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Post by bois on Mar 15, 2024 10:09:30 GMT -4
Do you have an example that happened in the QMJHL? Just wondering? I am in no way saying you are wrong, just asking. Travis Fullerton was released by Lewiston for getting a DUI during training camp in 2006. Jonathan Laberge was given a 7 day suspension and 200 hours of community service by Saint John in 2006. Adam Marsh got multiple duis during his time in the q I also know of one this year that was kept quiet alrhough the player was suspended for a time from playing but being under adult age his name was kept out of papers and he did return to play
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Post by itstime on Mar 15, 2024 10:11:17 GMT -4
Do you have an example that happened in the QMJHL? Just wondering? I am in no way saying you are wrong, just asking. Travis Fullerton was released by Lewiston for getting a DUI during training camp in 2006. Jonathan Laberge was given a 7 day suspension and 200 hours of community service by Saint John in 2006. LOL, what is a 7 day suspension. Released from camp because of a DUI when you are a 14th rounder? Still played in the Q for 3 years. I am no way justifying the crime. I feel for the kid, I dont know him but if it was me I know today would be a tough day for him. He will learn from it.
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Post by Smiley on Mar 15, 2024 10:13:19 GMT -4
And the court system will drag the process on so his jailtime will be after hockey is done and before camp starts for columbus next year He could have issues crossing the border however once hes officially charged and found guilty Americans can’t cross into Canada with a DUI conviction but Canadians can cross into the states with a DUI. And where there wasn’t any victim involved and Dumais has no record, he’s not going to jail. He’ll get a licence suspension and probation. That’ll be it. That applies to any of us. This isn’t completely true. He isn’t entering in as a tourist. He needs to get a work visa. Those applications have questions such as “have you ever been convicted of a crime.” DUI, can fall under that, especially if it’s more severe than the standard. I am sure his agents are working to ensure this is lower level.
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Post by bois on Mar 15, 2024 10:14:05 GMT -4
Not true he 100% will be going to jail if convicted unless of course he was tossed in there the night he was convicted and gets the minumum senrence Aggravating circumstances such as his actual readings how cooperative he was etc will factor in He won't go to jail for this. He will be penalized after pleading guilty but likely just with some probation and community service stuff and he may even get the charge wiped from his record for completing that. He'll plead and get a light sentence is my prediction even with the high bac rating. Definitely no jail time. Nova Scotia must have lesser punishment than PEI then… only way he avoids jailtime is if sleazeball lawyer finds some loop ie policeman made administrative error Drinking and driving today is not the same as it was years ago… u get caught your goin to jail getting fined out the yahoo getting your car impounded for at least a month losing your license for a year and getting a nice convenient blowbox installed which costs a bundle as well
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 15, 2024 10:18:10 GMT -4
Its not strong enough based on the strength of other suspensions for the exact same thing. Do you have an example that happened in the QMJHL? Just wondering? I am in no way saying you are wrong, just asking. As you can see people are posting not only the public ones but the ones hockey culture has allowed to not be made public even during this very season. The thing with a culture that hides shit during this internet age of everything being available....that hidden stuff disappears pretty quickly as time passes. Especially in leagues like this with such a short career span for a player. Reporters interest goes quiet as time passes and there's less value to the story. We are supposed to believe that reporters in Columbus Ohio knew more about this then those in Halifax. Those local cops who had people talking for a week didn't qualify as sources that any local reporter could run with? Is Saltwire not about to go under as a media enterprise? Maybe if their reporters were allowed to report the news they wouldn't be having these financial woes. The "system" some of has have talked about that didn't exist when the Q first got to the Maritimes was in full swing here. The teams, the leagues, the local police, and the media all were co-operating in some way with each other.
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Post by lirette on Mar 15, 2024 10:22:11 GMT -4
Don't interpret this IN ANY WAY as an excuse for his behaviour, but: this last 3 months cannot have been easy for him - hockey is his entire life and he hasn't played a single game since the WJHC quarterfinals. “I am not making excuses, but here are some excuses for the player” I don't think people are understanding that something like this goes beyond hockey. There are several studies but a recent one in Canada had 1 in 6 people who get a DUI will get charged with another one within the next 10 years. Part of what they need to do here is make the punishment enough that he will never do this again. In a few months he'll be off on his own and be in the pro hockey world with a whole different set of responsibilities. There is 2 important elements about handling this 1. The team responsibility to be role models and leaders within the community 2. Taking care of and doing right by the player I'm not sure they've done right with either here.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 15, 2024 10:23:28 GMT -4
He won't go to jail for this. He will be penalized after pleading guilty but likely just with some probation and community service stuff and he may even get the charge wiped from his record for completing that. He'll plead and get a light sentence is my prediction even with the high bac rating. Definitely no jail time. Nova Scotia must have lesser punishment than PEI then… only way he avoids jailtime is if sleazeball lawyer finds some loop ie policeman made administrative error Drinking and driving today is not the same as it was years ago… u get caught your goin to jail getting fined out the yahoo getting your car impounded for at least a month losing your license for a year and getting a nice convenient blowbox installed which costs a bundle as well Take a look at this: www.criminalcodehelp.ca/offences/impaired-driving-by-province/impaired-driving-nova-scotia/This is more in line with what I hear as penalties for this stuff. People would be shocked at how lenient we are for first time offenders of almost anything here in NS. The idea of having a DUI mechanism in your vehicle only comes after multiple (like 3+) convictions here. And the cost is so high that only rich people can really afford to do it. Somewhat high profile: www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/former-mla-fined-drunk-driving-hugh-wilson-mackay-1.6756281$1000 fine and 1 year license ban for the guilty plea. And there was damage in this case.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 15, 2024 10:45:44 GMT -4
So - last year, a guy I know loses his license in Alberta for DUI. He comes back to NS and goes in and gets a valid NS license and is good to go while he's banned for years in Alberta. That's just insane to be possible in this country - but it's the way it is in NS. People have no idea how that can work to their advantage. None of these "provincial services" are intertwined. I got my license in my early 20's in NS. Had to go through that graduate drivers program and get the N off my license so I could drive unrestricted 24 hours per day. A few of my buddies just didn't get their license in NS. Went to work in Alberta. Got the license there. When they moved back to NS their licenses didn't have any restrictions on them. Now this was 20 years ago but still...just another indication of how we're over governed and over taxed in NS.
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Post by fabi1309 on Mar 15, 2024 10:58:30 GMT -4
Not that it matters but anyone notice how he apparently got pulled over like 500ft from the police station (around 2000 Brunswick St) - didn’t choose the best route….
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Post by itstime on Mar 15, 2024 11:16:51 GMT -4
Not that it matters but anyone notice how he apparently got pulled over like 500ft from the police station (around 2000 Brunswick St) - didn’t choose the best route…. I would say he made a lot of poor decisions that night.
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Post by catnut on Mar 15, 2024 11:18:07 GMT -4
He won't go to jail for this. He will be penalized after pleading guilty but likely just with some probation and community service stuff and he may even get the charge wiped from his record for completing that. He'll plead and get a light sentence is my prediction even with the high bac rating. Definitely no jail time. Nova Scotia must have lesser punishment than PEI then… only way he avoids jailtime is if sleazeball lawyer finds some loop ie policeman made administrative error Drinking and driving today is not the same as it was years ago… u get caught your goin to jail getting fined out the yahoo getting your car impounded for at least a month losing your license for a year and getting a nice convenient blowbox installed which costs a bundle as well From someone I know who exercised a complete loss of judgement recently enough and got caught twice in New Brunswick. First offense was one year suspended license and a big fine. 2nd time was 30 days in jail and 3 years suspension + huge fine + alcohol detector for 3 years in the car. That person realised she had a drinking problem and quit drinking completely 5 years ago right after the 2nd DUI. Good thing no one was physically hurt.
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Post by catnut on Mar 15, 2024 11:19:42 GMT -4
Remparts captain Simon Courcelles crashed his car in January 2006 with another person seated beside him. Fortunately, they weren't injured seriously but his blood alcohol level was twice over the limit. He wasn't suspended by the league or the team. He was acquitted three years later on technicalities. His lawyer argued that he couldn't have been drunk after drinking only 6 Coors Light and witnesses said he didn't look impaired when he got out of the car. Just saying... these were different times! What they both did is wrong and should have led to consequences for Courcelles but it never did. Hopefully justice does work with Dumais. Things have changed since then and there is so much more awareness and consequences about drinking and driving now.
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Post by artvandelay on Mar 15, 2024 16:45:21 GMT -4
So - last year, a guy I know loses his license in Alberta for DUI. He comes back to NS and goes in and gets a valid NS license and is good to go while he's banned for years in Alberta. That's just insane to be possible in this country - but it's the way it is in NS. People have no idea how that can work to their advantage. None of these "provincial services" are intertwined. I got my license in my early 20's in NS. Had to go through that graduate drivers program and get the N off my license so I could drive unrestricted 24 hours per day. A few of my buddies just didn't get their license in NS. Went to work in Alberta. Got the license there. When they moved back to NS their licenses didn't have any restrictions on them. Now this was 20 years ago but still...just another indication of how we're over governed and over taxed in NS. Can confirm that still happens much more recently than 20 years ago. Had the N on my license here, moved to Alberta and got a driver's license there with no restrictions, moved back to NS and my license has no restrictions because my Alberta license didn't have any. Always thought someone made an error somewhere but I obviously didn't complain. Maybe that's just the way it works even tho it makes no sense.
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Post by Herd Fan on Mar 15, 2024 16:58:18 GMT -4
I cant say I even feel bad for the guy. He made a poor decision and will now have to live with consequences. I feel bad for the rest of the players who have to live with this distraction probably right through the entire playoffs. Not fair at all to the rest of them.
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Post by Score on Mar 15, 2024 17:02:12 GMT -4
A personal story;
I'll say that I personally had a DUI.
I was over the limit. It's black and white.
I was giving a $1,500 fine and a weekend in jail. Friday evening at 6pm until Monday morning at 6am.
I had my license suspended for 12 months.....with the option to regain my license at the 6 month mark with the breathalyzer in my car for the remainder 6 months.......which I did.
Definitely ashamed of my actions.......but it was just the start of some downfalls in my life.
A few years later, after a hard time, i once again made the mistake of driving while impaired.
I had a single vehicle accident and I was once again over the limit.
For my 2nd offense, i was once again charged with a large fine.....and 40 days in jail which I did on weekends as I was a Single Father. I lost my license for 1year.....then I has to have a breathalyzer in my car for two years......which was very very expensive.....but as a single parent, I needed my vehicle.
I am now 6 years sober.
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