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Post by L'il Boy on May 17, 2022 10:52:46 GMT -4
Can they review that? I know they can in the NHL it was a penalty just shouldn't have been a Match IMO I'm not questioning if it was penalty or not...but whether it was a major or minor |
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Post by Naomi on May 17, 2022 11:25:56 GMT -4
Can they review that? I know they can in the NHL it was a penalty just shouldn't have been a Match IMO From where I sat it didn't even look like a penalty. It looked as if the Bathurst player leaned back expecting a hit and trying to lessen the blow, but Boyd just wasn't quite there and he lost his balance. He's ok too, I asked someone with Bathurst how he was feeling and he said he was sore but not injured. |
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Post by Score on May 17, 2022 12:23:44 GMT -4
As mentioned, definitely not a match.
IMO, it wasn't even a major penalty.
And as Bois mentioned, he sure is a important presence on the ice for this team.
Also, how about the play of Drew Elliot. Love that kids game.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 12:42:41 GMT -4
Observations:
Game 2 - May 16
Score: CI 5 AB 1
Index: CI 192; AB 171
Watching the games obviously provides you with what you see - which was dominance by a fantastic hockey team the Islanders have from top to bottom. They have clearly been the best team so far.
What analytics tell us with is what we don't see. I'm not trying to read too much into analytics because the final score is all that matters, but while its easy to lay claim that the Titan have been tired and dragging and not playing well - they've still put up an index of 170 or better in both games.
I think the Titan can play better - but if anything - the analytics seem to point to a good team being outclassed by a really - really good team. The Titan should be able to find a way to keep the scores closer until later in the game - but winning a game is going to take all the planets lining up from the looks of things so far.
SOG: CI 35; AB 34.
Scoring Chances (Home Plate): CI 16; AB 15.
Puck Battles Won: CI 74; AB 58.
That's a big difference - like the difference between one team with the lead having wings on their skates - and the other team looking ahead to Game 3 on home ice.
Hits: CI 25; AB 22.
That's a lot of hits. It points to the coaching staff of both teams telling their players it's the way to beat their opponents.
SBL: CI 10; AB 15.
Faceoff Wins: CI 34; AB 30.
O Zone Puck Possession: CI 10:23; AB 12:57.
This was a bit of a surprise, and the Titan also led in overall puck possession in all three zones by a similar margin. For the Islanders to turn that into a 5-1 win - it shows just how strong their team D is.
The Titan likely are struggling through injuries and playing tired - but they're all still out there playing their guts out. They want to win as badly as the Islanders - but its a formidable opponent. Some people will have us believe that hard work beats talent - and sometimes it does - but in all honesty - talent and hard work go hand in hand with good coaching. The Islanders are proving to be the best junior team I've seen all season when it counts the most.
Player Index CI: 252 Guay; 228 Budgell.
The 252 by Guay is the highest I've seen by a player all season. He can put the puck in the net as soon as it touches his stick before anybody else even moves - and he can also create a lot of offense with stick trickery. He's clever and shifty and his stamina and cardio are through the roof. He led all players with more than 25 minutes TOI. While many players seem to be getting worn down by the schedule - Guay and Budgell in particular almost seem to be distancing themselves from the pack.
Player Index AB: 194 Lapierre; 189 Belgarde.
In a 5-1 loss, those are numbers that would have been well over 200 had the team done better on the scoreboard. These two players have really been bringing it for the Titan. Belgarde has been their best all-around player.
TOI CI: D Cormier 24:23; F Guay 25:15 (Wow!).
TOI AB: D Tourigny 23:25; F Kidney 21:50.
One of the prominent misconceptions by the broadcast crews (and I watch both CHL TV and Eastlink) is that the Islanders and Jim Hulton roll four lines - and the broadcasters remind us of this several times a game - but the numbers show that they went almost entirely with three lines.
The Islanders bottom 4 forwards (9 to 12) show Elliott (10:32); Boyd (7 min.); Saye (6 min.) and Todd (4 min.). It isn't a big deal - but it is a false claim. They went with mostly 8 forwards in this game - and so they should.
I don't want to seem picky because the Q broadcasters are excellent - especially with our Maritime teams - but they don't seem to be very well prepared sometimes. It also might be me? Maybe Lapierre is pronounced Laperriere? Maybe Belgarde is pronounced Bel-grade. Maybe the league did cut Bennett MacArthur's regular season goal total from 42 to 32 - and one broadcaster told us no less than three times in the game that MacArthur scored 32 goals this season.
I could never be a broadcaster. I'd be by far the worst in history if I tried it - but at this level - those kind of mistakes shouldn't be happening in the 2nd round of the playoffs between Maritime rivals you play 10 times a year or more. Not meaning to bitch - just sayyin' - and I love the games. . . The guys overall do a fantastic job.
+/-: CI +3 Guay; AB Even x 6 players.
SOG: CI 6 Guay and Cormier; AB 7 Tourigny.
Dangerous Scoring Chances: CI 4 Guay; AB 3 LaFrance.
Faceoffs: CI 11/16 Brabenec; AB 15/24 Belgarde.
Hits: CI 4 Stairs and Elliott; AB 3 Tourigny, Huckins and Higgins.
SBL: CI 2 x 3 players; AB 3 Gaudet.
Takeaways: CI 10 Lapenna; AB 13 Larkin.
3 STARS:
1. Guay
2. Budgell
3. Zachary Roy
GAME RATING: ***1/2 - Nowhere close enough on the scoreboard for 5 stars.
REFEREE RATING: Starzomski and Langille: *****
They could have called twice as much - but they let them play. You could actually hear them sometimes yelling at the players - "keep the sticks down" and things like that. PP chances were 6-5, but a couple were overlapped. I don't really critique officiating - but we all take notice when one team has a significant advantage - or disadvantage. Good job!
ATTENDANCE RATING: **** - 2207
Gotta agree that Monday nights aren't the best to draw big with families and kids. It looked like a good and involved crowd.
BOTTOM LINE: The Titan are on the ropes and facing elimination. The best 3 of 5 playoffs are beginning to factor in where being down 2 games to 0 brings on a whole different meaning. There's little to no room for error. Taking a needless penalty in the O Zone can put you behind the 8 ball.
I still think the Titan will win a game or two - but it's going to take some doing.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 17, 2022 13:04:44 GMT -4
How we can only get 2200 fans is foolish. We shouldn’t have less then 3000 this time of year. Eastlink tv Eastlink is costing you 800-1000 fans? Time to cut that off if thats the case. Here in Sydney it always seemed like games on Eastlink in playoffs had zero effect on attendance. But thats definitely pre-pandemic, inflation, gas insanity, etc. I think when you weigh in cord cutters along with people who are with the competition (Bell here) and those using Satellite for TV the Eastlink TV crowd is a lot smaller then people think. 2200 for any 2nd round game is a terrible number in this region. But I think its just a decade long tumble the league has done by mostly getting in their own way while still solving zero problems the solutions were meant to solve. Cutting out Eastlink has to be considered if thats the actual #1 factor in your market keeping people at home, though. I've always been curious at what the teams get via that agreement...especially where its only 3 teams that are really effected by it. For the team you have i'd expect 3000 to be the regular playoff number. But a lot has changed in the last 3 years...and none of it in a good way. |
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Post by Score on May 17, 2022 13:19:29 GMT -4
Eastlink is costing you 800-1000 fans? Time to cut that off if thats the case. Here in Sydney it always seemed like games on Eastlink in playoffs had zero effect on attendance. But thats definitely pre-pandemic, inflation, gas insanity, etc. I think when you weigh in cord cutters along with people who are with the competition (Bell here) and those using Satellite for TV the Eastlink TV crowd is a lot smaller then people think. 2200 for any 2nd round game is a terrible number in this region. But I think its just a decade long tumble the league has done by mostly getting in their own way while still solving zero problems the solutions were meant to solve. Cutting out Eastlink has to be considered if thats the actual #1 factor in your market keeping people at home, though. I've always been curious at what the teams get via that agreement...especially where its only 3 teams that are really effected by it. For the team you have i'd expect 3000 to be the regular playoff number. But a lot has changed in the last 3 years...and none of it in a good way. I agree with you...and what Bois mentioned earlier in the thread...there are other factors as well. Just my opinion, the fact that the games are being shown on eastlink definitely doesn't help.....a great option for families/fans to relax at home and watch it on TV and in this day, save the $$ of going. |
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Post by mouse on May 18, 2022 16:43:52 GMT -4
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Post by dutchinc on May 18, 2022 17:11:39 GMT -4
What a joke. I don’t even know why it was a penalty to begin with. |
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Post by gottalovehockey on May 18, 2022 17:24:36 GMT -4
I always thought the league released a video to explain why a suspension was given?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 17:35:54 GMT -4
What a joke. I don’t even know why it was a penalty to begin with. JMO - but Biggar lost his footing trying to avoid getting hammered into the boards from behind. The referee honestly could not have a better vantage point. Lucky Biggar saw it coming and was able to minimize it from what it could have been. Posters need to understand that there is video / pics for every hit these days. You can't just cry that it was a joke - or no contact was made - or whatever - based on a broadcaster claiming that a player lost his footing. They don't suspend players for nothing. When video footage shows nothing - they overturn the suspensions. I don't know if boarding was the right call - but "dangerous hit" would have been. JMO. |
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Post by dutchinc on May 18, 2022 18:29:26 GMT -4
What a joke. I don’t even know why it was a penalty to begin with. JMO - but Biggar lost his footing trying to avoid getting hammered into the boards from behind. The referee honestly could not have a better vantage point. Lucky Biggar saw it coming and was able to minimize it from what it could have been. Posters need to understand that there is video / pics for every hit these days. You can't just cry that it was a joke - or no contact was made - or whatever - based on a broadcaster claiming that a player lost his footing. They don't suspend players for nothing. When video footage shows nothing - they overturn the suspensions. I don't know if boarding was the right call - but "dangerous hit" would have been. JMO. If he doesn’t lose his footing, would be no issue. He wasn’t tripped, hooked, cross checked into the boards, he tried to leverage the hit to slow himself and Boyd down…and lost his footing. So yes, a major and a 1 game is a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 20:35:29 GMT -4
JMO - but Biggar lost his footing trying to avoid getting hammered into the boards from behind. The referee honestly could not have a better vantage point. Lucky Biggar saw it coming and was able to minimize it from what it could have been. Posters need to understand that there is video / pics for every hit these days. You can't just cry that it was a joke - or no contact was made - or whatever - based on a broadcaster claiming that a player lost his footing. They don't suspend players for nothing. When video footage shows nothing - they overturn the suspensions. I don't know if boarding was the right call - but "dangerous hit" would have been. JMO. If he doesn’t lose his footing, would be no issue. He wasn’t tripped, hooked, cross checked into the boards, he tried to leverage the hit to slow himself and Boyd down…and lost his footing. So yes, a major and a 1 game is a joke. It isn't anything to argue about - it's opinion. I watched the vid over and over several times. Boyd actually has time to turn away before Biggar goes hard into the boards. The more times I watched it - the more convinced I became that Boyd was the root cause of the heavy spill into the boards. Whether it was a slight push or a nudge or a click of a skate - it looks clear from the pic that there was some kind of contact made. To me - that's enough to call a dangerous hit. Maybe boarding was the proper call - a foul causing a hard hit into the boards? That's just what I see - and I can understand if people see it the other way. If it was headed into Game 5 - I'd probably be lobbying for no suspension. I actually like Boyd and he'd be a good add for the Mooseheads next year. I see he doesn't mind dropping the gloves. George Matthews said about Boyd - "he's six-foot-three every time he steps on the ice." |
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Post by bois on May 19, 2022 6:15:34 GMT -4
Nothing surprises me in this league
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Post by gritty506 on May 19, 2022 7:21:20 GMT -4
I also watched the replay again and again. At first, I didn't think it was suspension material, but the more I watched it : Biggar was falling but Boyd pushed him in the back while he was falling. 1 game suspension is fair.
Rumors are that Biggar is out for some time...
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Post by bd on May 19, 2022 12:46:07 GMT -4
I also watched the replay again and again. At first, I didn't think it was suspension material, but the more I watched it : Biggar was falling but Boyd pushed him in the back while he was falling. 1 game suspension is fair. Rumors are that Biggar is out for some time... I think I read elsewhere that he was sore but nothing too bad? I guess time will tell but that would super unfortunate for him. |
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