Looking forward to 2023-2024 and 2024-25

[Jack Bauer]

Oct 28, 2024 8:59:21 GMT -4 countryboy said:

Is this clear as mud? I'm not sure why the movement of picks in this league has to be such a zoo.

Because the league put in measures to handcuff big markets (cap on player transfers and what you can spend on Europeans and Americans, can't trade Euro draft picks for Q draft picks) the draft picks in the Q draft became the only currency you can use outside of roster players to do any trading.

So that means the picks values increased a bit and teams became willing to trade very far down the road in order to put the finishing pieces on veteran teams.

Empty buildings don't even stop this practice. You'd think that just common sense wise you'd see certain markets come out and vocally oppose this and take a stance against it and see if it generates some support within their own fan base.

Big market teams going cycles between winning a round in the playoffs is definitely worse for the league than Halifax or Quebec bringing in the best kid from Germany or Switzerland to play in the Q.

[WhiteTyAffair]

Oct 28, 2024 8:59:21 GMT -4 countryboy said:

Oct 25, 2024 16:58:57 GMT -4 passthesalt said:

It appears Moncton picked up Steen from Charlottetown for a 2025 11th rounder

I posted this on the Charlottetown board yesterday.... to try to get to the bottom of this Steen and a pick to Moncton trade for a lower value pick. If any Moncton posters can remember anything from the draft or shed some insight, please do.

The deal is as follows:

To Moncton:

Steen
Moncton's 8th round pick in 2025

To Charlottetown:

Moncton's 11th round pick in 2025

We are returning a pick that originally belonged to Moncton to them. I'm not sure why Steen gets thrown in the deal and we get Moncton's 11th round pick back.

How did we get the Moncton 8th in 2025? At the draft we traded our 2024 7th round selection to Moncton for their 2024 7th round selection and the Moncton 2025 8th round selection. Basically we traded down in the 2024 draft and picked up an extra 8th in 2025, which has now been exchanged to be an 11th in 2025

Now.... I'll add more confusion to the mix. When looking at the 2024 draft, it looks like the Charlottetown 7th in 2024, which belonged to us and we traded to Moncton on the draft floor, eventually was used by Sherbrooke to draft Florent Houle... but there's no record on the QMJHL site of how that pick eventually made it's way to Sherbrooke. The Moncton 7th round pick in 2024, which we'd traded for on the draft floor... it somehow made it's way back to Moncton's hands and they used the selection to choose Loic Nasreddine, but like the Charlottetown 2024 7th, there's no record of the Moncton 2024 7th going back to them.

That's about as much research that I want to do on this.

So, to summarize.....

On paper we dealt down in the draft by shipping our 7th to Moncton for their 7th and a 2024 8th. But Moncton did not actually use the pick.... it was made by Sherbrooke. The pick we were supposed to pick up in the transaction, was actually used by Moncton, the team that traded it to us. Then the extra 2025 8th we were supposed to be picking up is now being shipped back to Moncton, but we do pick up a 2025 11th in the exchange. Moncton also picks up an overage defencemen who is supposed to be hurt and maybe considering not playing hockey this year....but he also would have been released by us and could have been picked up for free by anyone.

Is this clear as mud? I'm not sure why the movement of picks in this league has to be such a zoo.

I dug around and got a little more information regarding the deal. 

Apparently, there is a league rule that prevents two 20 year old free agents from Ontario (both playing their 1st year in the Q) to suit up for the same team. 

When Charlottetown signed Thomas Sirman last week, it made Maddox Steen ineligible to play for the Islanders. He was traded to Moncton who were able to take him on as an over-ager since Steinman is in his 3rd year. He was immediately dropped from the Wildcats protected list. 

For doing Moncton a solid, Charlottetown gave the Wildcats an 8th round pick. 

[countryboy]

Interesting.... very obscure rule.

Thanks for sharing.

Oct 30, 2024 10:02:09 GMT -4 WhiteTyAffair said:

Oct 28, 2024 8:59:21 GMT -4 countryboy said:

I posted this on the Charlottetown board yesterday.... to try to get to the bottom of this Steen and a pick to Moncton trade for a lower value pick. If any Moncton posters can remember anything from the draft or shed some insight, please do.

The deal is as follows:

To Moncton:

Steen
Moncton's 8th round pick in 2025

To Charlottetown:

Moncton's 11th round pick in 2025

We are returning a pick that originally belonged to Moncton to them. I'm not sure why Steen gets thrown in the deal and we get Moncton's 11th round pick back.

How did we get the Moncton 8th in 2025? At the draft we traded our 2024 7th round selection to Moncton for their 2024 7th round selection and the Moncton 2025 8th round selection. Basically we traded down in the 2024 draft and picked up an extra 8th in 2025, which has now been exchanged to be an 11th in 2025

Now.... I'll add more confusion to the mix. When looking at the 2024 draft, it looks like the Charlottetown 7th in 2024, which belonged to us and we traded to Moncton on the draft floor, eventually was used by Sherbrooke to draft Florent Houle... but there's no record on the QMJHL site of how that pick eventually made it's way to Sherbrooke. The Moncton 7th round pick in 2024, which we'd traded for on the draft floor... it somehow made it's way back to Moncton's hands and they used the selection to choose Loic Nasreddine, but like the Charlottetown 2024 7th, there's no record of the Moncton 2024 7th going back to them.

That's about as much research that I want to do on this.

So, to summarize.....

On paper we dealt down in the draft by shipping our 7th to Moncton for their 7th and a 2024 8th. But Moncton did not actually use the pick.... it was made by Sherbrooke. The pick we were supposed to pick up in the transaction, was actually used by Moncton, the team that traded it to us. Then the extra 2025 8th we were supposed to be picking up is now being shipped back to Moncton, but we do pick up a 2025 11th in the exchange. Moncton also picks up an overage defencemen who is supposed to be hurt and maybe considering not playing hockey this year....but he also would have been released by us and could have been picked up for free by anyone.

Is this clear as mud? I'm not sure why the movement of picks in this league has to be such a zoo.

I dug around and got a little more information regarding the deal. 

Apparently, there is a league rule that prevents two 20 year old free agents from Ontario (both playing their 1st year in the Q) to suit up for the same team. 

When Charlottetown signed Thomas Sirman last week, it made Maddox Steen ineligible to play for the Islanders. He was traded to Moncton who were able to take him on as an over-ager since Steinman is in his 3rd year. He was immediately dropped from the Wildcats protected list. 

For doing Moncton a solid, Charlottetown gave the Wildcats an 8th round pick.