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Post by eagleeye on Dec 19, 2022 11:59:28 GMT -4
we need a future goalie which is hard to get , i know we have Satny but he's 20 next year
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 19, 2022 12:10:33 GMT -4
we need a future goalie which is hard to get , i know we have Satny but he's 20 next year I'd like to see us target a Euro goalie, or even consider keeping Satny for another year. I'm not sure now is the time to trade for one. I don't see an obvious option from our potential trading partners, it's still possible we get Cloutier(although I'm not holding my breath), and Labbé is having a very good year in U18 if the numbers are anything to go by.
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Post by mikeb on Dec 19, 2022 12:28:38 GMT -4
More to that story than what you are posting. He was a problem child that Moncton got rid of quickly and Sly thought Sly could be the guy to save the day. He was wrong. How much do you know about Anderson MacDonald/his situation? To define him as a problem child, is not really fair or accurate. Sticking to facts that are readily available, AM was a first round pick. After one year Sher. traded him at a discount to Monc. Moncton traded him one year later at a further discount with a provision added by Bathurst that if Bathurst gets rid of him, Moncton owes Bathurst compensation. After 60 something games in a year and a half, Bathurst tried to trade him. No takers. Saint John picks him up on waivers but they release him to. You stated it's not fair or accurate. Are my facts inaccurate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 12:46:56 GMT -4
we need a future goalie which is hard to get , i know we have Satny but he's 20 next year I'd like to see us target a Euro goalie, or even consider keeping Satny for another year. I'm not sure now is the time to trade for one. I don't see an obvious option from our potential trading partners, it's still possible we get Cloutier(although I'm not holding my breath), and Labbé is having a very good year in U18 if the numbers are anything to go by. I agree, I would stand pat with the current goalie situation, unless of course someone is willing pay a boat load for Satny, which is not likely to happen. Ruccia has been playing much better as of late, Saturday night I thought there were a couple he would want back, but in the same breath he made a few five bell'ers that kept the Eagles in it. The real decisions happen over the summer and the will include the Euro situation, both in net and out. It will also include another look at Cloutier and his plans as well as Labbe and his progression. Labbe ended up losing the final of the CCM Challange yesterday, 7 GA on 34 shots, but prior to that he had a great weekend and was a big reason Levis made it to the final.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 19, 2022 12:54:36 GMT -4
How much do you know about Anderson MacDonald/his situation? To define him as a problem child, is not really fair or accurate. Sticking to facts that are readily available, AM was a first round pick. After one year Sher. traded him at a discount to Monc. Moncton traded him one year later at a further discount with a provision added by Bathurst that if Bathurst gets rid of him, Moncton owes Bathurst compensation. After 60 something games in a year and a half, Bathurst tried to trade him. No takers. Saint John picks him up on waivers but they release him to. You stated it's not fair or accurate. Are my facts inaccurate. You can state the trades and him bouncing around teams but unless you actually know what went on with the player and the situation, your “fact” aren’t worth much. I know the situation, I know what went on, it’s not as simple as him being a “problem child” but you’re welcome to keep going with that narrative and people who actually know what happened, can go with the truth.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 19, 2022 12:56:05 GMT -4
More and more people are just sent mixed messages from management.
Buteau return was a fair one. 2 2nds is a good return but this was also a guy that lined up with our target to starting to contend when he'd be entering his overage season as what I expect would be a rather dependable and home grown and developed overager.
But as a rebuilding team I get the logic of lets cash out and add more picks.
Until you turn around and trade a 2nd and 3rd for a 19yr old. Now as a fan i'm not getting why you burn those good assets for an older player that should be a dependable vet but doesnt at all line up with the target years here.
This is just another example of this GM trading for the sake of trading and the end result being a net loss because it only hurts the future goal of becoming a stable organization that drafts and develops its own internal leaders.
I'm sure some will say "Buteau may have wanted out" and indeed he may have. Maybe Biggar will in 6 months when he realizes what his overage season may look like.
Words from ownership and management mean nothing if the actions are so confusing. Without more context these moves combine to make no sense for a terrible team trying to right itself.
Buying 19yr olds from 17th overall is pretty hard to justify where i'm sitting.
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Post by mikeb on Dec 19, 2022 13:06:33 GMT -4
More and more people are just sent mixed messages from management. Buteau return was a fair one. 2 2nds is a good return but this was also a guy that lined up with our target to starting to contend when he'd be entering his overage season as what I expect would be a rather dependable and home grown and developed overager. But as a rebuilding team I get the logic of lets cash out and add more picks. Until you turn around and trade a 2nd and 3rd for a 19yr old. Now as a fan i'm not getting why you burn those good assets for an older player that should be a dependable vet but doesnt at all line up with the target years here. This is just another example of this GM trading for the sake of trading and the end result being a net loss because it only hurts the future goal of becoming a stable organization that drafts and develops its own internal leaders. I'm sure some will say "Buteau may have wanted out" and indeed he may have. Maybe Biggar will in 6 months when he realizes what his overage season may look like. Words from ownership and management mean nothing if the actions are so confusing. Without more context these moves combine to make no sense for a terrible team trying to right itself. Buying 19yr olds from 17th overall is pretty hard to justify where i'm sitting. It's just Sly being Sly. It was a regular occurrence in Bathurst for years. It seemed like trades for the sake of making trades.
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Post by JEagle on Dec 19, 2022 13:18:38 GMT -4
Seen a rumour on the french board talking about the Eagles trading Thomas Desruisseaux to Chicoutimi not sure how much faith I'd put in it but still I hope it doesn't come true. There was talk saying it could be a 3 team trade with Loshko from CHI going somewhere. Drummondville supposedly. something about Drummondville's, Chicoutimi's and our cycle targeting different years Drummondville 23-24, us 24-25 and Chicoutimi 25-26.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 19, 2022 13:19:47 GMT -4
Two 2nds and a 5th is better than fair in my opinion. Gaining Biggar, a 2nd and a 5th at the expense of Buteau and a 3rd is a fairly sideways move. Biggar will probably be worth something next year too so there is more value there. It's not awe inspiring but it's not really contradictory either.
We have 10 picks in the first two rounds for the next two years. Moving one (plus a third) for a solid 1.5 year D man makes sense to me, especially when theres a good chance you recoup most of that if you want to move him.
Buteau was always leaving. I think he is someone who Goyens was alluding to. We have a promising D core but it is young and needs some steady hands. It makes sense to bring one in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 13:22:03 GMT -4
Buteau was on his way out, there was zero chance he was part of any future build in Cape, so getting the return they did was fantastic. Hoping he does well in RN.
Langlois is likely gone and rumors are a young D in return...just rumors but maybe some truth there.
Thurston /Shortall - are not a top pairing in Q. Personally, I would be sending Thurston back to BC and looking to upgrade there as well. Daigle/Lavoie - young and anything over 17-18mins a game is tough. Arnold/Pattengale - Arnold is still a project, Pattengale is likely on his way to Jr A or B.
How do you not sacrifice something for a guy like Bigger, knowing Buteau is gone and you are working a deal for Langlois?
Let's assume we do get a 17 for Langlois, we need some help on the backend don't we?
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 19, 2022 13:26:09 GMT -4
Buteau was on his way out, there was zero chance he was part of any future build in Cape, so getting the return they did was fantastic. Hoping he does well in RN. Langlois is likely gone and rumors are a young D in return...just rumors but maybe some truth there. Thurston /Shortall - are not a top pairing in Q. Personally, I would be sending Thurston back to BC and looking to upgrade there as well. Daigle/Lavoie - young and anything over 17-18mins a game is tough. Arnold/Pattengale - Arnold is still a project, Pattengale is likely on his way to Jr A or B. How do you not sacrifice something for a guy like Bigger, knowing Buteau is gone and you are working a deal for Langlois? Let's assume we do get a 17 for Langlois, we need some help on the backend don't we? Yeah, to me Biggar is less a replacement for Buteau and more a replacement for Langlois. I could still see an '04/'05 shutdown D coming in too. I agree with every word of this post except that I think Daigle is good enough to handle more minutes as long as he doesn't have to do it every night.
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 19, 2022 13:29:29 GMT -4
If the 3 way trade with Chicoutimi and Drummondville comes to fruition it’s likely something like this:
Drummondville adds Loshko, Langlois
CB adds Rotondi or Hinkley + picks
Chicoutimi gets picks, Euro from Drummondville
It’s very possible Langlois returns as an OA next year and Loshko returns as a 19 YO so drummondville gets value for both years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 13:31:06 GMT -4
Fair point on Daigle, just managing the minutes is the key, it's so much different with D-men. I feel Lavoie's current struggles are still part of the hangover he has from the 25+ mins a night he played for a stretch at the beginning of the year. Rotondi would be nice, M.O.Beaudry would be even nicer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 13:34:34 GMT -4
If the 3 way trade with Chicoutimi and Drummondville comes to fruition it’s likely something like this: Drummondville adds Loshko, Langlois CB adds Rotondi or Hinkley + picks Chicoutimi gets picks, Euro from Drummondville It’s very possible Langlois returns as an OA next year and Loshko returns as a 19 YO so drummondville gets value for both years. I think you are on point with the 3 teams and Loshko, but I think it could be M.O. Beaudry heading to Cape.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 19, 2022 13:39:20 GMT -4
Beaudry would be great. I have a feeling Hinkley ends up here one way or another though.
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