going by the statement made that there was travel outside the bubble and no self-isolation on return. If that information is untrue, then I totally agree with your post. I try to be fair and honest in my posting, and if there was no outside travel, I will definitely retract and apologize. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. Good for you for owing your mistake of spreading false information without all the facts. Please make sure you take the necessary steps to make sure this mistake is not repeated. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 14:20:36 GMT -4
I'm going by the statement made that there was travel outside the bubble and no self-isolation on return. If that information is untrue, then I totally agree with your post. I try to be fair and honest in my posting, and if there was no outside travel, I will definitely retract and apologize. Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. Good for you for owing your mistake of spreading false information without all the facts. Please make sure you take the necessary steps to make sure this mistake is not repeated. No apology yet. Sorry for misleading you. I never claimed there was outside travel, but I did believe it. If it comes to the surface that there had been no outside travel over the past 14 days, then yes, I will most certainly apologize and retract. Not saying that anybody needs to provide me with proof, but I do think it might be wise for the person in question to step up and assure people that there had been no outside travel if there wasn't. It's just becoming too widespread not to stand up and straighten things out when it comes to somebody in such a central position. Again only my opinion, and much respect to the posters trying to keep a level head. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 20, 2020 14:26:04 GMT -4
I heard from a very reliable source that the staff member was a very high member of the organization who traveled outside the Atlantic bubble and did not self isolate this person was also with friends at numerous uptown establishments. He also would have been in direct connect with players and staff as well as outside hockey organizations. I dont think we will see hockey in sj for awhile. Also heard sj is going to the orange phase at midnight tonight Banned former posters who have a vendetta against a certain member of the organization is not a reliable source. |
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 20, 2020 14:34:22 GMT -4
Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned. Good for you for owing your mistake of spreading false information without all the facts. Please make sure you take the necessary steps to make sure this mistake is not repeated. No apology yet. Sorry for misleading you. I never claimed there was outside travel, but I did believe it. If it comes to the surface that there had been no outside travel over the past 14 days, then yes, I will most certainly apologize and retract. Not saying that anybody needs to provide me with proof, but I do think it might be wise for the person in question to step up and assure people that there had been no outside travel if there wasn't. It's just becoming too widespread not to stand up and straighten things out when it comes to somebody in such a central position. Again only my opinion, and much respect to the posters trying to keep a level head. Well at least you seem like you can be reasoned with unlike some people on here. At least you're acknowledging that you could be wrong. He shouldn't need to address baseless accusations that he may or may not even be aware of though. I wouldn't bother dignifying such things with a response. If he did, I guarantee that someone somewhere would question why he felt the need to address it if it wasn't true. This isn't the court of law but the court of public opinion so I'm fine with the threshold of proof being lowered. But even in the court of public opinion, people should be assumed innocent until there is at least some sort of verifiable evidence to the contrary. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 20, 2020 14:39:21 GMT -4
I’m not going to ridicule anyone who catches Covid, you can do everything by the book and still catch it. You can be reckless and never catch it. It doesn’t care what you do.
If you’ve received the proper exemption to leave the province and return, without having to self isolate, you’re not doing anything wrong and should be allowed to carry on with your life. Those are the rules that the government put into place, they’re simply abiding by them.
If you’ve done it without following the rules, then you deserve to be disciplined/punished for it. You shouldn’t however have your personal medical information blasted around or on display for everyone to see and you definitely don’t have to come out and acknowledge that you caught Covid. That’s a complete violation of your privacy and totally unnecessary.
The witch hunt though that people put out for people they feel “have violated the rules” is ridiculous though. You can really see how psychotic/generally uneducated people are when you see some of the comments on Facebook/Twitter or the comments of a news article when it comes to this. If they put half as much effort into doing something productive as they did bitching and moaning on those sites, we’d all be a hell of a lot better off.
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 20, 2020 14:41:13 GMT -4
I’m not going to ridicule anyone who catches Covid, you can do everything by the book and still catch it. You can be reckless and never catch it. It doesn’t care what you do. If you’ve received the proper exemption to leave the province and return, without having to self isolate, you’re not doing anything wrong and should be allowed to carry on with your life. Those are the rules that the government put into place, they’re simply abiding by them. If you’ve done it without following the rules, then you deserve to be disciplined/punished for it. You shouldn’t however have your personal medical information blasted around or on display for everyone to see and you definitely don’t have to come out and acknowledge that you caught Covid. That’s a complete violation of your privacy and totally unnecessary. The witch hunt though that people put out for people they feel “have violated the rules” is ridiculous though. You can really see how psychotic/generally uneducated people are when you see some of the comments on Facebook/Twitter or the comments of a news article when it comes to this. If they put half as much effort into doing something productive as they did bitching and moaning on those sites, we’d all be a hell of a lot better off. Post of the year in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 14:59:08 GMT -4
I’m not going to ridicule anyone who catches Covid, you can do everything by the book and still catch it. You can be reckless and never catch it. It doesn’t care what you do. If you’ve received the proper exemption to leave the province and return, without having to self isolate, you’re not doing anything wrong and should be allowed to carry on with your life. Those are the rules that the government put into place, they’re simply abiding by them. If you’ve done it without following the rules, then you deserve to be disciplined/punished for it. You shouldn’t however have your personal medical information blasted around or on display for everyone to see and you definitely don’t have to come out and acknowledge that you caught Covid. That’s a complete violation of your privacy and totally unnecessary. The witch hunt though that people put out for people they feel “have violated the rules” is ridiculous though. You can really see how psychotic/generally uneducated people are when you see some of the comments on Facebook/Twitter or the comments of a news article when it comes to this. If they put half as much effort into doing something productive as they did bitching and moaning on those sites, we’d all be a hell of a lot better off. I think that people love the game and hockey fans are well known as being the most intelligent, sane people in daily life, but get them in a rink or watching hockey, and they turn into a bunch of raving lunatics. Yes, I'll admit to being one. There are so many topics where the right thing is to wait until all the facts come out, if they come out, Wortman - George Floyd - Covid - OHL with no checking, but you decide to either step up and join the conversation, or you sit on your hands and read. I don't begrudge anybody from stating their opinions. Some people get a bit wound up, but so be it. I'm not on a witch hunt. I would never name a name when it comes to testing positive for Covid, but at some point, once it becomes obvious who the person is, there isn't much point in playing dumb, but it is still my preference not to name any names. I know better than to demand somebody to step up and either confirm or deny these sorts of rumours, but, yes, IMO, there does come a point where the right thing to do is for a central figure to step up and clarify whether there had been outside travel or not. None of us makes the rules, but I do think that when it comes to a Major Junior hockey team, that even if you have the OK not to self-isolate, that better judgement should enter the picture at some point. A truck driver, for example, might have exemptions to not have to self-isolate, but there needs to be common sense if you hope to complete a QMJHL season. I'm not a good Q Board poster. No matter what I say, it will likely come out the wrong way. Let me just exit the conversation by saying that I hope everything gets back to normal soon and the season continues. I really enjoy this board. I used to head the other way when it was all Trump - but you guys rock here these days. It's awesome! |
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