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Post by dc00704 on Sept 8, 2024 15:45:31 GMT -4
not good either
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Post by SjRinkSideRebel on Sept 8, 2024 15:52:33 GMT -4
Not going there today. But if this keeps up.. coaching will be short lived. Something has got to give. I know its preseason.. and early on but hoping this is not a trend.. I'm speechless.
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Post by Briwhel on Sept 8, 2024 16:12:43 GMT -4
Not going there today. But if this keeps up.. coaching will be short lived. Something has got to give. I know its preseason.. and early on but hoping this is not a trend.. I'm speechless. Insisting that the right shots have to play rw is stupid.
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Post by dc00704 on Sept 8, 2024 16:23:08 GMT -4
Not good either, yikes
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Post by j3e4 on Sept 8, 2024 17:33:36 GMT -4
I think the problem has more to do with the GM than the coach. Stella seemed to do better work as an assistant GM than as a full time GM. Some of his moves have made sense but I think he got rid of 1 or 2 too many guys that can actually score.
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Post by qfan24 on Sept 9, 2024 8:09:23 GMT -4
I think the problem has more to do with the GM than the coach. Stella seemed to do better work as an assistant GM than as a full time GM. Some of his moves have made sense but I think he got rid of 1 or 2 too many guys that can actually score. I think Stella made the proper selection of players based on a rebuild. Now, it is the coaching staff responsibility to make it work. They definitely need to work on structure as many players seem to forget that it'a team effort. It is rough on players moral to get beat like that, coaching staff has to step up.
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Post by Briwhel on Sept 9, 2024 8:52:56 GMT -4
There are a couple of issues here that are being highlighted over and over again.
Beaulieu, Cross, and Ferdinand should all have been on a line together (or at least 2 of 3). Putting them all on separate lines meant that 3 of SJ's 4 lines were being harmed by construction. This isn't new, as SJ did the same thing last year with Beaulieu and Laforge.
There is a disconnect between the roles that players on this team are capable of playing and the roles that they are being given. If the right guys were on the 4th line together, it could be a lot of fun to watch. When one of those guys is playing with top 6 forwards and dumps the puck in on a 2 on 1 in the middle of his shift, it is not.
This is where a Will Allen cut gets difficult. Regardless of what he would have cost or anything else, he at least showed a skillset where he could play in the top 9 and contribute something offensively. We cut him to make more room for guys who did not show that skillset. I'm sure that there are specific reasons behind it (effort in the defensive end is likely one of them), but taking inferior players because they work hard does not make for a better team.
And because of what management had lined up for returning players, it feels like they didn't really want to put much effort into trades/free agents to compete for roster spots because they were spoken for in their minds.
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Post by davo1997 on Sept 9, 2024 10:15:35 GMT -4
How have Rozzi and Yared looked?
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Post by Briwhel on Sept 9, 2024 10:30:48 GMT -4
How have Rozzi and Yared looked? I really enjoyed their game. Their line with Peddle was easily SJ's best line. They are 16, so there will be growing pains, but their effort level is especially noticeable.
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Post by dogshockeyfan on Sept 9, 2024 10:31:35 GMT -4
I think Cross played fairly well. Miller looked ready to go. But I agree some of the other players should have been on lower lines. The stupid penalties never help win a game. Is there still cuts to be made? If so who we thinking?
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Post by Briwhel on Sept 9, 2024 10:39:47 GMT -4
I think Cross played fairly well. Miller looked ready to go. But I agree some of the other players should have been on lower lines. The stupid penalties never help win a game. Is there still cuts to be made? If so who we thinking? The issue with Cross isn't that he didn't play well (or did). It is that he doesn't belong on a line with Schenk and Miller. If they were playing with one of Reynolds or Groulx, the line would have been a lot better. I don't think SJ has cuts left. There are only 24 players (Ianniello left) with 13 forwards and 9D (but there is obviously an injury to Bilodeau).
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Post by SjRinkSideRebel on Sept 9, 2024 11:08:33 GMT -4
I think Cross played fairly well. Miller looked ready to go. But I agree some of the other players should have been on lower lines. The stupid penalties never help win a game. Is there still cuts to be made? If so who we thinking? The issue with Cross isn't that he didn't play well (or did). It is that he doesn't belong on a line with Schenk and Miller. If they were playing with one of Reynolds or Groulx, the line would have been a lot better. I don't think SJ has cuts left. There are only 24 players (Ianniello left) with 13 forwards and 9D (but there is obviously an injury to Bilodeau).
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Post by SjRinkSideRebel on Sept 9, 2024 11:30:07 GMT -4
The issue with Cross isn't that he didn't play well (or did). It is that he doesn't belong on a line with Schenk and Miller. If they were playing with one of Reynolds or Groulx, the line would have been a lot better. I don't think SJ has cuts left. There are only 24 players (Ianniello left) with 13 forwards and 9D (but there is obviously an injury to Bilodeau). I believe SJ has a lot of work ahead. They've added some key players, but the team’s direction and identity still seem uncertain, which is understandable at the start of the season. My concern is that if we approach this season without an effective forecheck or a more aggressive defensive play, we’re in for trouble. We don’t need to be overly physical on the forecheck, but we do need to disrupt the play. Too often, I see players hesitate or pull up before finishing their check, which lets the opposing team to flow more freely and execute their systems. To be fair to the coaching staff, the systems are not in place yet. However, two major issues from last season remain: we allowed over 50 shots against in many games, and our forecheck was virtually non-existent on a consistent bases except for a few players. Allowing 50-plus shots a game, combined with our goaltending numbers, leads to around 4.5 to 5.5 goals against per game. Last season, we averaged 2.7 goals per game while allowing 4.3. If we don’t add more scoring, the only way to win is by cutting down on shots against and chipping away offensively with a stronger forecheck. We don’t have two or three top league scorers to carry the team. There are still many unknowns, but statistically speaking, there are clear problems that need to be addressed before we can even think about fine-tuning other aspects. We need to focus on the fundamentals. The system i see working for our group is built on aggressive forechecking, quick transitions, and tight gap control. We have to emphasize pressuring the puck carrier early in all zones, forcing turnovers, and minimizing time and space for opponents to make plays. Our defensemen have to maintain strong gap control by staying close to attackers, using speed and positioning to limit offensive options, while our forwards support by cutting off passing lanes and forcing the play to the outside. A structured, fast-paced approach will add more controlled possession and limit high-quality scoring chances against. (we can't eliminate all shots, but we need below 30 shots against per game) We can score 3 to 4 goals a game if we forecheck consistently, but can we tighten up the defense (and backcheck) to allow only 30 shots against maximum? Statistically it's the only way to win games right now. Curious what others think of what they seen last year, and the outlook so far this season (based on only preseason games which is not a definitive outlook for the season by any means)
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Post by davo1997 on Sept 9, 2024 11:43:05 GMT -4
How have Rozzi and Yared looked? I really enjoyed their game. Their line with Peddle was easily SJ's best line. They are 16, so there will be growing pains, but their effort level is especially noticeable. Yea they are still young they will need to work on things for sure.I think these two will be weapons for SJ in the future.
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Post by SjRinkSideRebel on Sept 9, 2024 11:51:26 GMT -4
How have Rozzi and Yared looked? I really enjoyed their game. Their line with Peddle was easily SJ's best line. They are 16, so there will be growing pains, but their effort level is especially noticeable. Yared can skate well. He attacks players consistently and if he can add a little physicality to the forecheck he will be a well tooled weapon going forward. Rozzi , you can tell has offensive ability's but is getting use to the new surroundings and speed of the league. He is in the right places, and if he can get his shot off quicker, he is going to start scoring some goals. If paired with a veteran player that can forecheck and cause turnovers, I see this as a line that will surprise once they get settled in and comfortable on the ice. Young players, but a lot of potential if developed correctly.
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