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Post by countryboy on Jun 5, 2022 9:49:15 GMT -4
Most of our drafted assets have been moved for veteran players on this team….Aguilar, Ouellet, Goobie, Oliver.
Look at our deployment of late selections who are playing.
We draft among the best in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 10:05:45 GMT -4
Most of our drafted assets have been moved for veteran players on this team….Aguilar, Ouellet, Goobie, Oliver. Look at our deployment of late selections who are playing. We draft among the best in the league. Not meaning to step on toes - just meaning to say that Hulton has been working miracles as a GM. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Jun 5, 2022 10:13:58 GMT -4
I still think he's a better GM than a coach but he is also a helluva coach completely turned this franchise around after one initial rocky 1/2 year to start..... way to go Hultsy I totally agree with this because it's nothing short of a miracle how Jim Hulton could turn the team into a top contender several years in succession despite what has to be the most horrendous draft record in the league over the past three seasons.
The only players playing semi-regularly for them out of those drafts are 5th, 7th and 9th rounders (Todd - Boyd - Horth) from what I can see. Topilnyckyj and Brett Arsenault could be in the future plans - but we're talking a pretty small return from 41 draft picks over the past three seasons combined. I haven't looked at every team's draft record over the past three seasons - but I will be doing that in the near future - and I can't imagine finding any team that has done a worse job at identifying talent in the draft. That's brutal drafting - and sooner or later - it's going to show. They're not my team and no big deal about who they draft - but it's absolutely amazing the job Hulton has done as a GM. He has literally made chicken salad out of chicken feathers. That's amazing work as a GM - but now is likely the best time for Hulton to move on to the Pro ranks - IMO. I think he's an amazing coach AND GM and the draft record shows that he's been working some minor miracles. I call bullshit..... Sam Oliver (2nd rd 2020), Jacob Goobie, Angus Booth (4th 2020), Mathis Aguilar (4th 2020), Justin Gill (2nd 2019), Xavier Fortin (3rd 2018), Anthony Hamel (4th 2018) and Matis Ouelette (2nd 2021). With the exception of Booth, all played regularly for the Islanders, and continue to play regularly for their new teams. Patrick Leblanc (3rd 2018) is still a part of this team. That's not horrendous at all. Since 2017 draft, Hulton has drafted in the first round only once (Cormier 2018), and has gone to the final four 4 out of 5 seasons. Along with the aforementioned draft picks, he also drafted Budgell in the 2nd round in 2017, along with Drew Johnston in the 4th rd. I guess your opinion on what a "horrendous" draft is differs from mine.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 10:26:09 GMT -4
I totally agree with this because it's nothing short of a miracle how Jim Hulton could turn the team into a top contender several years in succession despite what has to be the most horrendous draft record in the league over the past three seasons.
The only players playing semi-regularly for them out of those drafts are 5th, 7th and 9th rounders (Todd - Boyd - Horth) from what I can see. Topilnyckyj and Brett Arsenault could be in the future plans - but we're talking a pretty small return from 41 draft picks over the past three seasons combined. I haven't looked at every team's draft record over the past three seasons - but I will be doing that in the near future - and I can't imagine finding any team that has done a worse job at identifying talent in the draft. That's brutal drafting - and sooner or later - it's going to show. They're not my team and no big deal about who they draft - but it's absolutely amazing the job Hulton has done as a GM. He has literally made chicken salad out of chicken feathers. That's amazing work as a GM - but now is likely the best time for Hulton to move on to the Pro ranks - IMO. I think he's an amazing coach AND GM and the draft record shows that he's been working some minor miracles. I call bullshit..... Sam Oliver (2nd rd 2020), Jacob Goobie, Angus Booth (4th 2020), Mathis Aguilar (4th 2020), Justin Gill (2nd 2019), Xavier Fortin (3rd 2018), Anthony Hamel (4th 2018) and Matis Ouelette (2nd 2021). With the exception of Booth, all played regularly for the Islanders, and continue to play regularly for their new teams. Patrick Leblanc (3rd 2018) is still a part of this team. That's not horrendous at all. Since 2017 draft, Hulton has drafted in the first round only once (Cormier 2018), and has gone to the final four 4 out of 5 seasons. Along with the aforementioned draft picks, he also drafted Budgell in the 2nd round in 2017, along with Drew Johnston in the 4th rd. I guess your opinion on what a "horrendous" draft is differs from mine.  Ya know what - I've been too nice here on this forum - trying not to ruffle any feathers - trying not to get banned again for a simple difference of opinion than one of the Admins - and that's just not me. I call bullshit myself. I can't imagine any team having a worse draft record over the past three seasons than the Islanders - and I'm willing to do the leg work - make out the spread sheets - and prove it. Over the past three seasons - they've had 41 picks - and they have Horth, Boyd (the most hyped 9 minute per game player in league history) - and depth player Todd to show for it. IMO - that's not great drafting. If that's amongst the best drafting in the league over the past three seasons - I guess I'm in for a real awakening. You guys sure are a homerish, big-feeling bunch for a team that's never won anything. . . I hope the Islanders win the President Cup because they are the only Maritime team in it - but the bullshit is starting to be laid on a bit thick. |
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Post by islander19 on Jun 5, 2022 10:31:27 GMT -4
Just because we don’t have the actual players to show for it now, doesn’t mean we haven’t drafted well. Eventually you move those players for the picks/players you need.
Hitting home runs late in the draft is huge, which we’ve done a couple times in Beauregard and Gallant to name a few.
In saying that, personally I think Hulton’s trades have been better than his drafts
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Post by switchback on Jun 5, 2022 10:36:30 GMT -4
Dig all you want I’m sure in the end you will see your wrong again.. some things you wrote on all boards is just plain stupid. Halifax has a good game “oh the moose may never lose again” SJ beats the moose playing a strong team oh the Sea dogs may never lose again blah blah blah.. and before I get bashed I know I know I’m not liked in these boards either it is what it is..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 10:40:33 GMT -4
Just because we don’t have the actual players to show for it now, doesn’t mean we haven’t drafted well. Eventually you move those players for the picks/players you need. Hitting home runs late in the draft is huge, which we’ve done a couple times in Beauregard and Gallant to name a few. In saying that, personally I think Hulton’s trades have been better than his drafts Now - those are two good players to draft late. I just figured I'd have a quick look this morning at our Maritime teams seeing who they have in the system - only went back three seasons - and was a bit shocked to see that the Islanders appear to have by far the least to show for it during that time. That - in turn - made me think what an amazing job that Hulton has done in turning that into a top contender for several years. I thought it was amazing and said so. It's only an opinion - not a fight. I like your way of defending the draft record rather than just a blanket claim of being amongst the best in the league. |
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Post by switchback on Jun 5, 2022 10:48:58 GMT -4
I think Horth in the end will be the best late round pick if the bunch
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Post by islander19 on Jun 5, 2022 11:02:57 GMT -4
You also can’t be a contender 5 years in a row, just using your draft picks. You have to sacrifice a lot to get the players you need…hence Cormier being the only first round pick in however many years
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 11:04:06 GMT -4
Dig all you want I’m sure in the end you will see your wrong again.. some things you wrote on all boards is just plain stupid. Halifax has a good game “oh the moose may never lose again” SJ beats the moose playing a strong team oh the Sea dogs may never lose again blah blah blah.. and before I get bashed I know I know I’m not liked in these boards either it is what it is.. Bud - if you can't tell the difference between a sense of humour post and a serious post - you know - maybe you're directing the term "plain stupid" in the wrong direction. . . Just sayyin'. . . Relax everybody. . . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 11:10:10 GMT -4
You also can’t be a contender 5 years in a row, just using your draft picks. You have to sacrifice a lot to get the players you need…hence Cormier being the only first round pick in however many years Just to be clear - I don't blame Hulton for anything as far as drafting. Teams have scouting staffs in place - and a good GM let's them do their thing. If the Islanders' fans and supporters are happy with their scouting staff - all the power to you. I didn't mean to start a war - only to say how great Hulton has been as a GM. I'm scared to go to Charlottetown now because you guys sound like you already have the tar and feathers waiting - Holey fukk!  |
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Post by Score on Jun 5, 2022 11:30:41 GMT -4
And so many top talents that can be moved either at the draft or mid-season to bring in quality high draft picks and quality high end talented young players as well
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Post by L'il Boy on Jun 5, 2022 11:57:50 GMT -4
I call bullshit..... Sam Oliver (2nd rd 2020), Jacob Goobie, Angus Booth (4th 2020), Mathis Aguilar (4th 2020), Justin Gill (2nd 2019), Xavier Fortin (3rd 2018), Anthony Hamel (4th 2018) and Matis Ouelette (2nd 2021). With the exception of Booth, all played regularly for the Islanders, and continue to play regularly for their new teams. Patrick Leblanc (3rd 2018) is still a part of this team. That's not horrendous at all. Since 2017 draft, Hulton has drafted in the first round only once (Cormier 2018), and has gone to the final four 4 out of 5 seasons. Along with the aforementioned draft picks, he also drafted Budgell in the 2nd round in 2017, along with Drew Johnston in the 4th rd. I guess your opinion on what a "horrendous" draft is differs from mine. Ya know what - I've been too nice here on this forum - trying not to ruffle any feathers - trying not to get banned again for a simple difference of opinion than one of the Admins - and that's just not me. I call bullshit myself. I can't imagine any team having a worse draft record over the past three seasons than the Islanders - and I'm willing to do the leg work - make out the spread sheets - and prove it. Over the past three seasons - they've had 41 picks - and they have Horth, Boyd (the most hyped 9 minute per game player in league history) - and depth player Todd to show for it. IMO - that's not great drafting. If that's amongst the best drafting in the league over the past three seasons - I guess I'm in for a real awakening. You guys sure are a homerish, big-feeling bunch for a team that's never won anything. . .I hope the Islanders win the President Cup because they are the only Maritime team in it - but the bullshit is starting to be laid on a bit thick. Because you copy and paste analytics from a website that you yourself admit that you don't even have an account to, you think you're all that and a bag of chips. You've personally attacked respected and knowledgeable posters on this board when they don't agree with you. You come across as some kind of know-it-all, posting shit like "I don't profess to be a scout, but...." or "I don't want to ruffle feathers, but......" You make statements as facts, without backing it up with any kind of evidence, and when someone calls you out, you make condescending remarks to, or about them, and become argumentative, all the while telling us, "I'm not arguing, but..." You're nothing more than another guy on a message board that thinks he knows knows more, or is smarter than, everyone else on these boards. Or, at the very least, you want to appear that way to the rest of us. So, please.....do your in-depth study into Hultons drafting. I personally can't wait to see it. I've already given you a start by listing some of our draft picks since 2017 in my previous post, all of whom are still playing in this league with the Islanders, or have been used in trades to gain veteran players that have brought this organization the the point where most people, except you, see it as one of the top organizations in the QMJHL. An organization, I might remind you, that has now been to the final four of this league 4 out of the last 5 years. Do you think that happens with horrendous drafting? Perhaps you think that the GM's we traded with in this league wanted the players we traded because they were no good? I stand by my post. The Islanders success doesn't happen if their drafting is "horrendous"
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Post by Naomi on Jun 5, 2022 14:23:10 GMT -4
Well then. Dunno how anyone could really argue against the results Hulton has given the team. He took the mentality Gordie brought the franchise and really built on it.
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