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Post by blueeagle on Dec 20, 2022 13:34:28 GMT -4
If Desruisseaux wants out, it not for the same reasons as Delafontaine. Desruisseaux was without question interviewed and asked if he would report at the same time he would have been fed the message of the rebuild, youth movement, development , etc..If he does want to leave now it has nothing to do the weather the food or the billet family. If we f*k this one up it's another scar we can't afford. I don't know if we can say for sure what it is or isn't about. The kid is 16 and living 12 hours from home in a place culturally on a different planet, with a new language. It's not impossible that it is truly personal. But I don't think the organization gets benefit of the doubt on that anymore. What is important is we don't get held hostage by agents or players or families or whatever. That it is different from Delafontaine is exactly my point - if he moves for a discounted price or for assets that don't fit our cycle, then that is just more awful mismanagement.
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Post by eagleeye on Dec 20, 2022 15:18:27 GMT -4
JMO maybe the coach don't like this hockey player Desruisseaux
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 15:35:54 GMT -4
JMO maybe the coach don't like this hockey player Desruisseaux Yes, that is certainly possible. But if so, it's even more reason to want out. The problem is, he was picked 13th overall, someone must have liked him at the time. I feel as though he hasn't really been given a chance to like or dislike unless there are things happening behind the scenes that we don't see on the ice.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 20, 2022 16:13:03 GMT -4
Yeah, I will be so bummed if he gets shipped before he even gets a chance up the lineup. Lavoie is getting 20+ mins a night. Shields gets top 6 minutes. I can't understand why Desruisseaux hasn't, unless eagleeye is on to something.
I went to 3 games in pre-season and he looked unreal (pre-season is diffrent I know), easily the best of our 3 1st rounders in those games. Especially when playing with Squires and Patterson. So I find it hard to believe he shouldn't get a some minutes up the lineup.
If he is going, I hope the reason he isn't getting minutes is because he doesn't want to be here, and not the other way around.
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Post by hal on Dec 20, 2022 17:12:44 GMT -4
Maybe just Maybe .................It is a Whole Lotta Nothing .
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 20, 2022 17:48:50 GMT -4
Maybe just Maybe .................It is a Whole Lotta Nothing . But we need something to talk about!!!!!! You're 100% right. I dunno how many of you read the French board but all this comes from this one post: "The rumor was not quite in Cape Breton but transaction at 3 and Loshko was leaving for And we received Thomas Desruisseau from Cap!! The rest not heard!!! But probably it will remain at the level of rumors!!" Other than that, the only mention of him is two folks arguing over whether he is soft, haha. We're making a mountain out of a molehill, you're right there Hal.
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Post by hal on Dec 20, 2022 18:29:13 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 10:18:50 GMT -4
Maybe just Maybe .................It is a Whole Lotta Nothing . But we need something to talk about!!!!!! You're 100% right. I dunno how many of you read the French board but all this comes from this one post: "The rumor was not quite in Cape Breton but transaction at 3 and Loshko was leaving for And we received Thomas Desruisseau from Cap!! The rest not heard!!! But probably it will remain at the level of rumors!!" Other than that, the only mention of him is two folks arguing over whether he is soft, haha. We're making a mountain out of a molehill, you're right there Hal. As we know, things can change on a dime around this league. I would not be surprised if a trade was requested, but that does not mean a trade will be granted. Quite possibly the kid/camp changed their mind after meeting with Sly and the Staff and re-establishing a plan for the 2nd half of the season. Sometimes the idle threat is the strategy to let management know you are not happy. In the same breath, the article Hal posted, once again talks about the importance of making the playoffs this year. Certainly doable, no question, but at what cost?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 21, 2022 10:35:55 GMT -4
But we need something to talk about!!!!!! You're 100% right. I dunno how many of you read the French board but all this comes from this one post: "The rumor was not quite in Cape Breton but transaction at 3 and Loshko was leaving for And we received Thomas Desruisseau from Cap!! The rest not heard!!! But probably it will remain at the level of rumors!!" Other than that, the only mention of him is two folks arguing over whether he is soft, haha. We're making a mountain out of a molehill, you're right there Hal. As we know, things can change on a dime around this league. I would not be surprised if a trade was requested, but that does not mean a trade will be granted. Quite possibly the kid/camp changed their mind after meeting with Sly and the Staff and re-establishing a plan for the 2nd half of the season. Sometimes the idle threat is the strategy to let management know you are not happy. In the same breath, the article Hal posted, once again talks about the importance of making the playoffs this year. Certainly doable, no question, but at what cost? We're at a point of complete speculation based on complete speculation with a speculated conversation made up and throw in for good measure. Is there anything to this beyond a random message board poster who discredits the discussion themselves in their same post? All this trade talk of a key building block who may have or may not have wanted out who may or may not have changed his mind after maybe or not meeting with management and maybe or not presenting an idle threat. It just seems silly to speculate literally an entire scenario with a meeting and demands and going back on past agreements based on what appears to be nothing. The only comment here worth a discussion is that "making the playoffs" is not an accomplishment in a league where 16 out of 18 get in. Rebuilding teams always want to make the playoffs. But there's also 20 years of talk on how much value it actually adds. You don't trade to make the playoffs in this league. You trade to surround your kids with good examples. A team full of 1 way players that makes the playoffs won't mean as much here as a team of strong leaders who might not make it but provide a better example to the kids we have. Personally i'd rather not get caught up in the "we want to make the playoffs" talk and look more at the revolving door of trades that so far havent really accomplished much in terms of setting the table for future seasons. Take away the assets Sly had coming in and he's been very underwhelming as a GM considering ALL the moves he makes. We're always moving out vets we brought in as a part of the culture change and for some reason we're getting older. And to this point moving out an 18 and moving in a 19 just adds more confusion to the entire fan base.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 21, 2022 17:35:22 GMT -4
JB I agree with you a lot of the time (and I've been reading this board much longer than I've been posting), but I don't even know where to start with this post.
I really think we should try not to let our complete lack of faith in how this organization has been run colour how we view Sly's work specifically. I think it's absurd to be criticizing his moves he made this summer when he hasn't even been in the job for 6 months. We have literally no idea how most of the moves he has made so far will pan out. The only one that I think you can already see was a waste was Bergeron, and we still might get compensation for that. He handled the Lawrence and Belgarde situations very well, and I think we are all pretty optimistic about his draft. And you keep mentioning the moving out and 18 for a 19. I can't see who in the fan base that confused except for yourself. 2x 2nd and a 5th is great for Buteau. Getting an '03 defenceman made perfect sense as Langlois is also leaving and we can't roll with no experience on the blue line next year. I don't find that move to be confusing in the least, like many other posters. Yeah, I'd prefer he wasn't quite so trigger happy, but you are making a mountain of a molehill in your last paragraph, which is ironic considering the first 3 paragraphs are calling us silly for doing exactly that.
And as for that part - we are on a hockey forum in a thread called "Eagles Roster Moves" at trade deadline. Yeah, there's probably not much in the Desruissault thing (although that poster has had info on the Sags before so it's not certain that he's wrong). But we speculate because we are bored and it is fun. I enjoy coming on here and discussing possible trades. If we removed all speculation, than this board would be a pretty boring place.
I like you JB, it's clear how much you care about this team, and anyone who has followed as long as you should absolutely be jaded and pissed off. I am too, with Shaw, with Carriere, a bit with Irwin. But not every single move needs to mean the sky is falling, that seems like a very tiring way of looking at it.
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 21, 2022 17:37:18 GMT -4
On Sly's playoff comment - that is an absolute nothing comment. It tells us nothing and is just designed to reassure fans. It should not cost this team anything at all to make the playoffs this year, our division is going to be a joke for the rest of the year. Saint John and Bathurst will have nothing left.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 21, 2022 18:21:11 GMT -4
The only thing with Biggar that I’d criticize is yes Cape Breton needs a veteran presence on the back end but you don’t have to pay a 2nd for a guy at 19 and 20 when you could probably spend less for that through 2 separate trades the next 2 years and got guys to fill those needs.
Biggar is a good defenceman IMO but at 19, he’s the type of guy a contender should be trying to acquire to play a 2nd pairing type role for a 2nd and 3rd, not a team at the bottom of the league. He doesn’t move the needle enough to give up those picks when you’re a bad team who needs to build up to be in a contender. Those are valuable picks at this point in the rebuild.
Squires left for a 6th, if that’s the return why not keep him to be a veteran instead of moving him? They traded down from 27 last year, got the 2nd they moved in the Biggar trade, a pick that turned into Waugh and a 4th. We’ll assume the 3rd’s wash themselves out, you turned pick 27 into 1.5 years of Biggar and a 4th round pick. When you’re a team at the bottom of the league. We’ll see if Bergeron gets moved and what you get back but you paid the 35th pick to acquire a 19 YO D from a contending team, when you’d think that’s the type of guy they’d want to keep in a year they want to win. That trade never really made sense. Arnold is only 17 but you give up a 3rd and a 6th for a guy picked in the 6th round the year before, does he look like a guy who’s worth a 3rd? I’m not so sure.
I think the Buteau trade was a good return but Sly has a history of trading picks/players like candy. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, he isn’t the guy I’d want leading a rebuild because of his history. He seems to be doing more of the same. That’s a problem when you’re no where near contending.
You should be using these assets to acquire prospects/players that help you build into a contender. Quite frankly trading them for veterans when you’re a bad team, is bad asset management and makes no sense. You’re either in for a rebuild or you’re not and it really doesn’t seem like they’re fully committed to it. I know you’ve been in it for a few years and it’s been fairly up and down but you can’t spend good assets to buy from the bottom with no real pay off for the valuable assets you’re giving up. I’d rather have the 16 YO kid who might actually turn into something productive for the team when you’re good or give you more ammunition to acquire pieces for when you’re good, instead of 19 YO D when you know the team is bad or project 17 YO’s that you acquired from your old team.
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Post by gocapebreton on Dec 21, 2022 21:24:47 GMT -4
The only thing with Biggar that I’d criticize is yes Cape Breton needs a veteran presence on the back end but you don’t have to pay a 2nd for a guy at 19 and 20 when you could probably spend less for that through 2 separate trades the next 2 years and got guys to fill those needs. Biggar is a good defenceman IMO but at 19, he’s the type of guy a contender should be trying to acquire to play a 2nd pairing type role for a 2nd and 3rd, not a team at the bottom of the league. He doesn’t move the needle enough to give up those picks when you’re a bad team who needs to build up to be in a contender. Those are valuable picks at this point in the rebuild. Squires left for a 6th, if that’s the return why not keep him to be a veteran instead of moving him? They traded down from 27 last year, got the 2nd they moved in the Biggar trade, a pick that turned into Waugh and a 4th. We’ll assume the 3rd’s wash themselves out, you turned pick 27 into 1.5 years of Biggar and a 4th round pick. When you’re a team at the bottom of the league. We’ll see if Bergeron gets moved and what you get back but you paid the 35th pick to acquire a 19 YO D from a contending team, when you’d think that’s the type of guy they’d want to keep in a year they want to win. That trade never really made sense. Arnold is only 17 but you give up a 3rd and a 6th for a guy picked in the 6th round the year before, does he look like a guy who’s worth a 3rd? I’m not so sure. I think the Buteau trade was a good return but Sly has a history of trading picks/players like candy. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, he isn’t the guy I’d want leading a rebuild because of his history. He seems to be doing more of the same. That’s a problem when you’re no where near contending. You should be using these assets to acquire prospects/players that help you build into a contender. Quite frankly trading them for veterans when you’re a bad team, is bad asset management and makes no sense. You’re either in for a rebuild or you’re not and it really doesn’t seem like they’re fully committed to it. I know you’ve been in it for a few years and it’s been fairly up and down but you can’t spend good assets to buy from the bottom with no real pay off for the valuable assets you’re giving up. I’d rather have the 16 YO kid who might actually turn into something productive for the team when you’re good or give you more ammunition to acquire pieces for when you’re good, instead of 19 YO D when you know the team is bad or project 17 YO’s that you acquired from your old team. I do agree that it is hard to justify a cellar dwelling rebuilding team giving up a mid second round pick, and 3rd, for a 19y/o. That said, it will be interesting what return they get for Langlois, assuming he is moved, to justify bringing in another 19y/o at this cost. The net gain would have to be a 1st, meaning they get a 1st plus a prospect of a mid 2nd and deep 3rd value. Otherwise, moving Langlois to only add Biggar makes no sense. No doubt this club wants to finish at least 6th in the division to have a reasonable chance of winning a round in the playoffs. From a business point, I'm sure they are feeling that pressure.
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Post by JEagle on Dec 21, 2022 21:37:59 GMT -4
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is the Eagles current draft picks in the first five rounds this season and next after the Buteau and Biggar trades.
2023 Round 1 Round 2 - Drummondville Round 2 - Saint John Round 2 - Victoriaville Round 4 - Quebec Round 4 - Sherbrooke Round 5 - Rouyn-Noranda
2024 Round 1 Round 1 - Blainville-Boisbriand Round 1 - Saint John Round 2 Round 2 - Blainville-Boisbriand Round 3 - Saint John Round 4 Round 4 - Moncton Round 5 - Charlottetown Round 5 - Val-d'Or
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 21, 2022 22:10:03 GMT -4
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. This is the Eagles current draft picks in the first five rounds this season and next after the Buteau and Biggar trades. 2023 Round 1 Round 2 - Drummondville Round 2 - Saint John Round 2 - Victoriaville Round 4 - Quebec Round 4 - Sherbrooke Round 5 - Rouyn-Noranda 2024 Round 1 Round 1 - Blainville-Boisbriand Round 1 - Saint John Round 2 Round 2 - Blainville-Boisbriand Round 3 - Saint John Round 4 Round 4 - Moncton Round 5 - Charlottetown Round 5 - Val-d'Or They still have lots but just because you have lots, doesn’t mean you need to spend them on 19 YO D when you’re a bottom dweller.
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